Sofirn C01R deep red [sold out, discontinued]

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This is what worries me. This picture makes it look uselessly bright on low without mods.

I think this difference may be exaggerated by the camera and different wavelengths of light. When I compare C01R low with SP10S eco (0.5lm) they look comparable, at least by my eye.

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extremesquared wrote:
This is what worries me. This picture makes it look uselessly bright on low without mods.

I think this difference may be exaggerated by the camera and different wavelengths of light. When I compare C01R low with SP10S eco (0.5lm) they look comparable, at least by my eye.


Good to know, thanks. Understanding perceived brightness of non white light from looking at numbers or pictures will always be difficult. There’s also a huge perception difference just from focus of the beam, and this one seems to have a relatively focused beam. Nothing that I need this for couldn’t be done with a dim 5mm red LED, but it would be nice to have the build quality and flexibility of optional high modes.
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extremesquared wrote:
(...) and this one seems to have a relatively focused beam. (...)

Will do my best to find some alternative frosted/microlensed optic and suggest Sofirn to sell it as a spare/accessory part for C01R. Wink

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extremesquared wrote:
This is what worries me. This picture makes it look uselessly bright on low without mods.

I think this difference may be exaggerated by the camera and different wavelengths of light. When I compare C01R low with SP10S eco (0.5lm) they look comparable, at least by my eye.

Here is a comparison of the C01R low vs. SP10S eco (0.5 lm) @ 1/6s f/2.8 1m distance.

Here is a comparison of the C01R low vs. SP10S low (13 lm) @ 1/6s f/2.8 1m distance.

Hope that helps.

[edit: changed Pictures – the other ones did not do it justice]

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I’m still thinking it’s probably too bright for dark sky work as-is. I’ll re-assess when I receive it. Frosting will pull it down a few percent. It’s really easy to cut narrow bandwidth light with film. And realistically, we’ve become somewhat coddled by ultra-low long-runtime lights, which weren’t even available 20 years ago, so I have no reason to whine if it takes a little effort to make it usable.

Also I grabbed a couple of these 45 degree optics to check fit:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32999748949.html

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C01R is quite bright, especially for a deep red flashlight. Low mode could be lower, it is likely more than 1 lm. The beam is quite throwy.

You could add a filter or a diffuser to reduce light intensity, or you could move the flashlight further away from what you are looking at, if you need less light.

That said, I like C01R a lot, and it turned out a lot better than I expected. Except for the low mode being too bright, and perhaps medium mode being too close to high mode, everything else is great. It could be improved if low mode became the new medium mode, and there was a new sub-lumen low mode.

The low mode on my Emisar D4V2 and Emisar D18 with deep red SST-20-DR-B120-V660 emitters is a lot lower than the low mode on my C01R, and the high mode is a lot higher. I had these custom built by Hank, because I wanted a powerful deep red flashlight.

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Looking at the weegee’s last pictures posted, this is almost certainly prohibitively bright when used close up or in groups. If that’s a 10 degree optic, then a 45 degree should help a lot. Inverse tan^2 math puts center intensity of a 45 degree optic around 3% of the 10 degree optic, if that math is right. Dim AND focused lights are nice though for not shining in other peoples’ dark-adjusted eyes.

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I received mine last week Wink
First impressions: I like it !!
Second impressions: I like it, but…that High mode, on white room or with a “reflective” platform (including hands), gives me a headache!! Angry

It thows quite well on High, and even if on Low it is brighter than I expected, I still think it does a good job keeping “night” vision.
BTW, the anodizing is slighlty different from the C01. It can be seen on the reflex!

Some photos below, just because!
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Hey Unheard.. Does that microlensed optic just drop right in and replace the current one? Can you post a couple beam shots with it? Thxs.

 

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Hey Unheard.. Does that microlensed optic just drop right in and replace the current one? Can you post a couple beam shots with it? Thxs.



I’ll do later today.

The optics needs to be taken out of the white holder to fit into the C01R/S.

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extremesquared wrote:
(…) and this one seems to have a relatively focused beam. (…)

Will do my best to find some alternative frosted/microlensed optic and suggest Sofirn to sell it as a spare/accessory part for C01R. Wink

Cool! And it should fit into other Sofirns AAA-lights for multipurpose use? Or atleast hmm C01S-series.

