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… but most of us like having food, shelter, modern medicine and electric power for the blink of time we’re here.

I agree. Being alive means you’re gonna use some energy, and you’re gonna pollute a certain amount.


To my way of thinking, unbridled population growth is the biggest environmental threat. If population is allowed to grow unchecked, in the long run, no amount of conservation/clean energy/etc. will prevent ecological degradation.


We’re talking about a declining quality of life, and not necessarily human extinction.


I heard an interesting speaker at the Commonwealth Club a year or two ago explain that limits on the amount of potable water on the planet will impose a limit on human population later in this century. For poor countries in Africa and south Asia (including India) and many other places, getting clean drinking water will become harder and harder. The incredible increases in lifespan that those places have seen over the last 75 years—due in large part to fertilizers and modern agricultural methods—will begin to be lost. People will die younger. This speaker predicted a leveling out of the population at around 9 billion. That ain’t extinction, but 10 to 20 years off your life certainly qualifies a reduction in its quality.


In the first world, you may not even notice that the quality of life has declined. More and more, for instance, we now have to eat salmon that are grown in the pens of “fish farms.” Do you think a farmed salmon—one that swims back and forth in its pen—tastes the same as a wild salmon that roam the oceans freely? I don’t. Many of our children and grandchildren, however, will never have tasted wild salmon. They won’t even know that their quality of life has diminished, because they won’t know what they are missing.

The issues of overpopulation are massively overstated. The issues is distribution of resources and lack of infrastructure in densely populated areas. Overfishing happens because it’s profitable not because we’d starve otherwise. Same with deforestation.

On average a person in the developed world uses MANY times more resources and the same for the pollution and garbage they produce vs a developing or undeveloped country.

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Yep.

That’s why I’m trying, and succeeding, in buying less things in general.

That includes flashlights and electronics.

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I like the idea of EVs, but they’re not quite ready for primetime. Not without lots more work.

I’ve been driving a battery EV since January 2014. The technology has come a very long way since then. So has the charging infrastructure.

I have never run out of charge. I did come close once in 2014 when I was driving a car that only had about 80 miles of usable range and there weren’t any rapid chargers. I admit the “80 mile” car could be limiting at times. I handed that car back to the leasing company in 2017.

Since then I haven’t had a single problem. My current car has about 160 miles of range, which is more than enough. It takes about 30 minutes to rapid charge the car back to 80%.

But I hardly ever use public chargers. Most of the time I recharge the car at home overnight.

I never have to wait to fuel up. Instead I wake up to a full “tank” every morning.
I don’t have to hunt around for the cheapest gas station.
I save about £120 a month on fuel. (Gas is about 2x the price here that is in the the US, but our electric is more too)
My car is quiet. Really quiet.
In the winter, I can set the car to preheat the interior while it is still plugged in. I come out to warm, defrosted car…

I charge my car from a standard (UK) wall plug. Yes, I can get 2.2kW from a wall plug. Most EV owners in the US get a 240V clothes dryer plug installed in their garage if they don’t have one already. There are EVSE adapters that plug into a clothes dryer outlet.

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The national electric grid is strained as it is, and yet they want to pretty much push all cars onto it as well. Oh, but we can “help out” by letting EVs be used as storage and put electricity into the grid at peak times. That’d do wonders for your EV’s battery’s cycle life.
— There is plenty of capacity to spare if people use the charge timers and charge between 1AM and 5AM….

EVs don’t stress the batteries they way some of us do with flashlights. There are safety buffers at the top and bottom of charge. Most EVs have active thermal management too. battery life is getting better – partly because there is more capacity to play with. My 2014 EV lost about 10% range after 3 years and 30,000 miles. The second EV was down about 3% after 2 years and 22,000 miles. The current car hasn’t lost anything after the first 8,000 miles.

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How would AA get you moving again if your EV ran out of juice, short of a tow?

AA and RAC both trialed vans with generators. There was very little demand so they quietly dropped the service. For the tiny handful of people who do run out, AA and RAC flat bed them to the nearest 50kW charging station.

