Aliexpress/Banggood Batteries. Worth the Risk?

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Nev wrote:
I wouldn’t buy from merica.
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about 2 weeks back i saw that someone on Reddit was saying they received fake Samsung 30q button tops from banggood. he posted this picture and a picture of his batteries showing they weren’t real. is the picture accurate? im asking because 18650s sell at 3x the price here in mexico so i asked a friend ,from states, 3 weeks ago to buy some for me from banggood since they were only 15$ for 4 button tops. my friend is coming next week.

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Well, if this ‘first line, second character should be zero (to be considered as genuine), then this 30Q I got from BG (albeit years ago when lilos are freely shipped world-wide) is a sample of my other several genuine 30Qs I got from them.

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Sirstinky wrote:
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I used Moochs’ guides …

I see a lot of content from this person, but I didn’t see any guides. Where should I be looking?

DIY LT1 battery wrap image. "PDF on Google Drive":https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IHIEOi1NXu868IYNCzIM7D2Ulpxchmww

Fresh Sanyo NCR18650GAs already wrapped "for sale HERE":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/69120 if you like.

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Number22Pencil wrote:
about 2 weeks back i saw that someone on Reddit was saying they received fake Samsung 30q button tops from banggood. he posted this picture and a picture of his batteries showing they weren’t real. is the picture accurate? im asking because 18650s sell at 3x the price here in mexico so i asked a friend ,from states, 3 weeks ago to buy some for me from banggood since they were only 15$ for 4 button tops. my friend is coming next week.

!{width:100%}https://i.imgur.com/uU2ICRR.jpg!

I can confirm purchasing Samsung 30Q 18650’s from Banggood, @ June 2019 that are fakes. They’re not too happy refunding either so i’ve filed a dispute via Paypal.
Buy only from reputable dealers would be my advice.

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amishbill wrote:
Sirstinky wrote:
…. I used Moochs’ guides …
I see a lot of content from this person, but I didn’t see any guides. Where should I be looking?

https://www.facebook.com/batterymooch/

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Beanie wrote:
I can confirm purchasing Samsung 30Q 18650’s from Banggood, @ June 2019 that are fakes. They’re not too happy refunding either so i’ve filed a dispute via Paypal. Buy only from reputable dealers would be my advice.

Flat top or button top?

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Beanie wrote:
I can confirm purchasing Samsung 30Q 18650’s from Banggood, @ June 2019 that are fakes. They’re not too happy refunding either so i’ve filed a dispute via Paypal. Buy only from reputable dealers would be my advice.

Flat top or button top?


They’re capable of selling fakes of both types.
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A while back I wanted the cheapest but still new cells I could find, ‘cause when selling a light, no one wants to pay an additional 5-10bux for one cell. So I got some “genuine LiitoKala” (pffft) cells trussed up like panny-Bs for like 3bux a pop. Flattops.

They were probably rewrapped commodity cells like LiShens, but they were all pretty much to-spec as far as capacity, they’d be going into low-stress lights, so would be fine. I was and am perfectly okay with that, as I knew what I was getting, and the price “fit”.

Now… if you want real 30Qs, or VTC5s/-5As/-6es, or HG2s, NOW we got a problem if they’re fake, as that’s outright fraud, like selling a Bolex watch for the price of a Rolex.

The problem is proving that you got fake name-brand cells, as a 3-leaf clover vs 4-leaf clover on the button, crappy welds vs good welds, leading-‘0’ stenciled on there or not… neither the seller, nor AX/BG/whoever, nor PayPal, nor credit-card company, would want to hear it. No one there is going to do research to see if it’s true, or if you’re just pulling it out your ass to try to make a fake claim and get free batteries. “You got battery, it hold voltage, it good!” Claim denied.

So, caveat emptor, cave canem, all that Latin wisdom.

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Lightbringer wrote:
… So I got some "genuine LiitoKala" (pffft) cells trussed up like panny-Bs for like 3bux a pop. Flattops.

I got a LietoKala panny-B disguised cell together with a Lii-100 charger a few months ago. After some testing, cell spot weld disassembly, investigation and a couple questions to vapcell Dennis, I came to the conclusion the rewrapped cell is a BAK 18650-34T:

 

 

At ≈42mΩ DC internal resistance and more than 3300mAh of capacity the figures are comparable to Sanyo NCR18650GA ones. So very good cell.

 

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Lightbringer wrote:
A while back I wanted the cheapest but still new cells I could find, ‘cause when selling a light, no one wants to pay an additional 5-10bux for one cell. So I got some “genuine LiitoKala” (pffft) cells trussed up like panny-Bs for like 3bux a pop. Flattops.

They were probably rewrapped commodity cells like LiShens, but they were all pretty much to-spec as far as capacity, they’d be going into low-stress lights, so would be fine. I was and am perfectly okay with that, as I knew what I was getting, and the price “fit”.

Now… if you want real 30Qs, or VTC5s/-5As/-6es, or HG2s, NOW we got a problem if they’re fake, as that’s outright fraud, like selling a Bolex watch for the price of a Rolex.