And like many has said low could be a little bit lower even though does it affect that much on your nightvision if its low or ultralow? Well for my uses current low is pretty much spot on. More likely to use this as a fun outdoor light and safety light on backpack.

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extremesquared wrote:
(...) and this one seems to have a relatively focused beam. (...)

Will do my best to find some alternative frosted/microlensed optic and suggest Sofirn to sell it as a spare/accessory part for C01R. Wink

Cool! And it should fit into other Sofirns AAA-lights for multipurpose use? Or atleast hmm C01S-series. And like many has said low could be a little bit lower even though does it affect that much on your nightvision if its low or ultralow? Well for my uses current low is pretty much spot on. More likely to use this as a fun outdoor light and safety light on backpack.

Absolutely. My goal is that they offer a (microlensed/frosted) TIR lens that can be used for both C01S and C01R, regardless what LED is "under the hood". So far, SST-20 and XP-E2 are very small 3535 LEDs. I hope that E21A's footprint will not exceed any limitations of the TIR's lower aperture.

Regarding your requests to lower the low mode. I gathered all your helpful suggestions and feedback and reported them back to Sofirn to improving C01R as well as to achieving the best parameters for C01S with E21A. I have no information how much C01R lights are left for sale and if Sofirn plans to release a second batch once the first one is sold out.

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Honeycomb TIR C01R vs. standard optics C01S w/ Nichia 219*C*/4000K (I have no original C01S). AWB has obviously been adjusted to 4000K. Be aware C01S spot is significantly larger with the Nichia as opposed to the Luminus.

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Edit: Mixed up the Nichias.

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Hey Unheard.. Does that microlensed optic just drop right in and replace the current one? Can you post a couple beam shots with it? Thxs.

I'll do later today. The optics needs to be taken out of the white holder to fit into the C01R/S.

Would a sealed/glued head interfere with the idea to change the TIR lens by oneself?

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Unheard wrote:
gvmelbrty wrote:

Hey Unheard.. Does that microlensed optic just drop right in and replace the current one? Can you post a couple beam shots with it? Thxs.


I’ll do later today. The optics needs to be taken out of the white holder to fit into the C01R/S.

Would a sealed/glued head interfere with the idea to change the TIR lens by oneself?


I swapped the optics in one of the recent C01S. Takes some force to overcome red threadlock, but works and left no marks on the body. But of course, it is certainly not for everyone. OTOH, it can be very frustrating to open the head by accident. That’s a strong argument for glueing it imo.

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Had a little fun with a raw bead-blast C01S body and swapped the C01R light engine in. I think it actually looks pretty cool with the little red ring visible in the gap between the head and body. With a red tritium in the tail I actually think this would look pretty cool.


For those concerned with brightness on low, consider taking the head apart, and running this light as a mule. Without the optic, the floody red is much less intense on the two lower levels, and the extra bright high still manages to push out a lot of red. I will leave actual beamshots to someone with a DSLR. But here are some pictures I took with my phone for a rough comparison of what low looks like (in a lit room).

Stock TIR optic beam & beamshot:

Mule (no TIR/Optic) beam & beamshot:

Keep in mind for this to work you need to find a glass lens, or cut a small plastic disc out to fill the gap left between the head and pill, where the outer ring on the optic used to sit. without something there the head can screw down too far to have the light come on, and the LED is exposed. I made cut a small plastic disc out for my Mule C01S and have had zero issues.

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:

Absolutely. My goal is that they offer a (microlensed/frosted) TIR lens that can be used for both C01S and C01R, regardless what LED is “under the hood”. So far, SST-20 and XP-E2 are very small 3535 LEDs. I hope that E21A’s footprint will not exceed any limitations of the TIR’s lower aperture.


Regarding your requests to lower the low mode. I gathered all your helpful suggestions and feedback and reported them back to Sofirn to improving C01R as well as to achieving the best parameters for C01S with E21A. I have no information how much C01R lights are left for sale and if Sofirn plans to release a second batch once the first one is sold out.