Nissan and BMW both offer a free tow service with their EVs. We used it once to pull the car out of the mud after someone ran Debbie off the road.

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Imo always the same problems.. To fix one problem… Another problem is created…

I dont think the science will give us a way to solve the problem in less than 40 years

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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
The issues of overpopulation are massively overstated.

Gotta disagree here. Take recycling as an example. It is better and often easier not to produce waste in the first place than it is to develop systems to recycle it. So it goes for human beings too. Every new person  adds a small burden to the planet. Rather than develop systems to provide for billions of new human beings, it may be easier to manage global population, so that those burdens are never created in the first place. Otherwise, we will impose an ever increasing load on the Earth.

Of course, history is on your side. Since Malthus first sounded the population alarm back in the 1800s, technological developments have pushed our day of reckoning further and further into the future. The "green revolution," in particular, involving fertilizer and agricultural innovation, has proven Malthus wrong.

Science and technology could get us out of this jam, as well. Too bad it is politically fashionable to dismiss science these days.

 

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The issues is distribution of resources and lack of infrastructure in densely populated areas. Overfishing happens because it's profitable not because we'd starve otherwise. Same with deforestation.

Right you are. The human species is not going extinct. At least, not right away.. That's why I say quality of life is the issue.

 

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On average a person in the developed world uses MANY times more resources and the same for the pollution and garbage they produce vs a developing or undeveloped country.

Right again. It's ironic that those in developing nations will pay a higher cost than we will. In many ways they are not causing the problems. My wish, of course, is that the people in developing nations could all enjoy a standard of living on a par with those who live in the rich countries. Were that to happen, however, the planet will be burdened even more.

Like Roseanne Roseannadanna (the SNL character played by Gilda Radner) used to say, "Well, Jane, it just goes to show you, it's always something — if it ain't one thing, it's another."

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The problem is that no one can even address the overpopulation issue without sounding like a racist/Nazi/villain-du-jour.

In places where people breed like stray cats, no one wants to say, “Hey, rather than just dumping more food and meds over there to let them breed even more, maybe we should ‘encourage’ lower-to-negative population growth instead”.

With cats, catch’n‘release spay/neuter programs work wonders (if you ever saw a cat with a nicked ear, you know why). Try that with humans, and ho boy!, everyone from the various churches to do-goodnik organisations will be howling and wailing like wounded animals at “violating their human rights”. Yes, even the “right” to overpopulate yourself to mass starvation.

Countries, whole continents, inner-cities, doesn’t matter where it is, it’s a problem that will continue unabated.

I keep warning people, one sweeping pandemic will “fix” the problem, but it won’t be pretty. There just won’t be enough meds to go around.

No one’s suggesting active means to “cull the herd”, but for the love of B’harni (pbuh!), stop the hæmorrhaging before it gets too far out of control! It’s far easier and gentler to be proactive than reactive.

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Everyone will be happy to know that current predictions are for the world’s population to start declining after peaking around mid century. Smile

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The problem is that no one can even address the overpopulation issue without sounding like a racist/Nazi/villain-du-jour.

You can say that again, brother!

Back in 2010, when Haiti was struck by a catastrophic earthquake, I got a lot of pushback when I suggested that every box of food, medicine and other life-saving supplies should be accompanied by a crate of condoms.

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…for the love of B’harni (pbuh!)

Forgive the ignorance, I’ve seen you mention this name on more than one occasion and now I’m curious.. Who/what is B’harni? Only info I get on the internet seems to be about a purple dinosaur (I’m not sure if the results were satire or sincere). From your usage of the “pbuh!” (I’ve seen this in the context of Islamic texts/quotes when referring to their prophet or their deity, so I’m thinking B’harni is a “who”).

I know this post is way off topic, but we’re already pretty far from flashlights with this thread. I hope I haven’t offended anyone by my asking a question that may be considered religious in nature. A careful reading of my words above should yield an understanding that I am not seeking to inflame, ridicule, preach, or pass judgement. Please excuse the offence if you inclined to take one.

