korpzgrinda wrote:

Great idea! I have pondered turning a Thorfire VG-10 into a quad, so it will be nice to check out your progress and gain some knowledge on the process. Good luck to you!

Major difficulty will be with the driver, I guess,but I’ll need to have it in hands to perceive it if it will fit well or not!

Thanks again and in case you decide to do the mod, good luck too

CRX wrote:

Happy you’re taking part

Thanks mate
Let’s see how this goes! It will not be a Fritz quad, but hope it will end up well
Thanks!

FINAL UPDATE #11 – 8th February 2020

For more details, see this post

The process of modding the Amutorch VG10 is now finalized!

This is a comparison between my initial modding aims and the final configuration
Here:

This flashlight was:	How I wanted it to be?	What it is!
– Forward Tail Switch - Black rubber tailcover - 4 + 1 mode UI (L-M-H-T + SOS, w/ memory) - 23 mm driver (chips on top, long spring below, brass ring on the edges) - XML2 U4-1A Led (Cool White) - Smooth reflector - Non AR Coated Lens - Detachable Pocket clip (reversible, not deep carry) - “Tactical” ring	1- Forward Tail Switch 2- Orange or Green tail cover 3- Bistro UI 4- 22 mm driver 5- 4 x Samsung LH351D 5000K 90 CRI or 4 Luxeon V 4000K 70CRI 6- Noctigon or Led4power MCPCB 7- Carclo 10622 or 10621 8- Titanium Stainless Steel pocket clip 9- Leather handle 10- Glowing gasket 11- GITD piece inlaid in the tailcap 12- some extras to be thought	1- DONE 2- DONE (Orange) 3- DONE (configured on mode 9) 4- DONE 5- DONE (Luxeon V) 6- DONE (led4power) 7- DONE (Carclo 10622) 8- DONE 9- DONE (call it “sleeve”) 10- DONE 11- DONE (orange tritium vial) 12- DONE (copper bead + lanyard, wood support, holster)

Some photos:

Beam Profile!

The luminosity evolution

In the wood support

And now, some glamour photos of the set!

Thanks for the all the comments and tips given here, and thanks for the opportunity to participate in the Old Lumens Flashlight Modders & Builders Challenge 2019 !

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Update #11 – 6th February 2020

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From CRX arrived a GITD gasket and a GITD tube and as soon as I got them I installed them

The installation took me a while because the optics were not fitting the MCPCB very well, so I has to pull the MCPCB up, install the optic + gasket, and then “unglue” the driver to pull the wires down again. Then I mounted the head and glued the driver again

I also installed the GITD tube in the holster adding an extra piece of thinner “paracord” in 2 empty holes. I opted to put it in that place because it will help me on locating the holster if needed.

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Update #10 – 4th February 2020

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I made a holster for this light!
I also attached the lanyard to the clip

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Update #9 – 29th January 2020

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This week arrived another piece for this flashlight!
The clip

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Update #8 – 27th January 2020

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Did some more work during the weekend!

1) made a bead for the lanyard (and started to make the lanyard)

2) made a leather cover for the tube and part of the head

3) put some varnish on the wood support

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Update #7 – 22nd January 2020

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The Luxeon V 4000K 70CRI on a quad mosX from led4power arrived and I soldered the driver wires to MCPCB.
The soldering process was a bit hard, I guess I need a new soldering iron tip Or maybe it was due to my lack of technique to solder them perfectly
I used 3 pieces of cork to lift the MCPCB a little bit to make ir easier to solder the wires! This can be my registered technique from now on
Below the MCPCB I applicate thermal paste. When mounted…it worked

After soldering everything I also drilled 2 “holes” in the pill through the back, using the shelf’s holes, in order to fix the pill with the 2 original screws that were holding the original Led MCPCB. This made it easier to fix the driver with UV glue (thanks for the tip Skylight!)

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Update #6 – 20th January 2020

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Some more updates from the last days!
Last Friday I received the copper pill + brass ring + optics (+ noctigon quad MCPCB) from kiriba-ru!
So, I gave it a try to mount everything in the flashlight’s head, in a provisory way, specially to check dimensions and fiting.

Please note that the Noctigon MCPCB will most probably NOT be used in the build, as I am waiting for a led4power MCPCB with 4 Luxeon V Leds installed.

Below I will show the pill’s and ring’s dimensions and the “experimental” mounting of these elements.

