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A lot of you are posting on the Wrong thread.Read the title.

He has a thread where some had positive experiences.

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A lot of you are posting on the Wrong thread.Read the title.

He has a thread where some had positive experiences.

People can post in any thread they like

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A lot of you are posting on the Wrong thread.Read the title.

He has a thread where some had positive experiences.

People can post in any thread they like

Of course they can. But why categorize it then?

People can do whatever they want right? It just makes more sense to post it in the other one. But then again this is the internet it never makes sense.

To admit is to acknowledge.To Accept is to take action.

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Cochise334ever wrote:
RobertB wrote:
Cochise334ever wrote:
A lot of you are posting on the Wrong thread.Read the title.

He has a thread where some had positive experiences.

People can post in any thread they like

Of course they can. But why categorize it then?

People can do whatever they want right? It just makes more sense to post it in the other one. But then again this is the internet it never makes sense.

If the purpose of this thread isn’t to engage in discourse about Neal’s service, what is it then? Just to provide confirmation bias? Perhaps a “misery loves company” thing?

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A lot of you are posting on the Wrong thread.Read the title.

He has a thread where some had positive experiences.

People can post in any thread they like

Of course they can. But why categorize it then?

People can do whatever they want right? It just makes more sense to post it in the other one. But then again this is the internet it never makes sense.

Read the original post. Some guy who signed up just to bitch & complain. His first and only post from two years ago. It was never meant to be a “post only if bad” thread.

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RobertB wrote:
Cochise334ever wrote:
RobertB wrote:
Cochise334ever wrote:
A lot of you are posting on the Wrong thread.Read the title.

He has a thread where some had positive experiences.

People can post in any thread they like

Of course they can. But why categorize it then?

People can do whatever they want right? It just makes more sense to post it in the other one. But then again this is the internet it never makes sense.

Read the original post. Some guy who signed up just to bitch & complain. His first and only post from two years ago. It was never meant to be a “post only if bad” thread.

Then why is the thread title “Negative experience with NealsGadgets”? and the other thread I believe is “ Positive experience with Nealsgadgets”.

I feel sorry for people who don't have a hobby or interest to escape to.

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A lot of you are posting on the Wrong thread.Read the title.

He has a thread where some had positive experiences.

There are plenty of negative comments in the “Positive Comments about Neal Zhang owner of Neals Gadgets” thread.

I see no complaint from you about those posts in that thread. Double Standard?

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IMHO this thread was started by a known member with an axe to grind with Neal. And he was never seen again. But some people decided to jump on the wagon and keep the fire burning. For what reason: to eliminate Neal? I don’t know.
Other people decided to add their positive experiences with Neal to this thread. And now we notice that there are objections? I think it is impossible to limit someone’s freedom of speech if he/she has a positive message.
It is hard hard to believe that some people apparently want an unlimited freedom to accuse of Neal of anything they see fit. And at the same time have the right to deny people with a different opinion to express themselves.
Rant over. It is/was not/never my intention to hurt someone’s feelings. Blame it on my lack of skills to express myself in a language that’s not my native tongue. Feel free to contact mr. Admin if you think I crossed a line.

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Rant over. It is/was not/never my intention to hurt someone’s feelings. Blame it on my lack of skills to express myself in a language that’s not my native tongue. Feel free to contact mr. Admin if you think I crossed a line.

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shirnask wrote:
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A lot of you are posting on the Wrong thread.Read the title.

He has a thread where some had positive experiences.

There are plenty of negative comments in the “Positive Comments about Neal Zhang owner of Neals Gadgets” thread.

I see no complaint from you about those posts in that thread. Double Standard?

No Double Standard…Never read that thread! I had NO reason to because my experience was bad and Fits this thread Wink

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RobertB wrote:
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A lot of you are posting on the Wrong thread.Read the title.

He has a thread where some had positive experiences.

People can post in any thread they like

Of course they can. But why categorize it then?

People can do whatever they want right? It just makes more sense to post it in the other one. But then again this is the internet it never makes sense.

Read the original post. Some guy who signed up just to bitch & complain. His first and only post from two years ago. It was never meant to be a “post only if bad” thread.