More to the subject, I read somewhere that the Tesla 3 has similar/lower projected 5 year cost of ownership than a Camry or an Accord. This is interesting to me, because the performance of the Tesla (even the 3) should be impressive when compared to the other two. It wouldn’t replace a truck (I often drive a pickup for some of the work I do), but it would work for most of my driving. I drive 92 miles round trip when I go to the office. If I charged the thing at night, I’d never need to stop at a gas station unless I wanted to get something to drink/snack on.

I see some real benefits to EVs and I think we’re just getting started on some of the cool things they can do. When the primary selling point isn’t “you’ll be able to tell everyone how GREEN you are and how much you just love the environment now that you drive an EV!” and turns to “This vehicle is better in nearly every way for a similar cost” I think more people will go for it.

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…for the love of B’harni (pbuh!)

Forgive the ignorance, I’ve seen you mention this name on more than one occasion and now I’m curious.. Who/what is B’harni? Only info I get on the internet seems to be about a purple dinosaur (I’m not sure if the results were satire or sincere). From your usage of the “pbuh!” (I’ve seen this in the context of Islamic texts/quotes when referring to their prophet or their deity, so I’m thinking B’harni is a “who”).

B’harni (pbuh!) is the Great Purple Satan. Kinda like Cthulhu, only more badass.

If you value the souls of your children, take care not to show disrespect to him. Shocked

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I know this post is way off topic, but we’re already pretty far from flashlights with this thread. I hope I haven’t offended anyone by my asking a question that may be considered religious in nature. A careful reading of my words above should yield an understanding that I am not seeking to inflame, ridicule, preach, or pass judgement. Please excuse the offence if you inclined to take one.

Pffft. You’d have to work overtime to even come close to “offending” me. Call me names, question my parentage, mock my choice of flashlights, I don’t care. It’s all 1s and 0s…

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More to the subject, I read somewhere that the Tesla 3 has similar/lower projected 5 year cost of ownership than a Camry or an Accord. This is interesting to me, because the performance of the Tesla (even the 3) should be impressive when compared to the other two. It wouldn’t replace a truck (I often drive a pickup for some of the work I do), but it would work for most of my driving. I drive 92 miles round trip when I go to the office. If I charged the thing at night, I’d never need to stop at a gas station unless I wanted to get something to drink/snack on.

If I didn’t luck out with the only neighbor on the block who’d “prefer not to” have a car in the (shared) driveway (seriously, no one else on the block even has to ask, they just do it), I could’ve gotten something like a Volt or Bolt or whatever long ago. All I’d need/want it for is commuting, and I could take a real car on weekends.

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Lightbringer wrote:

B’harni (pbuh!) is the Great Purple Satan. Kinda like Cthulhu, only more badass.

If you value the souls of your children, take care not to show disrespect to him. Shocked


I… Want… TO CLICK!!! Ughh

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I figured you’d be good, but I was a little worried about some of the more delicate members here.. I’ve seen some get riled over some small/petty things. Also, it seems that mentioning something sounding even slightly religious these days can be met with cries of “Hate speech!”, “Rhetoric!”, “Stop oppressing me!”, etc.. and the forum itself has some rules about religion and politics. I personally feel similar to you. Everybody has a right to their own opinions (though everyone’s opinion may not be right), and I don’t really care if someone else disagrees with me. That makes for better conversation anyway right?

When I searched for “B’harni”, the results I found matched what you have posted. Glad to see I found the correct answer. I remember when I was much younger, it was popular to prove you were a big kid by professing your dislike of the purple dinosaur. Maybe this is the grown up version of that?

Sucks about the car situation.. We currently live in the suburbs, and it seems all of our neighbors have too many cars (one next-door has 6 of their own and usually several visitors, across the street they have 5). My wife and I have 2, and they are always in the garage or on the driveway, but somehow our mailbox has been blocked enough times that the USPS sent a letter about not delivering our mail if we don’t move the cars. Neighbors can makes things unpleasant, and I look forward to the day I can move back out to nowhere and get some peace. I wish you luck with your ridiculous neighbor.

