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Love the idea of the custom BLF LT1 battery wraps. I’m interested too in a set. Big Smile

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... I went into this saying that since the LT1 project and related graphics are basically BLF property, I'd donate my finished files back to BLF. It will be a LOT less work for me if y'all print and wrap your own. ...

 

Question: How are you printing the wraps?  In my experience, inkjet printers use water-based inks that can easily smudge when handling if fingers are not completely dry.  Laser printers use heat & pressure to fuse toner to the media, and might shrink the wrap as it passes through the fusing unit.  Too, individual wraps are so small that they would be unlikely to travel through the paper path of either type of printer unless attached to a larger backing sheet.

EDIT:  Seems my Reading Comprehension-Fu was weak on this one.  I see where these are paper under clear wrap.

I also see where you mentioned alignment of color within the lantern lens aligning correctly within the lens outline.  In printing that is called registration.  If the image file contains the color inset in it's native state, a printer should be able to achieve precise registration in only one pass, printing B&W and color simultaneously.

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Slim –
- Yep. The fancy ones are color prints under clear shrink
- Nope. Those will/may be factory printed shrink. I’m not asking for full CYMK with exact registration, but I have to get an idea of their acceptable error margins and decide if the second color will look right without mangling the design too much.

DIY LT1 battery wrap image. "PDF on Google Drive":https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IHIEOi1NXu868IYNCzIM7D2Ulpxchmww

Fresh Sanyo NCR18650GAs already wrapped "for sale HERE":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/69120 if you like.

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I’ve been doing some tweaking and testing. I’ve narrowed it down to three choices for stock I want to pre-make for when this turns into a proper For Sale post. Which ones do you like the best?

DIY LT1 battery wrap image. "PDF on Google Drive":https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IHIEOi1NXu868IYNCzIM7D2Ulpxchmww

Fresh Sanyo NCR18650GAs already wrapped "for sale HERE":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/69120 if you like.

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I like choice 3: A BLF COLLABORATION

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I like choice #1: LET THERE BE LIGHT

Another choice that might be nice for “advertising” purposes would be like choice #2, but use the actual site name/address: budgetlightforum.com but I’m not sure we want that, and certainly Mr. Admin would have to decide if it’s okay to use the site name for advertising that way.

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I have the site address on the back, under the specs of the cell under the wrap. You’re probably right about running final choices past him though.

The default “back” of the cell – assuming I can’t get an operational cheatsheet / quick-start smashed in there.

NCR18650GA 3300 mAh
Charge max 4.2v 1475 mA
Discharge 2.5v 10000 max
BudgetLightForum.com

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Hmmm… that brings up a question. The LT1 is rated at 2A charging, right? If someone only has one of these installed, it will exceed the cell’s recommended max charge rate. I know that none of us are likely to have a single cell in any of our lanterns, but to badly paraphrase George Carlin, the scary thing about your average idiot is that they’re smarter than half the idiots you’ll encounter.

DIY LT1 battery wrap image. "PDF on Google Drive":https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IHIEOi1NXu868IYNCzIM7D2Ulpxchmww

Fresh Sanyo NCR18650GAs already wrapped "for sale HERE":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/69120 if you like.

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I like choice #3 “A BLF Collaboration”

I’d be in for a couple of sets.

BTW, thank you for doing all this work amishbill.

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DavidEF wrote:
Another choice that might be nice for “advertising” purposes would be like choice #2, but use the actual site name/address: budgetlightforum.com but I’m not sure we want that, and certainly Mr. Admin would have to decide if it’s okay to use the site name for advertising that way.

Agree, if approved. Credit where credit is due. Interested in a set. Thank you for stepping up on this idea.
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number 3 looks good Smile

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amishbill wrote:
Hmmm… that brings up a question. The LT1 is rated at 2A charging, right? If someone only has one of these installed, it will exceed the cell’s recommended max charge rate. I know that none of us are likely to have a single cell in any of our lanterns, but to badly paraphrase George Carlin, the scary thing about your average idiot is that they’re smarter than half the idiots you’ll encounter.

The TP5100 charging chip is capable of 2A, but the LT1 design holds it to a maximum of 1.5A as a deliberately conservative design choice. I believe the lantern can be set to charge at either 750mA or 1.5A using a solder bridge.

