[♛ FreemeGB-NOV] Haikelite HT70 4*SST70 6500k 17000 lumens 18650 Flashlight - ALIVE!

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yea i agree its a bit optimistic rated the throw and lumens numbers… but its as always take such number with a big box of salt..

Well that all depends on who the manufacturer and/or builder is. Most are a little off, but I have not experienced such Over inflated numbers like this light since my T-Mart days in the beginning of my hobby 8 years ago!

They rated it 5000 Lumens too high and 500 meters Less throw than it actually has. Facepalm

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Basically it performs comparable to the MT09R, but with a bit more throw due to different emitters. I have no interest in this light as I don’t want to spend extra on 8 dedicated cells and an 8 bay charger specifically for this.

The batteries and/or chargers are not the issue for me. It is the light.

What about 2 × 4 bay chargers?! I have 5 × 4 bay chargers. I know not everyone does, but I would think most people have more than 1 × 4 bay charger?

I do have several. My Xtar VP4 is my main charger. I also have the Zanflare C4 and Lii 402. But these two often have slightly different terminating voltages. I know in real life it shouldn’t be a problem; it’s primarily an OCD thing. To me an 8 cell light needs an 8 cell charger.
This light would have been more interesting to me with 6 or 8 emitters and a slightly larger head for more heat dissipation. But then you probably need a different driver to prevent the risk of the FET going poof.

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8 bay charger, huh. That’s necessary?

It should run fine on 4 cells, if that helps you any.

I asume that much lumens its kinda bad to just run it on 4 cells dont u think ? better runtimes run with 8 imo.


MT09R only uses 4 cells and that can do over 16,000 lumen (certain ones). So 4 cells should not hurt it.

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yea i agree its a bit optimistic rated the throw and lumens numbers… but its as always take such number with a big box of salt..

Well that all depends on who the manufacturer and/or builder is. Most are a little off, but I have not experienced such Over inflated numbers like this light since my T-Mart days in the beginning of my hobby 8 years ago!

They rated it 5000 Lumens too high and 500 meters Less throw than it actually has. Facepalm


That is Haikelite for you. It’s not the first time they got specs way off. Sometimes I wonder if they just rate things by “theory” with no actual testing. IDK.

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JasonWW wrote:
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mortuus wrote:
yea i agree its a bit optimistic rated the throw and lumens numbers… but its as always take such number with a big box of salt..

Well that all depends on who the manufacturer and/or builder is. Most are a little off, but I have not experienced such Over inflated numbers like this light since my T-Mart days in the beginning of my hobby 8 years ago!

They rated it 5000 Lumens too high and 500 meters Less throw than it actually has. Facepalm


That is Haikelite for you. It’s not the first time they got specs way off. Sometimes I wonder if they just rate things by “theory” with no actual testing. IDK.

Yes,,,this is my First experience with Haiklite. Now I know what to expect. Unlikely I would buy one of their lights until one of you guys test them and the numbers are at least 75% to 80% of what they advertise!

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JasonWW wrote:
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mortuus wrote:
yea i agree its a bit optimistic rated the throw and lumens numbers… but its as always take such number with a big box of salt..

Well that all depends on who the manufacturer and/or builder is. Most are a little off, but I have not experienced such Over inflated numbers like this light since my T-Mart days in the beginning of my hobby 8 years ago!

They rated it 5000 Lumens too high and 500 meters Less throw than it actually has. Facepalm


That is Haikelite for you. It’s not the first time they got specs way off. Sometimes I wonder if they just rate things by “theory” with no actual testing. IDK.

It’s been awhile since the MT09R group buy and I do remember reading that they don’t have actual test equipment so all their numbers are based on calculations/estimates. Facepalm I think all small flashlight makers should just buy a Texas Ace lumen tube for output and cheap lux meter for throw. Not that expensive. Maybe Freeme can recommend that to them so they don’t make themselves look bad every single time they release a new light.