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I figured you’d be good, but I was a little worried about some of the more delicate members here.. I’ve seen some get riled over some small/petty things. Also, it seems that mentioning something sounding even slightly religious these days can be met with cries of “Hate speech!”, “Rhetoric!”, “Stop oppressing me!”, etc.. and the forum itself has some rules about religion and politics. I personally feel similar to you. Everybody has a right to their own opinions (though everyone’s opinion may not be right), and I don’t really care if someone else disagrees with me. That makes for better conversation anyway right?

Wellp, I see it this way. If someone can get me riled with just a little name-calling, that person has power over me. He’s a puppeteer who can pull my strings on-cue and make me react.

If I don’t give someone that power over me, then he has none. It’s as simple as that.

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Sucks about the car situation.. We currently live in the suburbs, and it seems all of our neighbors have too many cars (one next-door has 6 of their own and usually several visitors, across the street they have 5). My wife and I have 2, and they are always in the garage or on the driveway, but somehow our mailbox has been blocked enough times that the USPS sent a letter about not delivering our mail if we don’t move the cars. Neighbors can makes things unpleasant, and I look forward to the day I can move back out to nowhere and get some peace. I wish you luck with your ridiculous neighbor.

Wellp, we got multiple neighbors who have driveways and garages and choose to park all their cars streetside, across their driveways rather than in it (oh, unless there’s no parking and they have to). I gotta keep 2 cars, 1 as a placeholder — so double insurance, double registration, double yearly-inspections, double everythingjust to have a parking space when I come home at night.

And some schmos would still park across my driveway. Little love-notes on the windshield did nothing, ‘til I started calling ‘em in and having ‘em ticketed, and made noises about having the next ones towed as well. “But you don’t use your driveway…” Yah, well, tell it to Mr Neighbor, not me; it’s still a driveway (half mine), and I will have ‘em towed.

Some nabes have each plot as house+driveway, but we got half-driveway+house+half-driveway for whatever reason those geniuses divided up the plots that way.

And I can imagine parking (an EV) out front and having an electrical cable draped across the sidewalk. Helloooooooo, lawsuit!

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Lightbringer,
I am confused.

It sounds like you are saying that you pay taxes on a house which has property that includes a driveway that you are not allowed to use because your neighbor who shares (But does not Own) doesn’t want any car there?

If this is indeed true, then he is owning you.
Tell him when he wants to pay your taxes, then and only then, can he tell/request/prefer, etc. what you do with your own property.
Doesn’t cure your electric hookup, but I be damned someone gonna tell me I can’t use my own driveway.

Wish I could help, neighbors sharing driveways never ends well. Have had my own experiences but I was a renter so I had no real power.
Guy would always pull the “I’ll call the Cops!” routine (Like many chowderheads always resort to)

Sorry for your pain.

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The problem is that no one can even address the overpopulation issue without sounding like a racist/Nazi/villain-du-jour.

In places where people breed like stray cats, no one wants to say, “Hey, rather than just dumping more food and meds over there to let them breed even more, maybe we should ‘encourage’ lower-to-negative population growth instead”. Because those exact arguments are used by various… “groups of questionable morals and ethics”. Their stance isn’t that we should improve education, reduce scarcity, provide birth control in those regions but rather that we need to “control” those populations in to doing what we know is better for them (whether we really do or not).

With cats, catch’n‘release spay/neuter programs work wonders (if you ever saw a cat with a nicked ear, you know why). Try that with humans, and ho boy!, everyone from the various churches to do-goodnik organisations will be howling and wailing like wounded animals at “violating their human rights”. Yes, even the “right” to overpopulate yourself to mass starvation. We have more food than we know what to do with, the issue is that it doesn’t go where it’s needed. The reasons for that are something we can’t actually discuss on BLF without going out of bounds.

Countries, whole continents, inner-cities, doesn’t matter where it is, it’s a problem that will continue unabated.

I keep warning people, one sweeping pandemic will “fix” the problem, but it won’t be pretty. There just won’t be enough meds to go around.

No one’s suggesting active means to “cull the herd”, but for the love of B’harni (pbuh!), stop the hæmorrhaging before it gets too far out of control! It’s far easier and gentler to be proactive than reactive.