Mounting it up and….
As the Noctigon MCPCB is tall, there is a gap when everything is mounted. I believe this gap will be reduced or even extinguished when the led4power is put onto the pill, still, I had to file the bottom of the pill a little bit reding in about 1mm. Later i will see if it works properly

I also had to modify the head, creating a hole in the center of the shelf to allow the driver’s wires to pass. I used my Parkside drill and some bits to help me on that! That shelf is thick

As mentioned on the post, I solderd 4 leds onto the MCPCB.
I used solderding iron and electric stove. I don’t have solder paste, so I had to use solder wire and the clean/add/clean…. in order to fill the spaces for the leds to reflow correctly.

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Update #5 – 15th January 2020

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Some stuff arrived this week and some work have been done in the flashlight and the wood support
I’ll present it below!

WOOD SUPPORT
I decided I would do something more to the wood support, so I picked my pencil, the pyrography pen and some different tips and did this:

FLASHLIGHT
I just installed the orange tritium vial.

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Update #4 – 10th January 2020

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This week I received another component for this mod: the DRIVER!

This is a 22mm driver, double sided from Lexel, with Bistro OTSM Firmware.
As I still don’t have the pill, the optics nor the LEDs to complete the MOD, I just experimented the Driver to check if it worked fine, specially due to the differences in diameter and “architecture” if compared to the original driver.

a) Installing the spring and wire in the driver (tinned the bottom and the spring with some solder and then installed)

b) How it looks in a provisory way

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Update #3 – 12th December 2019

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I had some time tonight and made a little bit of the flashlight mod! The first and most insignificat part
I replaced the rubber cap!
The original was a black one, and I put an orange one. I had to cut some pieces of the orange rubber cap to make it fit above the switch and white spacer.
Below you find the photos of how the light is composed in the tailcap and the “mod”.

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Update #2 – 12th December 2019

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Filing, drilling, escavating the wood.

This is it’s current state! My aim is now to drill/file the bigger hole and make it even! That will be a “light window”

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Update #1 – 6th December 2019

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Got some materials and made the first work for this mod!

Materials

Sawing the wood piece

After sawing for a while…I got this, and I got the first casualty in this mod

pinkpanda3310 wrote:

I like the table of materials and how most of the suppliers are blf members

Looking forward to the build

Thanks pinkpanda! Well, that’s a think that will help me to organize myself and that will also let people follow the path! It will not be a big thing but I thought it would be nice!

And yes, I tried to value the community skills and products, as they have the “answers” for my “needs” in this mod

I may be bothering them with this, but it is a way to value their work!!

Thanks to all of them too

Update #1 – 6th December 2019

Yesterday I got some information about the pill + ring and driver.
Pill & Ring will be done/sent to me within the next 2 weeks;
Driver will probably be sent within the next week, depending on Lexel’s workload.

I also managed to find some stuff I needed to the mod “outside” the flashlight. I went to shoe cobbler here in the city and they sold me some leather and waxed thread for the handle. I also got a needles kit.
Fortunately, yesterday I also managed to get a piece of wood for an eventual extra within the scope of the flashlight mode. There was some tree maintenance near the place where I work and I managed to get a “good” piece of wood! It is still to be assessed if it will be good or not as I work on it. I may need to pick another type of wood for what I need…

I’ve worked on it for a while with the available tools (hacksaw and my Sanrenmu knife, and gloves, of course).
Here are the things I got and the work I’ve done so far!

Materials

Sawing the wood piece

After sawing for a while…I got this, and I got the first casualty in this mod

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Lesson 1: try to saw with appropriate tools
Lesson 2: use adequate materials for the things you want to do…

Stay tunned for the next episodes

pinkpanda3310 wrote:

Oh. My. Goodness. This is not the build I was expecting

MRsDNF wrote:

I’m looking forward to your mod MB.

Thank you MRsDNF!
Will update some things soon, although not much from the flashlight itself

During the last days I made some more “woodwork!!! This isn’t complete yet!
For those wondering what this will “eventually” be, it will be a flashlight support that I intend to use in 2 different ways!
When it is done, I will join check if it is indeed viable to use it and I will shown its purpose in the overal mod

Not having proper tools, this is what I’ve done using what I have and that is show in the photos.
Filing, drilling, escavating the wood.
In the last photos you’ll see that the woodpiece has a whole. Well, there was a “knot” there that I ‘had to’ escavate to avoid some aesthetic malfunction and it was also in purpose to use the wood for my second purpose that I will show later;)

This is it’s current state! My aim is now to drill/file the bigger hole and make it even! That will be a “light window”

Stay tunned

CRX wrote:

MRsDNF wrote:

I see a pipe.