Your post has no merit. Makes no difference if it’s a guy’s first post or 50,000. What matters is the people who posted after him. The people that agreed the guy has issues. That’s all that matters. The OP just took the initiative.

You are focusing on the OP Instead of the disdain, incompetency and unresponsiveness of Neil. How are you going to dispute the dozens and dozens of people who are disgruntled by Neals actions? Are you going to discredit them? Just cuz you believe the OP shouldn’t have posted this thread?

It is kind of clear what’s important here.It is the experience of the hundreds of post after the OP.

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Your post has no merit. Makes no difference if it’s a guy’s first post or 50,000. What matters is the people who posted after him. The people that agreed the guy has issues. That’s all that matters. The OP just took the initiative.

You are focusing on the OP Instead of the disdain, incompetency and unresponsiveness of Neil. How are you going to dispute the dozens and dozens of people who are disgruntled by Neals actions? Are you going to discredit them? Just cuz you believe the OP shouldn’t have posted this thread?

It is kind of clear what’s important here.It is the experience of the hundreds of post after the OP.

Yeah….Neal shipped the wrong emitter. Complete radio silence when pushed for an answer. Paypal did a partial refund.

Is it my problem that Neal is possibily overwhelmed/has issues with English/cannot access certain non-China sites/some other excuse? No it is not my problem. It is the businessman (Neal) issue to go hire additional headcount once business expands.

Would never buy from Neal again.

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IMHO this thread was started by a known member with an axe to grind with Neal. And he was never seen again. But some people decided to jump on the wagon and keep the fire burning. For what reason: to eliminate Neal? I don’t know. Other people decided to add their positive experiences with Neal to this thread. And now we notice that there are objections? I think it is impossible to limit someone’s freedom of speech if he/she has a positive message. It is hard hard to believe that some people apparently want an unlimited freedom to accuse of Neal of anything they see fit. And at the same time have the right to deny people with a different opinion to express themselves. Rant over. It is/was not/never my intention to hurt someone’s feelings. Blame it on my lack of skills to express myself in a language that’s not my native tongue. Feel free to contact mr. Admin if you think I crossed a line.

I have to ask. Do you honestly feel members are fabricating complaints just to attack Neil as you clearly imply?.

Also, members often post about their bad experience with a seller and make denigrating comments about the seller including a couple of the members defending Neal. Nothing is said. Why is this different?.

I feel sorry for people who don't have a hobby or interest to escape to.

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I have to ask. Do you honestly feel members are fabricating complaints just to attack Neil?

Also, members often post about their bad experience with a seller and make denigrating comments about the seller including a couple of the members defending Neal. Nothing is said. Why is this different?.

No. Please read carefully. I only wondered why some members wanted to deny positive comments in this thread. I think sometimes too much is said. There is a difference between sharing your experiences and calling someone a @#$%^.

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Paypal is pretty much his “bank account”. And he couldn’t even be bothered. They ruled in my favor. Why? He went silent on both me and Paypal. Clear cut case.

Maybe, just maybe, there can be excuses for him to go radio silence on me. Just maybe. But on Paypal too??? Seriously?

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RobertB wrote:
Cochise334ever wrote:
RobertB wrote:
Cochise334ever wrote:
A lot of you are posting on the Wrong thread.Read the title.

He has a thread where some had positive experiences.

People can post in any thread they like

Of course they can. But why categorize it then?

People can do whatever they want right? It just makes more sense to post it in the other one. But then again this is the internet it never makes sense.

Read the original post. Some guy who signed up just to bitch & complain. His first and only post from two years ago. It was never meant to be a “post only if bad” thread.


And I’ll say more, the OP stinks of throwaway sockpuppet.

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Jack Kellar wrote:
RobertB wrote:
Cochise334ever wrote:
RobertB wrote:
Cochise334ever wrote:
A lot of you are posting on the Wrong thread.Read the title.

He has a thread where some had positive experiences.

People can post in any thread they like

Of course they can. But why categorize it then?

People can do whatever they want right? It just makes more sense to post it in the other one. But then again this is the internet it never makes sense.

