Ultimate LED Bulbs - Ultra High CRI - The Honorable Quest

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contactcr wrote:
Does it support 120V, seems like it doesn't from their site? Also, too bad about no dimming.

Based on their published data from their website, its 170v mini.

 

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Alright I spent $99 on this Android app cause I was too lazy to install and carry a laptop all around my house for you guys

Thanks for the work! So, the recap:

  • EcoSmart CRI 83 / R9 11 / R12 75 / Rf 81 / Rg 90
  • Cree CRI 92 / R9 56 / R12 75 / Rf 83 / Rg 94
  • CEOM100 CRI 93 / R9 66 / R12 ? / Rf 87 / Rg 95
  • Builder CRI 92 / R9 60 / R12 78 / Rf 89 / Rg 97
  • GE CRI 81 / R9 16 / R12 61 / Rf 82 / Rg 98

Rise and Shine my precious...

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Cool app! I don’t see anything like that in the Apple store, though Sad

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Cool app! I don’t see anything like that in the Apple store, though Sad

It’s only for Android and it works alongside a USB device (color or spectral meter) plugged into an OTG cable. In my case the cheapest one, a ColorMunki Photo (now sold as: X-Rite i1Studio) I got off eBay second hand.

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SunLike wrote:
I just taked results of the SmartEcoLightning (who do SOLs)

I am going to do bulbs with their LEDs with UV and IR for plants (additional light). But it will be for eyes too. It is with extreme hight CRI too. I am going to do 6, 12, 18, 36, 110W


Triple pad LED? Are they high power? Maybe they would be suitable for flashlight use?

Though spectrum looks worse than the COBs. For bulbs, what advantage do they have?

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I just taked results of the SmartEcoLightning (who do SOLs)

I am going to do bulbs with their LEDs with UV and IR for plants (additional light). But it will be for eyes too. It is with extreme hight CRI too. I am going to do 6, 12, 18, 36, 110W


Triple pad LED? Are they high power? Maybe they would be suitable for flashlight use?

Though spectrum looks worse than the COBs. For bulbs, what advantage do they have?

It is for plants. Real power is 1.2w. Size is 3.5×3.5mm. You can solder it on standart cree star.

Also they will do COB with the same spectrum 19×19mm 14w.

Also this leds can be used for eyes. It is universal. For plants (additional light) and for eyes. It is the reason why I will do bulbs on it.

I will call it SunLike PLUS, after that will be StarLike (it is a sicret now)

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Weak. But if it overdrives well it might be a feasible E21A alternative….

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djozz wrote:

One of my Philips GU10 3000K ExpertColor bulbs: CCT=2982, duv=+0.0004, CRI=97.4, R9=87.8
One of my Philips GU10 2700K ExpertColor bulbs: CCT=2779, duv=+0.0009, CRI=97.7, R9=88.5

Thanks.

Can you measure max.temp of back surface of these lamps ?
for example, at open air at room temp, and , may be, in some ceiling lamp.

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Pardon me if this has been posted already but i just found these:

https://darksucks.com/collections/frontpage/products/ultra-high-cri-led-lightbulb

 

WTB Titanium 4sevens 2xAA tube

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Found the best “Candelabra” I’ve seen yet:

EcoSmart
60-Watt Equivalent B11 Dimmable ENERGY STAR Clear Glass Filament Vintage Edison LED Light Bulb Bright White

CCT 2990.3
CRI 92.3
Duv 0.0007
R9 59.5
Rf 87.8
Rg 95.1
R12 80.2

It’s a glass filament style bulb and dims down to what I estimate to be only a few percent. It honestly looks like incandescent low dimming, crazy.


Also tested a Feit 4ft tube light from Costco.

Meh, better than GE in all aspects including price but still looking for good high CRI one that isn’t crazy expensive.