Thank you and hope feedbacks and tips will be considered for improve both lights,would be great if you can advert us before the end of first batch,if there will be a second C01R batch
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Unheard wrote:
Lux-Perpetua wrote:

Unheard wrote:
gvmelbrty wrote:

Hey Unheard.. Does that microlensed optic just drop right in and replace the current one? Can you post a couple beam shots with it? Thxs.


I’ll do later today. The optics needs to be taken out of the white holder to fit into the C01R/S.

Would a sealed/glued head interfere with the idea to change the TIR lens by oneself?

I swapped the optics in one of the recent C01S. Takes some force to overcome red threadlock, but works and left no marks on the body. But of course, it is certainly not for everyone. OTOH, it can be very frustrating to open the head by accident. That’s a strong argument for glueing it imo.

I opened few glued heads with dipping them for a moment into boiling water. Screws off pretty easily after that.

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. I gathered all your helpful suggestions and feedback and reported them back to Sofirn to improving C01R

Thank you. Seems like lately everything I decide to buy comes from Sofirn. Tell them to keep it up!

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:

Regarding your requests to lower the low mode. I gathered all your helpful suggestions and feedback and reported them back to Sofirn to improving C01R as well as to achieving the best parameters for C01S with E21A. I have no information how much C01R lights are left for sale and if Sofirn plans to release a second batch once the first one is sold out.

Should be noted that I am the only one who seems worried, and I don’t even have one in my hand yet. That said, too bright a low would invalidate pretty much every one of the “Typical applications” listed in the lead post.

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I accidentally changed modes from Moonlight-Low-High to High-Low-Moonlight while chasing a wasp out of the living room this evening.

You really need to twist the Sofirn C01R quickly to change modes.

I found that I had to twist from OFF to ON eight times at a rate slightly faster than 2 twists to ON per second.

Now the thread/head feels a bit gritty. :-/

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TimMc wrote:
I accidentally changed modes from Moonlight-Low-High to High-Low-Moonlight while chasing a wasp out of the living room this evening. You really need to twist the Sofirn C01R quickly to change modes. I found that I had to twist from OFF to ON eight times at a rate slightly faster than 2 twists to ON per second. Now the thread/head feels a bit gritty. :-/

Thanks for your feedback. I will let Sofirn know about this, so they may slow down the rate a bit for more convenience when switching mode groups.

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I was given another suggestion:
Twist to OFF so that there’s about a quarter turn required to twist ON.
Press the head of the light like a ON button eight times and hold on the eighth press.
Each press should cause the light to switch ON. And it should power off and change modes when holding down for the eighth press.

This seems much easier than twisting.

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I accidentally changed modes from Moonlight-Low-High to High-Low-Moonlight while chasing a wasp out of the living room this evening.

You really need to twist the Sofirn C01R quickly to change modes.

I found that I had to twist from OFF to ON eight times at a rate slightly faster than 2 twists to ON per second.

Now the thread/head feels a bit gritty. :-/

Did you get the wasp out?

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Did you get the wasp out?

Yeah Silly

It was attracted to one of the LED bulb ceiling lights in the living room. I opened a door to the backyard a few metres away from the wasp and switched on the external lights. I then walked across the room and switched off the living room lights.

The wasp stopped bumping into the LED light and everything went silent. I used the C01R to find my way back to the door. The wasp had dropped to the ground and was walking around near the door. After a few minutes it finally crossed the threshold of the door. I slammed the fly screen door shut…. and then I spent another 5 minutes waiting for it to make it’s way further into the backyard so that I could open the fly screen door and close the actual door.

My wife reminded me that insects are attracted to light and I should probably stop shining the red light at the wasp. Silly

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Mostly they are attracted to the blue light component of ‘white’ LED/fluorescent light. You should be OK with the red light.

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RE: TIR Lenses

13.1mm Yaji

These removed out of the holders seem to be a match to stock C01S and I think they might be also what Clemence used for his special Jet-u run Nichia.

I wouldn’t bother with any of the narrow ones if the stock one isn’t what you want.

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I just put some DC-Fix on mine and it is close enough. Smooth with plenty of spread. Low could be a little lower but I have no complaints. It will work nicely in preserving night vision with the telescope.  Hi is very bright. Don’t see myself using it at all. 

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