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They just probably make a wild estimate on the lumens and throw numbers, i wish they didnt just guess numbers out of the blue,, i remember from the mt09r gropbuy we were promised lumens etc it didnt turn out quite what was said first.. so same here its not really a big deal really they just make it sound the light is better then what is makes in reality… still a good deal imo dont see any other lights like this atm ?

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SKV89 wrote:
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mortuus wrote:
yea i agree its a bit optimistic rated the throw and lumens numbers… but its as always take such number with a big box of salt..

Well that all depends on who the manufacturer and/or builder is. Most are a little off, but I have not experienced such Over inflated numbers like this light since my T-Mart days in the beginning of my hobby 8 years ago!

They rated it 5000 Lumens too high and 500 meters Less throw than it actually has. Facepalm


That is Haikelite for you. It’s not the first time they got specs way off. Sometimes I wonder if they just rate things by “theory” with no actual testing. IDK.

It’s been awhile since the MT09R group buy and I do remember reading that they don’t have actual test equipment so all their numbers are based on calculations/estimates. Facepalm I think all small flashlight makers should just buy a Texas Ace lumen tube for output and cheap lux meter for throw. Not that expensive. Maybe Freeme can recommend that to them so they don’t make themselves look bad every single time they release a new light.

Thanks for the info.

That surprises me. They have to make enough money to buy that equipment. Maybe just laziness!

I remember johnnymac had to tell David from Thrunite how to measure properly. At least they had equipment!

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MATEMINCO owns a 1m integrated sphere if i am not wrong. HaikeLite measurements were reasonably accurate back in 2017?

Everyone wants to look good on paper as it has direct relation/impact with their sales. You can't really avoid, as it happens in almost all industries. 

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I think all small flashlight makers should just buy a Texas Ace lumen tube for output and cheap lux meter for throw. Not that expensive. Maybe Freeme can recommend that to them so they don't make themselves look bad every single time they release a new light.
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MATEMINCO owns a 1m integrated sphere if i am not wrong. HaikeLite measurements were reasonably accurate back in 2017?


Everyone wants to look good on paper as it has direct relation/impact with their sales. You can’t really avoid, as it happens in almost all industries. 


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I think all small flashlight makers should just buy a Texas Ace lumen tube for output and cheap lux meter for throw. Not that expensive. Maybe Freeme can recommend that to them so they don’t make themselves look bad every single time they release a new light.

True but reputation is important too. Olight sells the most flashlights and all of their lights measure higher than Olight’s specs in my calibrated lumen tube. My lumen tube usually measures lower than others on this forum. So even a company that under rates their products can sell really well due to their reputation and reliability.

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casi29061965 wrote:

You are Right, I got my HT70CW a few days ago and measured 255.600 Lux and 12.680 to 13.500 Lumen (powered by 8x Samsung-30Q button top battery).

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On Banggoods website there is a section for questions. One question was can it take FLAT TOPS? The answer was YES.

Q:Can it take flat top batteries?
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yes
Answered by wangyanyi on November 14,2019

Can you confirm or refute this?

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This is why I asked the question in post #82 about GA BT OR FT??

I would like casi29061965 to answer the question OR someone who actually has the light.

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BaronVonEissler wrote:
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You are Right, I got my HT70CW a few days ago and measured 255.600 Lux and 12.680 to 13.500 Lumen (powered by 8x Samsung-30Q button top battery).

Greets

On Banggoods website there is a section for questions. One question was can it take FLAT TOPS? The answer was YES.

Q:Can it take flat top batteries?
A:
yes
Answered by wangyanyi on November 14,2019

Can you confirm or refute this?

Thanks

This is why I asked the question in post #82 about GA BT OR FT??

I would like casi29061965 to answer the question OR someone who actually has the light.

Thanks

Two batteries are always in series and there is no battery holder, so if I’m correct that would mean it depends on whether the positive terminal of a battery will make contact with its negative end.

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Two batteries are always in series and there is no battery holder, so if I’m correct that would mean it depends on whether the positive terminal of a battery will make contact with its negative end.

True. But there is also a possibility that the length of two flat top GA cells in series is on the short side or too short to make proper contact.