CCT 3848
CRI 83.7
Duv 0.0018
R9 15.9
Rf 82.7
Rg 94.9
R12 61.4

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contactcr wrote:
Found the best “Candelabra” I’ve seen yet:

EcoSmart
60-Watt Equivalent B11 Dimmable ENERGY STAR Clear Glass Filament Vintage Edison LED Light Bulb Bright White

CCT 2990.3
CRI 92.3
Duv 0.0007
R9 59.5
Rf 87.8
Rg 95.1
R12 80.2

It’s a glass filament style bulb and dims down to what I estimate to be only a few percent. It honestly looks like incandescent low dimming, crazy.

Are these “vintage Edison” style LED bulbs as efficient as COB or SMD style emitters?
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contactcr wrote:
Found the best “Candelabra” I’ve seen yet:

EcoSmart
60-Watt Equivalent B11 Dimmable ENERGY STAR Clear Glass Filament Vintage Edison LED Light Bulb Bright White

CCT 2990.3
CRI 92.3
Duv 0.0007
R9 59.5
Rf 87.8
Rg 95.1
R12 80.2

It’s a glass filament style bulb and dims down to what I estimate to be only a few percent. It honestly looks like incandescent low dimming, crazy.

Are these “vintage Edison” style LED bulbs as efficient as COB or SMD style emitters?

100lm/W probably about right for 90CRI. There is a ton of phosphor so I imagine it makes up for lack of efficiency

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contactcr wrote:
100lm/W probably about right for 90CRI. There is a ton of phosphor so I imagine it makes up for lack of efficiency
Great, thanks. I saw some for sale at my local Shoprite. Just $0.99 for 60w ones, but non-dimmable.
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As far as I can tell the biggest difference in them is that they probably emit more light towards the base of the bulb so for certain fixtures designed for incandescent where you want the bulb to light up the entire fixture/shade they probably work better than the usual “front loaded” LED replacement bulbs.

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Hi guys,

Just a heads-up of another possible entry: our local LIDL had a bunch of different Livarnolux led bulbs manufactured by OWIM Gmbh advertised as Ra>=97 at 2700K for 6.99CHF (about 7$) for a pair. I bought 3 sets of 60W equivalent bulbs (810lm) model 312396_1904 (on owim.de website) with 9.5W consumption (not very good efficiency at 85lm/W). Unfortunately I don’t have any measuring equipment.

Some pics:



As you can see, it’s the usual plastic base with likely bad dissipation, but it does get quite hot during operation.

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The “CRI_grade” is another initiative to rank lights, this time on a discrete scale (à la energy efficiency norm), with an alternative formula

@fneuf, I just noticed your OP says (with french?) CRI_Grade is somehow related to the “à la energy efficiency norm”? that you linked. This is really confusing. CRI_Grade should not be explained with a comparison to energy efficiency. How about this:
- “CRI_Grade” is an initiative to Grade lights based on their color rendering, but with extra significance given to the weakest areas of modern LED technology.

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If someone want, there is REMEZ review from me (rus language)

there is some photos:


e14 5w & 7w and E27 7w works with 110-120v with ~1% pulse (measured by RADEX LUPIN)
E27 9w with 110-120v pulsed on ~25%
all of these works with 80-100v, but throbbing about 50%
in 9W there is 3.3uf, I upgraded it to 4.7uf, and now it works with 110-120v with ~1% pulse

If someone want to buy some REMEZ bulbs with international shipping ($6 for any order) or find out the price, you can do it HERE

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Tests of all types SMD3030 SinLike 6v with diffuser from GX53 + mixing + SunLikePLUS spectrum (growing and healthy for eyes) + cheap FAKE white LEDs + LED TV

reserve source

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Ukraine post is back from their 2 month holiday


I have a couple more coming to replace the hyperikon bulbs in my office

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All of those sunlike emitters look super impressive on paper. Do any of them look significantly better to your eye? At Rf+Rg = >195 , is tint and CCT the only perceivable difference? I’m really curious if the SunLikePlus has any noticeable effect in the real world?

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niktak11 wrote:
Ukraine post is back from their 2 month holiday I have a couple more coming to replace the hyperikon bulbs in my office

It’s your custom lamps ?