100 companies are responsible for 71% of pollution emissions. Poor people having too many kids is not the world’s most pressing issue, the how and why so many people lack access to food, water, medicine, etc. is, as well as whether how we’re generating power and products is sustainable since we know that population WILL increase and those undeveloped/developing countries will start industrializing more and more.

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Muto wrote:
It sounds like you are saying that you pay taxes on a house which has property that includes a driveway that you are not allowed to use because your neighbor who shares (But does not Own) doesn’t want any car there?

They’re each a single-width driveway, but split down the middle on the property line. So there’s my half and his half.

I could put a motorcycle or even a dumpster on my half and he can’t say sh- squat, but a car would be on my half and “trespassing” on his half. And v/v, so either neighbor has “veto power”.

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If this is indeed true, then he is owning you.

Well, half-owning…

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Doesn’t cure your electric hookup, but I be damned someone gonna tell me I can’t use my own driveway.

They’re kinda like these…

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where you’d have a yard and possibly garage in back.

But half these schmos use their garages for storing their crap instead of keeping a car, and park in the driveway just off the sidewalk instead. Or worse, park streetside.

And there are the illegal conversions, 1-family houses illegally converted into 2-family (to prevent exactly this situation), basement apartments, attic apartments, rent-a-rooms, each one bringing more people (and more cars) onto the block. Their “rental income” is paying their mortgages, and giving a big “f-you!” to everyone else on the block.

I’m not a rat, but I’ve been sorely tempted to just sic the city on ‘em all. Problem is, those who’d do the investigating only have ID cards, not badges, so you could slam the door in their faces or just not even answer the doorbell, and the “investigation” ends right there. It’s a (bad) joke.

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Wish I could help, neighbors sharing driveways never ends well. Have had my own experiences but I was a renter so I had no real power.

Problem is, the past decade or so, I think all the cars in the neighborhood had sex and pooped out that many more cars, because I never used to have a problem coming home even late at night. Now? Unless you beat the quit-at-5 crowd to get home, forget it.

The only saving grace is that the neighbor on the other side prefers to park in front of his (streetside) garage vs under the tree in front of his house, where the birds would use his car as a toilet. So even though he can be kinda d-baggy on occasions, too, he doesn’t mind and even prefers when I park my car “halfies” between our houses. So that way no one blocks him out in front of my “placeholder” car, and I still have the too-short space behind so I can park across my half-driveway.

That’s why I’ve looked (and am still looking, ‘though not terribly hard) to move out east vs in The City.

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*Because those exact arguments are used by various… “groups of questionable morals and ethics”…

And that’s why I ain’t touching that topic anymore.

But forget global; even on a local level, there are finite resources, that can only comfortably sustain a population of X.

Hell, my own neighborhood never used to be positively choked with traffic as it is now. It’s just 20lbs of crap in a 5lb bag.

 

In relatively affluent Manhasset (not to be confused with Manhattan), there’s talk (and planning) of using a huge Macy*s parking lot to build an apartment complex. The neighborhood’s already strained, traffic-wise and otherwise. Even if they set aside underground parking for something like 80% of the apartments (never mind that couples/families would likely have 2 cars per unit), there’s concern about parking, traffic, schools, you name it.

Unless people want the dystopia of “Soylent Green” to be their future, yes, the population must be limited, one way or another.

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OK, I mis understood you.
Thought it was double wide drive with no separator, that’s what I had at the rental.
Makes sense now.

Glad to hear you get some help from your other neighbor.

Moving sucks for sure.
If you ever want to know how much crap you actually do own, just move once and you find out real quick Smile

Am spoiled now living in a rural area with off street driveway that fits 3 cars comfortably and back yard will hold more than I have ever had at a gathering, probably 15 more cars.
After the experience with the idiot neighbor, when I was looking for a house to buy was very explicit with the Realtor;
No Doubles/Semi’s/Partial detach whatever you want to call it, if it doesn’t have 4 walls that don’t touch any other building, do not even suggest I look at it.
And no Yuppy Breederbrook cul de sacs from hell, developments or condos, etc.