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hIKARInoob wrote:
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Two batteries are always in series and there is no battery holder, so if I’m correct that would mean it depends on whether the positive terminal of a battery will make contact with its negative end.

True. But there is also a possibility that the length of two flat top GA cells in series is on the short side or too short to make proper contact.

lol! There is a reason why I asked casi29061965 OR someone who actually has the light…………other than that it is pure speculation. Wink

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You have to know your cells.
Sanyo GA are considered raised flat tops, not flat tops. If you look at them you can see they stick up and will make series contact.

Regular flat tops will not work.

Raised flat tops or button top will work.

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^^^^

Appreciate your opinions, but like I said, it is All speculation until someone tries these FT cells in this light.

Knowing cells helps but is not definitive until they are tried in the light! Every light can be different.

Still waiting for someone who actually Has the light! lol!

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^^^^ Appreciate your opinions, but like I said, it is All speculation until someone tries these FT cells in this light. Knowing cells helps but is not definitive until they are tried in the light! Every light can be different. Still waiting for someone who actually Has the light! lol!

I hate to say this, but your quite wrong. This particular flashlight is irrelevant. It only depends on the cells. If you have 2 of a particular cell you can see for yourself if they will make contact in series or not. Or better yet, take a single cell and a straight edge and see it the top extends above the wrapper.

Look at this picture, you see there is a black ring around the brass ? disc in the middle. This means the positive battery end needs to stick up a little bit. All button tops will work. All solder blobbed flat top will work. (The black ring is there for reverse polarity protection)

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Button top only. I thought i have mentioned before?

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Button top only. I thought i have mentioned before?

Yes you did mention it.

I will disregard the post on Banggood[Where the question was posed and replied FT will work] an one members opinion on here about FT!

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freeme wrote:

Dec 31. You heard NW model will only be available next month.


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@FREE ME. Thanks for the code. I am sure you are very busy but I can not make a decision until I get an answer about the availability of NW.As I mentioned in post # 27. I am interested in NW Only. When will that be available and how long is the code good for? Thanks

Are you still expecting December 31st as the “Target” date for NW to come to fruition?

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Unloco wrote:
Mine, shipped!

Update…

Mine is walking through China… 2 shipments… 2 tracking numbers… 1 returned to origin… 1 returning to origin…
It still did not leave China!

First tracking number: Hangzhou -> Beijing -> Shanghai -> Hangzhou.

  • 2019-12-09 06:30, Hangzhou, leaving the Hangzhou Center, the next stop , Hangzhou International Mail
  • 2019-12-08 18:43, Hangzhou, arrival in Hangzhou Center
  • 2019-12-08 14:45, Shanghai, leaving the Shanghai Central Bureau Mail Processing Center, the next stop , Hangzhou Center (via transfer)
  • 2019-12-08 02:57, Shanghai, arriving at the Shanghai Station Mail Processing Sub-Center (via transfer)
  • 2019-12-07 07:50, Beijing, leaving Huangcun Station, the next stop , Shanghai Station Mail Processing Sub-Center (via transfer)
  • 2019-12-03 13:29, Beijing, Beijing Post International return, note: security return
  • 2019-12-01 15:37, Beijing, Beijing Exchange Station Return
  • 2019-11-30 15:20, CHINA, EXIT OF ORIGIN
  • 2019-11-30 06:35, Beijing, delivered to air transport
  • 2019-11-30 06:35, Beijing, delivered to air transport
  • 2019-11-29 10:07, CHINA, PROCESSED IN OFFICE OF ORIGIN
  • 2019-11-29 10:07, Beijing, Beijing Post International has been exported directly sealed
  • 2019-11-29 00:50, Beijing, arriving at the International Mail Transfer Department (via transfer)
  • 2019-11-27 22:12, Hangzhou, arrival in Hangzhou Center
  • 2019-11-27 20:41, Hangzhou, leaving Hangzhou International Mail, next stop , Hangzhou Center
  • 2019-11-26 23:25, Hangzhou, leaving the Hangzhou International Small Package Collection Center, the next stop , Hangzhou International
  • 2019-11-26 20:41, CHINA, HOME COUNTRY ADMISSION
  • 2019-11-26 20:41, Hangzhou City, “Hangzhou International Small Package Collection Center” has received, pitcher: Sun Luzhu
  • 2019-11-24 16:43, Logistics order created

