Convoy 17/22 mm SST40 Driver temperature protection removal

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I might do a runtime test of my S11 w SST40 that I’ve taken to 7.2A…

Cant wait, will do mine once resistors arrive.

Already removed NTC.

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I left the NTC on…. it gets pretty hot at 7.2…..

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I left the NTC on…. it gets pretty hot at 7.2…..

 

Also did S2+ M3 M21A M21B.

I’ll risk it, much improvement in output?

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300-400lm I think – I’m basing it off this:

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/58900

My lumen tube isn’t quite ready Sad

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I gained around 300 lumen with an R050 on the SST40.

The FT03 is still brighter, its driven quite hard

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We’re near, I’m from Molina de Segura, Murcia Big Smile

 

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Overaggressive throttling? Could you or someone else explain this a little bit better?

In what reviews I spotted of the SST40 based S21A, when you engage Turbo Mode, it almost immediately starts stepping down, pretty much negating anything useful of that mode.

Wow, so bad?

I have to replace the driver in my nephew's S2+, torch predominantly used with the short tube, guess I won't mess with thermal throttling in that one. The other driver, though, is another story. 

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Hello guys
What about the Convoy M3 driver ?
How can i remove it?

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Maybe this thread helps, driver might be sonewhat different though

http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1551077#comment-1551077

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Yokiamy wrote:
Maybe this thread helps, driver might be sonewhat different though

http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1551077#comment-1551077


The M3 has different driver, I’m not sure I find it correctly =((
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I think i found it =D

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Good info. I just ordered a few of these and I’m sure I will do this mod.

These drivers with the stepped modes look like constant current linear mode FET drivers like led4power’s. Is the other ‘ramping’ driver from convoy mentioned above also this type of driver? The description and UI seem strange. Is the current limited to 8A?

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Barkuti wrote:

Satan@103TFS wrote:
@Barkuti what do you think if I just bypass “5mΩ” with the wire to run XHP50.2 3V I’m not sure if it a good ideal.

If you do that the driver won’t be able to regulate at all. This means no ramping and no modes. I haven’t tried it, though.


You still need to tweak the sense resistor stack value for it to work. You could try an R004 on top, it could work well or it may not. Add some heatsinking to the thing in such a case, as you’ll be above the maximum power rating for single 1206 resistors (a couple stacked one doesn’t changes this significantly). A good mound of thermal glue above sense resistor and MOSFET could help.


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… I assume R010?

So what I’m understanding is that more resistance = higher amperage… Now to work out the right number to hit ~7.5A Smile


If the driver uses R010 for 6A this means sense voltage is Vsense = R × I = 10mΩ × 6A = 60mV. If you want to add 1.5A, you need Rextra = V / I = 60mV / 1.5A = 40mΩ or an R040 in parallel with the existing R010.


I have not measured how that driver behaves actually but if you really want to be sure to hit 7.5A, add some more conductance is my advice. I’d look for an R030, which would raise the maximum current to 8A theorerical (6A + 2A), albeit it would leave the actual figure in close proximity to 7.5A effective due to MOSFET heating, imho.

Hi Barkuti & folks,

Can I ask, where is the sense resistor on this board to be sure?
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/33024197621.html

I have ordered the 20mm board 6A version which I supposed is the same as the 17mm/22mm one. Would you be so kind to show me where it is? thanks

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Look at your link picture and it clearly shows R010

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jacc wrote:

Can I ask, where is the sense resistor on this board to be sure?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33024197621.html

The sense resistor is that big R010 chip resistor onboard, down there in this photo:

 

 

That looks to be 2010 imperial size.

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Thanks for the reply, Guess what? I have bought the 1210 sizes and its on its way! Haha, I read it off other threads of the similar driver but in a 17mm size I think?

Since 2010 size is 5mm x 2.5mm and 1210 is 3.5mm x 2.5mm, I suppose this allows me to join two resistors serially to lower the output (which was my main objective anyway).

I actually do see another R010 on the board, at the left side of the 10pin IC. Could that be the sense resistor as well? Regs

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jacc wrote:

Can I ask, where is the sense resistor on this board to be sure?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33024197621.html

The sense resistor is that big R010 chip resistor onboard, down there in this photo:


 



 


That looks to be 2010 imperial size.