Read the original post. Some guy who signed up just to bitch & complain. His first and only post from two years ago. It was never meant to be a “post only if bad” thread.


And I’ll say more, the OP stinks of throwaway sockpuppet.

Another Neal fan on the Wrong thread! Lol! Facepalm Wink

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Cochise334ever wrote:
Jack Kellar wrote:
RobertB wrote:
Cochise334ever wrote:
RobertB wrote:
Cochise334ever wrote:
A lot of you are posting on the Wrong thread.Read the title.

He has a thread where some had positive experiences.

People can post in any thread they like

Of course they can. But why categorize it then?

People can do whatever they want right? It just makes more sense to post it in the other one. But then again this is the internet it never makes sense.

Read the original post. Some guy who signed up just to bitch & complain. His first and only post from two years ago. It was never meant to be a “post only if bad” thread.


And I’ll say more, the OP stinks of throwaway sockpuppet.

Another Neal fan on the Wrong thread! Lol! Facepalm Wink


People can post wherever they want, Cochise. And no, I ain’t no fan of him, but I do know who you are. Always eager to hop on the manicheistic narrative when it’s conveniently against him.

EDIT: And I also noticed just how snide you get whenever suspicion is raised on the post-and-run OP account so unusual to see in this forum. Pretty sus…

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Right… I had two bad experiences with Neal and that was enough. So if I have an opportunity to commiserate with others about his inadequacies, I post it. Is that okay with you? And when others protect him and defend him and discount the bad experiences of others, then I also post. For those that don’t like it that’s okay too.

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No. Please read carefully. I only wondered why some members wanted to deny positive comments in this thread. I think sometimes too much is said. There is a difference between sharing your experiences and calling someone a @#$%^.

I agree Henk4U2. There's nothing wrong with having a thread that allows members to share their experiences, be it positive or negative. However, when it morphs into a predominately "bashing" thread, how does that serve the community as a whole?

Furthermore, for anyone performing due diligence, as should be done prior to purchasing from a discount seller that carries such a broad range of products at such low prices, such as Neal's Gadgets, nobody should expect that type of seller to provide the same degree and breadth of customer support as a domestic seller who charges much more. There are obvious reasons why smaller and/or newer discount etailers from overseas are not going to meet the demands of every buyer on their website, it's just not possible! And quite frankly, anyone who buys from such, better do so while keeping "caveat emptor" in mind! If you do end up with difficulties, then at least you'll understand that you took that chance with eyes wide open.

Moving on, perhaps it's time for "sb" to reconsider combining the positive experiences thread with this one, as he previously considered in post #105. If that happens, I would then suggest changing the title and add a notice that clearly states something like, "all BLF members are asked to remain civilized and limit their posts to factual experiences only". This way, "sb" doesn't have to threaten punitive measures which would violate the spirit of the forum and preference for hands-off moderation.

If this thread is left as is, it's going to continue becoming less about giving members an outlet regarding the facts of their experience, as well as a source for potential buyers to fully consider what they've read before doing business with Neal's Gadgets, and more about an opportunity for certain members who simply prefer to bitch and moan for no other reason than doing so makes them feel better, or perhaps it's some perverted form amusement.

Now, I must ask "cochise334ever", why do you find it so important to stoke the fire of controversy? This appears to be a long running theme for you since your time on CPF. Such behavior got you banned from there, and I suspect that the feuds you instigate here have led to you changing your username several times already. Why must you be so obstinate?

Case in point: In your first post of this thread under a different username, you stated loud and clear that, "I am One and done with this Neal guy. I have no patience for irresponsibility".

Obviously "one and done" was only referring to your one & only purchase experience with Neal's Gadgets and not your perceived inalienable right to pile on the negativity, because after your initial complaint post, you went on to posts 5 more highly critical, commentaries over a 7-month span with an intention of ingratiating yourself with others who also had a bad experience. You could seriously consider that "if you don't have anything positive to say, then just don't say anything at all".