The problem is proving that you got fake name-brand cells, as a 3-leaf clover vs 4-leaf clover on the button, crappy welds vs good welds, leading-‘0’ stenciled on there or not… neither the seller, nor AX/BG/whoever, nor PayPal, nor credit-card company, would want to hear it. No one there is going to do research to see if it’s true, or if you’re just pulling it out your ass to try to make a fake claim and get free batteries. “You got battery, it hold voltage, it good!” Claim denied.

So, caveat emptor, cave canem, all that Latin wisdom.

I think the consensus here is just that. Don’t pay $3.50 for a “Samsung 30Q” and expect to get a Samsung 30Q. You’ll probably get a factory reject at best or a knock-off with a forged wrapper or a steel can with a AAA or capacitor and some sand inside at the worst.

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I had great experience with these 2 sites
https://www.illumn.com/
https://www.orbtronic.com/
This is a new site selling out of Canada
https://18650canada.com/

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Sirstinky wrote:

I think the consensus here is just that. Don't pay $3.50 for a "Samsung 30Q" and expect to get a Samsung 30Q. …

Why not? If you know how and where, it may be possible. Or at least close. €3.75 a pop at NKON, and €3.39/piece if you buy at least 10. Samsung has great pricing and 30Q cells have been in production for quite a bit already. Shipping excluded, of course. 

 

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Barkuti wrote:
≈42mΩ DC internal resistance and more than 3300mAh of capacity the figures are comparable to Sanyo NCR18650GA ones. So very good cell.

Kewl. Was just gonna ax ya if they’d be any good, then caught that.

Now, who sells “genuine BAKs”? LOL

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Barkuti wrote:

Sirstinky wrote:

I think the consensus here is just that. Don’t pay $3.50 for a “Samsung 30Q” and expect to get a Samsung 30Q. …

Why not? If you know how and where, it may be possible. Or at least close. €3.75 a pop at NKON, and €3.39/piece if you buy at least 10. Samsung has great pricing and 30Q cells have been in production for quite a bit already. Shipping excluded, of course. 


 


That’s true and good point that you can find screaming deals out there, but for buying stateside you’re not going to find real 30qs for under $5 US.

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Lightbringer wrote:

Now, who sells "genuine BAKs"? LOL

That is what really stinks in all of this. There is a bunch of not so well known li-ion cell OEMs which mostly remain in secrecy before our eyes. Let me remember to all of you fellows, the fact we are buying li-ion cells in their original wraps is a sort of grey market thing. This is because li-ion cells are industrial products, not consumer grade. They are meant for knowledgeable and responsible staff, not for @%$€$ (guess what Wink word is that). This mostly means that if you get hurt with the stuff, the modus operandi is clean your poopie and get along.

I would love to buy cells in their original wraps, while also having easy access to their OEM datasheets. Really. 

 

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Sirstinky wrote:
That’s true and good point that you can find screaming deals out there, but for buying stateside you’re not going to find real 30qs for under $5 US.

Illumn has them on right now for $4.99 US. Add the BLF discount, and it brings them down to $4.74 US each. A lot of places have similar prices. It’s getting them under $4 where I’d get suspicious.

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hodor wrote:
Beanie wrote:
I can confirm purchasing Samsung 30Q 18650’s from Banggood, @ June 2019 that are fakes. They’re not too happy refunding either so i’ve filed a dispute via Paypal. Buy only from reputable dealers would be my advice.

Flat top or button top?


They were the button tops
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That’s true and good point that you can find screaming deals out there, but for buying stateside you’re not going to find real 30qs for under $5 US.

Illumn has them on right now for $4.99 US. Add the BLF discount, and it brings them down to $4.74 US each. A lot of places have similar prices. It’s getting them under $4 where I’d get suspicious.

I checked those out. Not a bad deal. I think I’ll stick with the eBay seller. He ships free and gives good discounts to on bulk orders. For single cells the prices are a little higher than illum. I would avoid any seller that tries to sell “genuine” high discharge batteries for $4.00. You are guaranteed to get counterfeits or duds.

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In case anyone is wondering here is where I buy batteries from https://www.m.ebay.com/seller?sid=vapah.inc&_trksid=p2349624.m3561.l7859

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Sirstinky wrote:
In case anyone is wondering here is where I buy batteries from https://www.m.ebay.com/seller?sid=vapah.inc&_trksid=p2349624.m3561.l7859

Did you mean https://www.ebay.com/str/vapahnet?

 

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Barkuti wrote:

Sirstinky wrote:
In case anyone is wondering here is where I buy batteries from https://www.m.ebay.com/seller?sid=vapah.inc&_trksid=p2349624.m3561.l7859

Did you mean https://www.ebay.com/str/vapahnet?


 


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YES, and NO!

I have found a few good sellers on all these Chinese based platforms; Alibaba, AliExpress, Banggood, eBay etc…
Unfortunately I have a bad story to share – this was two purchases on AliExpress.

The companies were; Shenzhen Foxell Technologies Co., Ltd run by Kevin Lee and Shenzhen Foxelion batteries Company Store run by Kevin Lee – this should have been the first sign, two companies, one name.