Took a while to find what I wanted but was worth the effort in the end.
However that was in 1998 before the prices want crazy, could not afford to buy it now from scratch.

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Lightbringer wrote:
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*Because those exact arguments are used by various… “groups of questionable morals and ethics”…

And that’s why I ain’t touching that topic anymore.

But forget global; even on a local level, there are finite resources, that can only comfortably sustain a population of X.

Hell, my own neighborhood never used to be positively choked with traffic as it is now. It’s just 20lbs of crap in a 5lb bag.

 

In relatively affluent Manhasset (not to be confused with Manhattan), there’s talk (and planning) of using a huge Macy*s parking lot to build an apartment complex. The neighborhood’s already strained, traffic-wise and otherwise. Even if they set aside underground parking for something like 80% of the apartments (never mind that couples/families would likely have 2 cars per unit), there’s concern about parking, traffic, schools, you name it.

Unless people want the dystopia of “Soylent Green” to be their future, yes, the population must be limited, one way or another.

If we look at the population trends in countries that moved to what most consider “developed” status the key strategy to achieving that is clear. It will take massive restructuring of the world economy to not rely on super cheap labor and resources though.

Not that you are doing so here, but its just tiresome to see the boogeyman of OVERPOPULATION Evil brought up as the cause of everything currently happening from famines, to pollution or any other issue someone might feel like blaming on the section of the world that isn’t actually contributing to the root causes.

Annnnyyywaaayyy… Big Smile

I would imagine people made arguments with a similar spirit when internal combustion cars first came about, and look where we are now. The tech and infrastructure will improve, and the incentive to go electric will only increase as gas prices get higher. I am willing to bet a lot of the people that don’t see much personal benefit to driving electric live somewhere with cheaper gas than California or NY state haha

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Some of us have to drive 350+ miles on any given day (multiple destinations) with no notice. Don’t think anything electric is going to take care of my work needs anytime soon.

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Some of us have to drive 350+ miles on any given day (multiple destinations) with no notice. Don’t think anything electric is going to take care of my work needs anytime soon.

Supercapacitors and other tech that’s in it’s infancy might surprise you.

Gasoline was always going to be leaded at one point too.

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Muto wrote:
OK, I mis understood you. Thought it was double wide drive with no separator, that’s what I had at the rental. Makes sense now.

No worries. If it were a doublewide driveway, oh, I’d park right up to the dividing line if I had to.

Muto wrote:
Glad to hear you get some help from your other neighbor.

Because it suits him. Ohhhhh, trust me, he’s another one who thinks he owns the block. I just purely lucked out that he prefers it this way.

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Moving sucks for sure. If you ever want to know how much crap you actually do own, just move once and you find out real quick Smile

You ain’t kidding!

I was already under contract but luckily got out of that one. Monthly estimated payments (mortgage+insurance+taxes) just kept going up, and up, and up. Off-the-wall seller reneged on things in the contract that the realtor was going to pay out of pocket to save the deal. Thank B’harni (pbuh!) that financing got torpedoed, else I’d be stuck there.

Muto wrote:
Am spoiled now living in a rural area with off street driveway that fits 3 cars comfortably and back yard will hold more than I have ever had at a gathering, probably 15 more cars.

Sounds like my gf’s place, and I was looking for places in that area. What I would’ve paid for a shoebox here in the city, I could get a decent sized house on a third-acre or so for half that.

Muto wrote:
After the experience with the idiot neighbor, when I was looking for a house to buy was very explicit with the Realtor; … And no Yuppy Breederbrook cul de sacs from hell, developments or condos, etc.

Or HOAs.

Muto wrote:
Took a while to find what I wanted but was worth the effort in the end. However that was in 1998 before the prices want crazy, could not afford to buy it now from scratch.

Yep, sometimes it’s worth the wait. Problem with out east there’s no NG hookup, so everything’s electric. And I like gas stoves. Hard to do cast-iron skillets on glass-top ranges. Sick

 

Back on topic… LOL yeah, with a place like that, my own place rather’n shared anything, I could do an EV and get away with it. And given the range, even on weekends if I wouldn’t have to travel so far to see the gf.