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I’ve got a mockup of what the battery labels would look like with a (very) abbreviated instruction set attached. The image is the raw layout and the links are to (roughly) how they look when wrapped around a battery.

What’s your preference? A cleaner, simpler design, or a busier version with a quick reference included?



DIY LT1 battery wrap image. "PDF on Google Drive":https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IHIEOi1NXu868IYNCzIM7D2Ulpxchmww

Fresh Sanyo NCR18650GAs already wrapped "for sale HERE":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/69120 if you like.

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I prefer the cleaner look with just the logo and a few lines about the underlying battery. I think printing a cheat sheet on the batteries will only serve to confuse people more.

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DavidEF wrote:
I prefer the cleaner look with just the logo and a few lines about the underlying battery. I think printing a cheat sheet on the batteries will only serve to confuse people more.

It’s not a perfect plan, but it will always be with the lantern.

I agree that the no-instruction version looks better, but I’ve learned that what I want is not always what someone else wants. Worst case, I have the design and can keep it in my back pocket for special requests.

Is there space inside the battery compartment for a rolled up instruction scroll? How thick a stack of folder paper will fit under the bottom cap before it interferes with the o-ring waterproofing?

DIY LT1 battery wrap image. "PDF on Google Drive":https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IHIEOi1NXu868IYNCzIM7D2Ulpxchmww

Fresh Sanyo NCR18650GAs already wrapped "for sale HERE":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/69120 if you like.

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amishbill wrote:
DavidEF wrote:
I prefer the cleaner look with just the logo and a few lines about the underlying battery. I think printing a cheat sheet on the batteries will only serve to confuse people more.

It’s not a perfect plan, but it will always be with the lantern.

I agree that the no-instruction version looks better, but I’ve learned that what I want is not always what someone else wants. Worst case, I have the design and can keep it in my back pocket for special requests.

Is there space inside the battery compartment for a rolled up instruction scroll? How thick a stack of folder paper will fit under the bottom cap before it interferes with the o-ring waterproofing?


Take a look at the BLF Q8 cheat sheet. It was intentionally designed to be folded accordion-style and stuck inside the tail-cap. I found that it fits nicely, and possibly could even be a bit bigger if you needed more space.

LINK to BLF Q8 Cheat Sheet

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Using the three samples from a few posts up, I’m going to work up a few finished sets this weekend. My plan is to finalize the tally on my costs, and put up an official For Sale post once I have actual, ship-able product, images, and pricing.

For those of you who said you wanted multiple sets, are you thinking of getting all the same pattern, one of each, etc? Does being able to identify one set from another have any importance to you?

DIY LT1 battery wrap image. "PDF on Google Drive":https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IHIEOi1NXu868IYNCzIM7D2Ulpxchmww

Fresh Sanyo NCR18650GAs already wrapped "for sale HERE":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/69120 if you like.

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What about shipping to Philippines?.

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Chinaheart wrote:

What about shipping to Philippines?.


Surprisingly, it looks like shipping to the Philippines might be easier than shipping to Canada. The cost though – I doubt it will be inexpensive.
Edit – A quick lookup with a random post code in Bataan says Fed Ex Economy will be about $100. I seriously hope there are cheaper battery sources for you.

If you have a more local source for batteries, you may be better off doing this DIY. Please PM me to discuss.

EDITUSPS looks like it will be much cheaper, but still more than I have factored into the US pricing. I will look into this a little more, but can make no guarantees.

DIY LT1 battery wrap image. "PDF on Google Drive":https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IHIEOi1NXu868IYNCzIM7D2Ulpxchmww

Fresh Sanyo NCR18650GAs already wrapped "for sale HERE":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/69120 if you like.

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Gosh Darnnit — Two pages and nobody pointed out that the title of this post talked about “wapped” battery sets. Grr…

I really need to get better glasses.

DIY LT1 battery wrap image. "PDF on Google Drive":https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IHIEOi1NXu868IYNCzIM7D2Ulpxchmww

Fresh Sanyo NCR18650GAs already wrapped "for sale HERE":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/69120 if you like.

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amishbill wrote:

Gosh Darnnit — Two pages and nobody pointed out that the title of this post talked about “wapped” battery sets. Grr…

I really need to get better glasses.

And...

that's a wap!