I purchased 100 × 66160 lithium titanate cells marked as GTK 40ah – these later tested out to be 27ah, and through identification of serial numbers that had been covered up – were found to be used c-grade YinLong cells. YinLong confirmed this for me. A $7,000 disaster that the seller washed their hands of.

The other was a bait-and-switch were I was sold “equivalent” cells after not having stock of what I ordered. These were 160 × 12.5am LTO pouch cells marked with Microvast serial numbers. Testing came out to 10amps – and 65 failed on their first use. I contacted Microvast with the serial numbers and was told these cells should not be for sale. They were faulty and due for recycling, not selling! Another $3,500 this same seller washed their hands of.

To date, I have found another seller with quality cells – but am still trying to recover my money through AliExpress with not much luck! DO NOT BUY FROM THIS SELLER!!!nd also note, GTK are re-wrapped cells, not new and original! Buyer beware – or donate $10,000 to me so I can feel happy again Sad

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I’ve only bought 1 set of batteries from AE , 4× 18650, back in late January , still not got them

I got a refund I think

They still didn’t arrive now

I think once you find a good dealer in AE then maybe it’s good

But for me I only buy batteries from akkukauppa in finland , ok they are 1 euro more but they come to me in 3 days as I’m in finland and akkukappa is in finland

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Thank you for sharing, you saved me lots of money.
I was also going to get from these places long cylindrical lifepo4 cells.
But will reconsider the idea. will need to use 26650 that I can source in my country.

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Unfortunately I have a bad story to share – this was two purchases on AliExpress.

The companies were; Shenzhen Foxell Technologies Co., Ltd run by Kevin Lee and Shenzhen Foxelion batteries Company Store run by Kevin Lee – this should have been the first sign, two companies, one name.

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Everyone shares his/her own story, his/her own experience. But where ones fail, others succeed. It's all in how one chooses to believe.

I am always successful with my battery purchases in AliExpress, or wherever. Caution and wisdom are your friends.

Please avoid fully quoting lenghty posts, namely with nested quotes. Trim quotes down to the essential. Helps with neatness and legibility. Thanks.

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Viruses DON'T cause diseases, they rather are a consequence of them. Read the book “Béchamp or Pasteur” by Ethel Hume for more information.

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Yes indeed.

Same thing as experience buying anything else.
Scam artists, financial pyramid charlatans often survive on ‘plausible deniability’ argument. Meaning that they made happy at least ’10%’ or so of their clients, that will advertise/support their claim.
So the 90% that had bad experience, will meet the wall of ‘plausible deniability’ reinforced by the 10%.

Then the above, of course, totally inverted for good businesses… where 10% of the unhappy, yet very vocal customers,
will create an impression that the 90% are not happy.. And good business will suffer, and value buyers such as us, loose alternatives.

Barkuti wrote:

Everyone shares his/her own story, his/her own experience. But where ones fail, others succeed. It’s all in how one chooses to believe.


I am always successful with my battery purchases in AliExpress, or wherever. Caution and wisdom are your friends.

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DavidEF wrote:
I’ve never gotten anything but real genuine name-brand cells when buying from Banggood. I look for a listing with the manufacturer name, not a re-wrapper. So far, I’ve bought Samsung and Panasonic cells with no problem. I trust Banggood.

I’ve heard from some members here that real genuine name-brand cells can be found on AliExpress. But, more often I see complaints about yet another scammer selling fakes. I wouldn’t ever buy cells from AliExpress. Some of our favorite Chinese flashlight manufacturers are on AliExpress. That’s all I’d trust the site for.

These days, I only buy cells from within the USA. Mostly from LIION Wholesale but also IMR Batteries and Mountain Electronics. There are others, but I haven’t bought from any of them.


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I second your comment, my experience too. Wink
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Barristered wrote:
Personally, having suffered a DOA flashlight from Banggood, I would never ever buy from them again. I could not get through to LiveChat the day the flashlight arrived so I binned the exterior plastic wrapping. Apparently they do not accept rerturns without it. If the CEO was within reachable range I would give him a petrol shampoo to go with his cigar.

Not saying Banggood was only one at fault but… In good practice one NEVER disposes of packaging of a product if it was DOA even local venders wont take back products without packaging.

I’ve bought many many far to many lights from banggood and not one of them have been “plastic wrapped” either…. just saying.

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Returning stuff to China? It’s crazy expensive (no seller will pay for shipping returns on AE) since if you do you want full insurance on it. $30 shipping to get back $100 from a DOA item? Chinese sellers mostly they offer a refund (full or partial) in return for not sending it back and keeping you from griping, but even then it usually falls on dead ears. I am very leery of buying on AE and Banggood for that reason. Ebay is much better since you have eBay buyer protection (which works great), but selection is not as good for flashlights.

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I purchase my cells at https://www.18650batterystore.com/default.asp. There here in the USA and shipping is fast. I just ordered two 30T cells for 14 dollars and change with shipping and had my cells in 4 days. At 4.99 a cell and 4.81 for shipping, it works for me Big Smile

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