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JaredM wrote:
All of those sunlike emitters look super impressive on paper. Do any of them look significantly better to your eye? At Rf+Rg = >195 , is tint and CCT the only perceivable difference? I’m really curious if the SunLikePlus has any noticeable effect in the real world?

I’m not expecting them to look any better than the hyperikon bulbs they are replacing (those already look very pleasing to my eye). I’m mainly getting them because they should last a lot longer and should be healthier for my eyes in the long term.
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JaredM wrote:
All of those sunlike emitters look super impressive on paper. Do any of them look significantly better to your eye? At Rf+Rg = >195 , is tint and CCT the only perceivable difference? I’m really curious if the SunLikePlus has any noticeable effect in the real world?


Fake “white” VS SunLikePLUS

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Thanks for the pictures SunLike, but I’m not sure what the light sources are between the two photos? Obviously there’s a warmer CCT on the right with very good red saturation, but no clues to exact LEDs.

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Thanks for updating that. I think maybe I didn’t ask my question clearly, I apologize.

I understand there are HUGE differences between the SunLike LEDs vs any standard CRI “white” competitor. Your pictures illustrates that well.

What I’m wondering is if there is a visible (human eye only) difference between SunLike Plus and SunLike 12S in 4000K? The spectrum is radically broader, but do these far out wavelengths have a significant impact to our visual perception?

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JaredM wrote:
Thanks for updating that. I think maybe I didn’t ask my question clearly, I apologize.

I understand there are HUGE differences between the SunLike LEDs vs any standard CRI “white” competitor. Your pictures illustrates that well.

What I’m wondering is if there is a visible (human eye only) difference between SunLike Plus and SunLike 12S in 4000K? The spectrum is radically broader, but do these far out wavelengths have a significant impact to our visual perception?


I have a client who added a red-coated incandescent lamp (which gives red light) to a 4000k SOL. The camera responds well to this. Reflected red becomes larger. A perfect red gives an incandescent lamp – there are a lot of red in it. Personally, I have not yet tried to install such lamps at home. So far I have made 6C and 7w kit and 16 watts with SunLikePLUS LEDs, and they are with reflectors.


pictures from my buyer who add red:

Fixed white balance: SOL4000k | incandescent lamp | SOL4000k+incandescent lamp

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I added ColorMunki cri results to the chinese Marswell 40w 5700k bulb pics on google drive http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1593524#comment-1593524

4 other bulbs here and some flashlights, https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kcl_uOhgfpR4RSsa8F4b-UUVP9mkL6Cr

It would be appreciated if someone told me how to get a proper spectral graph out of argyll…god I hate cli.
ColorMunki does not work with CT&A, although I found 5.0 on the seven seas..

I only like high CRI. Collection:

Fireflies NOV-MU 21 4500k E21A

Fireflies ROT66 219B SW45 D220

Fireflies E07 Copper 219B SW45k? (odd/higher lumen bin with lower r9 and higher cct?)

Fireflies E07 219B SW45k

Fireflies E07x Pro sst20 FA4 4000k (mail)

 

Varmint removal:

Convoy M21A C8 ver SST20 4000k (5a)

Convoy S2+ SST20 4000k  FB4 (3200ma)

Memes:

BLF GT94

Emisar D18 660nm SST20 (mail)

 

 

CRI test dump https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kcl_uOhgfpR4RSsa8F4b-UUVP9mkL6Cr...

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JaredM wrote:
All of those sunlike emitters look super impressive on paper. Do any of them look significantly better to your eye? At Rf+Rg = >195 , is tint and CCT the only perceivable difference? I’m really curious if the SunLikePlus has any noticeable effect in the real world?

It depends what you’re looking at. Cyan, violet, red colors of the variety you can find on natural things can be drastically different with the Sunlike SOL.
My collared dove neck highlight looks rather bland under my Cree light https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mrF_6i-fTlYHS-yZhj-R0EYzLC_3hl3I , but under the mix of halogen/sunlike the neck highlights look a lot less dull. Manmade stuff you generally won’t see much different….