Everybody, take five.  :P

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Does anyone like colorful things? I now have the supplies to make each style in these colors:

I may make a sample set of one or more colors, but in general these will be request only items – same pricing but a delay for assembly and shipping.
NOTE – bottom right is a pale yellow/tan – not white.

DIY LT1 battery wrap image. "PDF on Google Drive":https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IHIEOi1NXu868IYNCzIM7D2Ulpxchmww

Fresh Sanyo NCR18650GAs already wrapped "for sale HERE":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/69120 if you like.

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What exactly do you mean with the ‘discharge 2.5v 10000 max’ line? The minimal voltage of the battery or the maximum discharge current? If the last, there is no unit for that ‘10000’.

Maybe change it to:
‘Max charge 4.2v @ 1475mA’
‘Max discharge 10000mA to 2.5v’

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Those are values from the manufacturer’s data sheet. Max discharge point is 2.5v.

I’m not going to un-make the ones I have already, but I can tweak the data block for future runs.

DIY LT1 battery wrap image. "PDF on Google Drive":https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IHIEOi1NXu868IYNCzIM7D2Ulpxchmww

Fresh Sanyo NCR18650GAs already wrapped "for sale HERE":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/69120 if you like.

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amishbill wrote:
Gosh Darnnit — Two pages and nobody pointed out that the title of this post talked about “wapped” battery sets. Grr…

I really need to get better glasses.


I always found it a bit tacky to correct someone’s spelling or grammar iffn I could discern their meaning.
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OK – I have some inventory ready and The Official “Want To Sell” post is up. (LINKY)

DIY LT1 battery wrap image. "PDF on Google Drive":https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IHIEOi1NXu868IYNCzIM7D2Ulpxchmww

Fresh Sanyo NCR18650GAs already wrapped "for sale HERE":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/69120 if you like.

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chinooker wrote:

I always found it a bit tacky to correct someone's spelling or grammar iffn I could discern their meaning.

I don't think it's a problem, and amishbill is correcting his own spelling.  :BEER:

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The first round of batteries should be in everyone’s hands by tomorrow. I expect feedback (hopefully glowing and full of superlatives Smile ) to start showing up in a day or three.

Feel free to jump over to the official “Want To Sell” post (right here) to see what I have available and what the first buyers have to say.

DIY LT1 battery wrap image. "PDF on Google Drive":https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IHIEOi1NXu868IYNCzIM7D2Ulpxchmww

Fresh Sanyo NCR18650GAs already wrapped "for sale HERE":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/69120 if you like.

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As promised, here is a DIY wrap image. PDF on Google Drive

Print the PDF, trim it to width and length as needed for the batteries you want to wrap, put it under clear shrink tube. Or, print on adhesive labels, or…. whatever works for you. Beer

You can still get fresh Sanyo GAs already wrapped HERE if you like.

DIY LT1 battery wrap image. "PDF on Google Drive":https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IHIEOi1NXu868IYNCzIM7D2Ulpxchmww

Fresh Sanyo NCR18650GAs already wrapped "for sale HERE":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/69120 if you like.

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DavidEF wrote:
amishbill wrote:
DavidEF wrote:
I prefer the cleaner look with just the logo and a few lines about the underlying battery. I think printing a cheat sheet on the batteries will only serve to confuse people more.

It’s not a perfect plan, but it will always be with the lantern.

I agree that the no-instruction version looks better, but I’ve learned that what I want is not always what someone else wants. Worst case, I have the design and can keep it in my back pocket for special requests.

Is there space inside the battery compartment for a rolled up instruction scroll? How thick a stack of folder paper will fit under the bottom cap before it interferes with the o-ring waterproofing?


Take a look at the BLF Q8 cheat sheet. It was intentionally designed to be folded accordion-style and stuck inside the tail-cap. I found that it fits nicely, and possibly could even be a bit bigger if you needed more space.

LINK to BLF Q8 Cheat Sheet

Regarding the Q8 Cheat Sheet you can scale a copy a bit up and roll it. It should fit in the center of the battery tube

from the Narsil v1.2 Cheat Sheet:
An alternative idea to store the cheat sheet in the BLF Q8:
I printed a copy of the cheat sheet a little larger (75 mm high after cutting) and rolled it up – it now fits perfectly between the four cells. I can read this larger version. (Lazy-R-Us)
Or you put the folded cheat sheet in the tailcap and the second part with the notes section between the batteries.

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