Thing is, with solar, I’d want my system to be isolated, and ideally with storage. The issues with net metering or not can leave you screwed.

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BurningPlayd0h wrote:

100 companies are responsible for 71% of pollution emissions. Poor people having too many kids is not the world’s most pressing issue, the how and why so many people lack access to food, water, medicine, etc. is, as well as whether how we’re generating power and products is sustainable since we know that population WILL increase and those undeveloped/developing countries will start industrializing more and more.

!{width:45%}https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2018/10/CO2-emissions-by-income-and-r...!

So it kinda looks like North America is where we need to start controlling the population the most, right? They’re the biggest polluters… Smile

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Yep.

1. Let’s build a BLF charger that can charge cells at lower voltages so they last longer.

2. Make more environmental friendly flashlights.

3. Buy lights shipped from your country if possible

4. Buy less lights.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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BlueSwordM wrote:
Yep.

1. Let’s build a BLF charger that can charge cells at lower voltages so they last longer.

2. Make more environmental friendly flashlights.

3. Buy lights shipped from your country if possible

4. Buy less lights.

CO2 goal:

1. no more chargers

2. no more flashlights

3. buy no flashlights

4. see no. 3.

5. no more cars

6. no more consumer goods

7. no more Infrastructure

8. no more internet, yes Internet is now a really CO2 hungry beast and growing faster than most other CO2 sources

9. no electric cars

10. live in cages and use flintrocks, wood fire, wood farming gear

11. because of No. 10 95% of worlds population dies starving, but we live CO2 neutral

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Siftah wrote:
BurningPlayd0h wrote:

100 companies are responsible for 71% of pollution emissions. Poor people having too many kids is not the world’s most pressing issue, the how and why so many people lack access to food, water, medicine, etc. is, as well as whether how we’re generating power and products is sustainable since we know that population WILL increase and those undeveloped/developing countries will start industrializing more and more.

!{width:45%}https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2018/10/CO2-emissions-by-income-and-r...!

So it kinda looks like North America is where we need to start controlling the population the most, right? They’re the biggest polluters… Smile

Bingo, the developed world has a much slower population growth. To combat high resource use/waste and pollution we (the US I mean) need other methods beyond telling everybody else to stop having so many kids.

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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
Siftah wrote:
BurningPlayd0h wrote:

100 companies are responsible for 71% of pollution emissions. Poor people having too many kids is not the world’s most pressing issue, the how and why so many people lack access to food, water, medicine, etc. is, as well as whether how we’re generating power and products is sustainable since we know that population WILL increase and those undeveloped/developing countries will start industrializing more and more.

!{width:45%}https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2018/10/CO2-emissions-by-income-and-r...!

So it kinda looks like North America is where we need to start controlling the population the most, right? They’re the biggest polluters… Smile

Bingo, the developed world has a much slower population growth. To combat high resource use/waste and pollution we (the US I mean) need other methods beyond telling everybody else to stop having so many kids.

Its not always locked to population total number

Its that we didn’t start 70 years ago to move to recycling and CO2 neutral technology

without all the fertilizers, pesticides and mono culture agriculture with its massive machines,
we would simply not have that population growth because not enough food could be produced

Now we are so far that we will miss the opportunity to stop a massive global warming, even if we are CO2 neutral in 30 years or so it’s too late, because
- we can’t stop permafrost soil to emit huge amounts of methane
- we can’t stop methane hydrate in the ocean to be released because the permafrost methane heated the atmosphere

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CO2 goal:

Sounds like a plan! LOL

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Lexel wrote:

without all the fertilizers, pesticides and mono culture agriculture with its massive machines,
we would simply not have that population growth because not enough food could be produced

That’s not a fact. It just couldn’t have been done as profitably.

Change in population pyramids over the last century in industrialized countries is due much more to changes in birth and death rate from social change and medical advances. The US arguably faced a true famine during the Dust Bowl but that wasn’t mostly due to lack of agricultural tech (rotating crops to avoid depleting the soil could be considered that though I guess).

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