Sunlike’s cri comparison photo looks like a 80CRI with bad R9, which isnt really a fair comparison..

I only like high CRI. Collection:

Fireflies NOV-MU 21 4500k E21A

Fireflies ROT66 219B SW45 D220

Fireflies E07 Copper 219B SW45k? (odd/higher lumen bin with lower r9 and higher cct?)

Fireflies E07 219B SW45k

Fireflies E07x Pro sst20 FA4 4000k (mail)

 

Varmint removal:

Convoy M21A C8 ver SST20 4000k (5a)

Convoy S2+ SST20 4000k  FB4 (3200ma)

Memes:

BLF GT94

Emisar D18 660nm SST20 (mail)

 

 

CRI test dump https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kcl_uOhgfpR4RSsa8F4b-UUVP9mkL6Cr...

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Dalamar wrote:
It would be appreciated if someone told me how to get a proper spectral graph out of argyll…god I hate cli.

You could use HCFR for spectrum. The SPD graph generator from Argyll is not very pretty, but it does have one.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/hcfr/

edit: another option is to read the SPD data from Argyll and then paste the values into Osram Color Calculator

It can create TM-30 reports and also visualize the tint on a CIE graph. See contactr’s examples.

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I dont have access to my device/computer right now but here are some more tips.

 

I believe I used one of these two commands to get high res spectral output

spotread -a -x -H -s
spotread -a -x -H -s -N -O

Then I pasted or opened the data in a google sheet and ran a macro to transpose the data into columns and saved as a CSV file so it would end up formatted like this:

 

spectrum, measurement

spectrum, measurement

 

Then you can import it into Osram Color Calc as a spectrum CSV file.  You can create your own way to parse it but I just used google sheets as a quick and dirty macro cause I didnt have Excel w/ VBA or anything installed on that computer.


/** @OnlyCurrentDoc */

function Spotreadtranspose() {
var spreadsheet = SpreadsheetApp.getActive();
spreadsheet.getRange('1:14').activate();
spreadsheet.getActiveSheet().deleteRows(spreadsheet.getActiveRange().getRow(), spreadsheet.getActiveRange().getNumRows());
spreadsheet.getRange('2:5').activate();
spreadsheet.getActiveSheet().deleteRows(spreadsheet.getActiveRange().getRow(), spreadsheet.getActiveRange().getNumRows());
spreadsheet.getRange('3:5').activate();
spreadsheet.getActiveSheet().deleteRows(spreadsheet.getActiveRange().getRow(), spreadsheet.getActiveRange().getNumRows());
spreadsheet.getRange('A1').activate();
spreadsheet.getRange('A1').splitTextToColumns(SpreadsheetApp.TextToColumnsDelimiter.SPACE);
spreadsheet.getRange('A2').activate();
spreadsheet.getRange('A2').splitTextToColumns(SpreadsheetApp.TextToColumnsDelimiter.SPACE);
spreadsheet.getRange('A3').activate();
spreadsheet.getRange('1:1').copyTo(spreadsheet.getActiveRange(), SpreadsheetApp.CopyPasteType.PASTE_NORMAL, true);
spreadsheet.getRange('B3').activate();
spreadsheet.getRange('2:2').copyTo(spreadsheet.getActiveRange(), SpreadsheetApp.CopyPasteType.PASTE_NORMAL, true);
spreadsheet.getRange('1:2').activate();
spreadsheet.getActiveSheet().deleteRows(spreadsheet.getActiveRange().getRow(), spreadsheet.getActiveRange().getNumRows());
spreadsheet.getRange('A1:A106').activate();
var values = spreadsheet.getDataRange().getValues();

//loop over the rows in the array
for(var row in values){

//use Array.map to execute a replace call on each of the cells in the row.
var replaced_values = values[row].map(function(original_value){
return original_value.toString().replace('SPEC_','');
});

//replace the original row values with the replaced values
values[row] = replaced_values;
}

//write the updated values to the sheet
spreadsheet.getDataRange().setValues(values);
spreadsheet.getRange('A1').activate();

};

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