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The sense resistor is the small black one at the very right of the board in that pic; “north east” of the MCU

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oweban wrote:
The sense resistor is the small black one at the very right of the board in that pic; “north east” of the MCU

Oh thanks for the double confirmation. Looks like I will be having a tough time trying to fit 1210 resistors there Big Smile

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The sense resistor is the small black one at the very right of the board in that pic; “north east” of the MCU

I don’t think you’re correct. Barkuti has modified these boards before so I’d be more inclined to trust his answer

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Oops sorry I was thinking about the thermal resistor. Brain dead lately.

Apologies everyone, barkuti is right. I’ve done the mod on those sense resistors myself.

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Anyone know which component is the thermal resistor on the 17mm driver of post #6? (bottom picture). There’s two components within the drawn cicle

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The upper one Funtastic. I could also say the rightmost one, and so it is valid for both top (∅22 mm) and bottom (∅17 mm) driver pictures. 

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The upper one Funtastic. I could also say the rightmost one, and so it is valid for both top (∅22 mm) and bottom (∅17 mm) driver pictures. 

Awesome, many thanks

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20mm driver: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33024201368.html
AON 7220 Mosfet: http://www.datasheet-pdf.com/PDF/AON7220-Datasheet-Alpha&OmegaSemiconduc...

Strange though, when looking into the datasheet of the MOSFET, it seems like the big R010 resistor is connected to the Source terminal of the MOSFET (the first 3 pins of the MOSFET are tied together). The Gate pin on the other hand is not connected to the R010, it goes under the MOSFET (or under) to another location. We can see that all the remaining pins on the right side of the MOSFET (4 pins) are connected together as the Drain terminal, which means the datasheet is correct to the MOSFET used here.

I m not good at electronics. Does the Gate terminal connect to the “sense resistor” to bias the Vgs?

oweban wrote:
Oops sorry I was thinking about the thermal resistor. Brain dead lately.

Apologies everyone, barkuti is right. I’ve done the mod on those sense resistors myself.

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Can i just remove the temp thingy with a soldering iron? Do i need to bridge something after removing it?

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jacc wrote:
20mm driver: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33024201368.html
AON 7220 Mosfet: http://www.datasheet-pdf.com/PDF/AON7220-Datasheet-Alpha&OmegaSemiconduc...

Strange though, when looking into the datasheet of the MOSFET, it seems like the big R010 resistor is connected to the Source terminal of the MOSFET (the first 3 pins of the MOSFET are tied together). The Gate pin on the other hand is not connected to the R010, it goes under the MOSFET (or under) to another location. We can see that all the remaining pins on the right side of the MOSFET (4 pins) are connected together as the Drain terminal, which means the datasheet is correct to the MOSFET used here.

I m not good at electronics. Does the Gate terminal connect to the “sense resistor” to bias the Vgs?

oweban wrote:
Oops sorry I was thinking about the thermal resistor. Brain dead lately.

Apologies everyone, barkuti is right. I’ve done the mod on those sense resistors myself.


Yes sense resistor is connected to the source, the linear driver is exact the same as typical Electronic load circuit https://www.codrey.com/electronic-circuits/simple-electronic-dc-load/
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polarweis wrote:
Can i just remove the temp thingy with a soldering iron? Do i need to bridge something after removing it?

1 Yes you can
2 No do dont

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Can step down be eliminated from a Sofirn C8F, 18650 version? I know it is a long shot asking but WTH. The three minute timer really isn’t needed. Not on high anyway. Maybe turbo.

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I think that stepdown is in the firmware on the driver. You’d need to figure out how to change the firmware.

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Sirstinky wrote:
I think that stepdown is in the firmware on the driver. You’d need to figure out how to change the firmware.

Over my head. I was hoping an EE could show me which component to remove or change. I did discover that in group three it steps down to about 1000 lumens so that is not so bad. Still, really not a lot of heat buildup, even at 1500 and 2500. One of the main selling points of a floody C8 in my estimation.

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