But then you come back here again and claim your interjection following what "PhT" had to add was to stay true to the thread's title, since there's another thread available for those who have had positive experiences in purchasing products from Neal's Gadgets. But your real motivation for trying to keep this thread solely about "negative experiences" is based on an intent to stir the pot for your benefit. You have been intentionally controversial for many years under the guise of "being an unapologetically honest person". You simply love fanning those flames, then arguing with whomever is willing to challenge his superior intellect.

"Hey dude (I know how you love that), are you seriously still bitter about Neal not responding to your emails fast enough? That was over two years ago! Perhaps it's time to go on one extended, 25,000 mile walk until you get the negativity out of your system.

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It’s the coupon codes. Neal does tie ups with promos and coupon codes. Customers like the coupons.

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I agree ..There is no need to be positive here about Neal . 

people here are here because he's screwed them and they can't get answers ,any solution or communication from a vendor . Feeling a need to defend him because you have had a positive experience  or think he's a swell guy is meaningless to a herd of people he's bulldozed .

 the thread exists not for people to say whether they like or dislike Neal . It solely serves as a warning to anyone who ever thinks about shopping from him . He's screwed over this many people ...guess what . There's no way in hell I'd recommend him . These threads serve as a warning to members of who is off their game... and who is rock solid . these threads don't exist for a vendor like Illum.com, Mountain Electronics ,and a huge number of reliable dealers .

 Having any discussion about what someone else says here is pure trollish bullshit . BLF invites people to have opinions and freely make comments .  The internet allows people to think they have a nifty anonymous way to take shots at what people say .

 The Don't be rude and play nice rules here mean keep someone elses  words out of your mouth .  I've always thought the Quote button is the quickest way to arguments and contention.  If for some damn dumb reason you can't keep from commenting  then at least just make a statement..and not react to someone elses comment .

  I've heard for years that Americans are arrogant when expecting someone from another country to have the same customer service etc as they might find at home .It dawned on me that honesty , compassion , fairness,communicating ,support,dealing with issues ......these aren't qualities or values unique to vendors or peoples in only a few countries .

  If a vendor sucks and you protect him from getting his bad behavior announced publicly   .  You are allowing him to further abuse members and not letting him learn the lessons he needs to grow into a better business.

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KnotSoMuch wrote:

… perhaps it’s time for “sb” to reconsider combining the positive experiences thread with this one…

+1

In this way we will show the pros and cons for an accurate evaluation of a possible purchase.

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Cochise334ever wrote:
Jack Kellar wrote:
RobertB wrote:
Cochise334ever wrote:
RobertB wrote:
Cochise334ever wrote:
A lot of you are posting on the Wrong thread.Read the title.

He has a thread where some had positive experiences.

People can post in any thread they like

Of course they can. But why categorize it then?

People can do whatever they want right? It just makes more sense to post it in the other one. But then again this is the internet it never makes sense.

Read the original post. Some guy who signed up just to bitch & complain. His first and only post from two years ago. It was never meant to be a “post only if bad” thread.


And I’ll say more, the OP stinks of throwaway sockpuppet.

Another Neal fan on the Wrong thread! Lol! Facepalm Wink

Another user from reddit. Go figure Facepalm Not a Neal fan, and the only thing I’ve bought from him was the original GT several years ago, and the original FW3A a few years ago. Tired of people whining, thats all.

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I’m tired of people whining about people posting their legitimate problems with a seller. This whole controversy started because a handful of people for whatever reason attacked the credibility of members posting about problems with Neal.

In the face of pretty overwhelming evidence, (negative postings on 3 forums that I know of and a review site) these members refuse to acknowledge or admit that Neal is a unreliable and irreposible seller. Very odd.

I never saw any member’s rights to free speech being denied or Neal being unfairly being accused or abused or not nearly as much as the members claiming that are accusing and abusing other members. A member or two seized on seems to be an innocuous statement to try to make that case. To me you fail.

So I believe a few people should let go of the hypocrisy, denial, and animosity toward other members and in the face of very convincing evidence admit that ordering from Nealsgadgets is a crapshoot and you stand a good chance of wasting your time and being disappointed and the members posting about it have valid complaints.

I feel sorry for people who don't have a hobby or interest to escape to.

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