Second tracking number: Dongguan -> Guangzhou -> Beijing -> Guangzhou…

  • 2019-12-22 01:42, Beijing, leaving Huangcun Station, next stop Guangzhou International (via transfer)
  • 2019-12-20 20:35, Beijing, Import Customs Release
  • 2019-12-19 20:23, Beijing, arriving at Beijing Terminal (via transfer)
  • 2019-12-18 13:41, Guangzhou, leaving Guangzhou Terminal, the next stop , Beijing Terminal (via transfer)
  • 2019-12-17 21:59, Guangzhou, arriving at Guangzhou International (via transfer)
  • 2019-12-17 19:24, Dongguan City, leaving Dongguan International, the next stop , Guangzhou International
  • 2019-12-16 17:38, Dongguan City, leaving the “package express bulk business department back-office support class”, the next stop “Dongguan International”
  • 2019-12-16 17:32, CHINA, HOME COUNTRY ADMISSION
  • 2019-12-16 17:32, Dongguan City, “Parcel Express bulk business department back-office support class” has received, agent: dg3
  • 2019-12-13 19:51, Logistics order created

The package contains only a HT70.

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its one of busiest holidays around corner.. expect delays for packages to leave china.

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its one of busiest holidays around corner.. expect delays for packages to leave china.

Christmas is around the corner. Chinese New Year is January 25th to February 8th.

BUT his package started moving on November 26th, almost 1 month ago!There is not any progress,,very little at most. Facepalm

I am thankful for his post it helped me solidify my decision regarding this light. He may have to wait until late February or March! Totally unacceptable from an American standard and point of view.

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I know but still keep in mind that buying stuff from china just is what it is… tons of packages end of year, and also next year when chinese new year starts..

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its one of busiest holidays around corner.. expect delays for packages to leave china.

If they were so busy they would not be sending packages between one office to another, they would simply get rid of them sending them to destination…

What is happening is what in my country we call bureaucratic gymnastics.

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its one of busiest holidays around corner.. expect delays for packages to leave china.

If they were so busy they would not be sending packages between one office to another, they would simply get rid of them sending them to destination…

What is happening is what in my country we call bureaucratic gymnastics.

Thanks for the video! Big Smile

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If they were so busy they would not be sending packages between one office to another, they would simply get rid of them sending them to destination…


You think they are sending his packages between one office and another? I’ve never seen or heard of this happening. My assumption was the package was returned to the sender for some reason. I see this quite a lot and it’s happened to me a few times.

The tracking info is very confusing, but it looks like the first package was returned due a security concern. Maybe battery related? Hard to say.

So it looks like the package was sent again, but the 3rd party shipper sent it through a different mail hub or whatever hoping it would get through security and customs this time.

I guess we have to wait and see if it gets through.

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Hi Freeme

 

I'm Interested

 

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Okay.

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Hi Freeme

 

I'm Interested

 

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If they were so busy they would not be sending packages between one office to another, they would simply get rid of them sending them to destination…


You think they are sending his packages between one office and another? I’ve never seen or heard of this happening. My assumption was the package was returned to the sender for some reason. I see this quite a lot and it’s happened to me a few times.

The tracking info is very confusing, but it looks like the first package was returned due a security concern. Maybe battery related? Hard to say.

So it looks like the package was sent again, but the 3rd party shipper sent it through a different mail hub or whatever hoping it would get through security and customs this time.

I guess we have to wait and see if it gets through.

I don’t think there is any battery, at least nowhere says it includes them, if they come… welcome…! eight 18650 would suit me very well.
But… BG sends flashlights that include batteries by SG and not by CN.

Perhaps the “security” problem is that the party has lost some apostate and they suspect that wants to flee hidden inside a Haikelite HT70.

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