Ahah, maybe a pipelight
That would be a nice idea, yes And with an hot rod like,it would be….smokin

MtnDon wrote:

This info may not be of use right now, but seeing what you were doing with the dremel and sanding sleeve reminded me of these. Kutzall makes some super burrs for removing wood, carving with wood. There are different shapes and degrees of coarseness. When they fill up with wood dust use a torch and burn them clean and work again. 1/8 and 1/4” shafts available. They do have sales every so often. Also good are their discs for angle grinders and their hand rasps.

Thats MtnDon! Those seem quite nice tools! Unfortunately I don’t even have “dremel” (as in the good ones!).
This is my tool that you see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZhzatfIFKs
It’s a cheap one, and I try the best I can with the bits it has (and some others I was offered last year).
Those bits (burrs?) the Kutzal has would be handy in this case! Thanks for pointing them

I had some time tonight and made a little bit of the flashlight mod! The first and most insignificat part

I replaced the rubber cap!
The original was a black one, and I put an orange one. I had to cut some pieces of the orange rubber cap to make it fit above the switch and white spacer.

Below you find the photos of how the light is composed in the tailcap.

Also, a justification of my options: Due to the “architecture” of the tailcap, shaped for a tall and fat forward clicky switch, and due to the diameter of the PCB, I will not use a Reverse Clicky Switch (lighted or not) in this flashlight . You can compare how different they are below. Also, I will not bypass the spring. The 4 Samsung or Luxeon will already drain a lot of juice from the cell, so I will avoid more power drain!

For those wondering about the wood piece, here’s a glimpse of what I want
BTW, the clip used in the flashlight is not the one I will use for the final mod.

And here is part of the reason why I will want the wood support !
The rubber tailcap doesn’t allow the flashlight to tailstand correctly, so, putting it into a “hole” will help to maintain it in “candle” position when needed!
Also, I will use a white cap from a liquid yoghurt to make a diffuser when I want to put the flashlight into the wood structure uspside down It will act like a “lantern” instead of a candle.

NeutralFan wrote:

Keep up the good work MascaratumB! I like your creativity and all the pictures you post.

pinkpanda3310 wrote:

Cool. A wooden holder for candlelight mode. That’s inventive.

It was inspired in something I am using for my “bedside” flashlight, an Sofirn SP32. I am using a piece of foam from an old perfume box. It works, but foam loses its shape and the flashlight starts to inclinate. So I thought about a more “rigid” structure. From then on…that’s what you’re seeing

MRsDNF wrote:

Peace pipe?

Ahaha, I guess some “peace makers” would need a pipe and a light to guide them through the way! I just hope this ends up well to make it work No smoke!

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BTW folks, I need some help here, please!
I want to put a tritium vial in the tailcap, in the lanyard hole. On the one side I will put the Pocket Clip, and on the other, a trit.
This is the shape of the lanyard hole.

My questions are:
1) what shall I use to glue it there? (ex: epoxy? UV glue?)
2) what techniques to you recommend so that I don’t damage the rest of the host while the glue dries?

I never used/placed tritium, nor epoxy, nor uv glue, so I don’t know the best procedure for this!

Any help is appreciated and thank you in advance

CRX wrote:

I use a piece of clear tape stuck to the inside of the loop backed with some blutak pressed against it to create a well with a very slightly convex floor then carefully place the vial into the lanyard hole onto the tape and adjust position with a toothpick.
It’s tricky.

Then once I’ve got the vial in place, level, making sure no vial parts (especially tube ends) are protruding past the light body etc I apply some UV glue with a toothpick by slowly dripping in small drops until there is a layer filling the bottom of the well & surrounding the vial.
To help eliminate bubbles you can apply tiny amounts of glue into the vial ends first before placing as there are small pockets on each end which often like to expel tiny air bubbles at just the wrong moment.

Set with UV light making sure no bubbles are hiding, then slowly apply more glue to fill the well some more and harden again.
Fill to a level that covers the vial and is as flush as possible with the body of the light, again tricky due to the curvature.
Then you can remove the tape, give the inside a clean with cottonbud & ISP etc and apply another thin layer to the backside to help protect the vial some.
Hope that gives you some ideas

Mate, you’re a life saver
Thank you so much for the detailed explanation and also the link for the UV glue!
The process I had in mind was more or less similar to what you described, but those tips will help, as I never manipulated those materials! Specially to check the bubbles part!

I guess I will be able to do that according to these guidelines!
If it was a hole prepared for tritium, it would be easier but this can be tricky!

BTW, do I need to make any special preparation of that hole (besides cleaning it well before starting the process)?

Thanks again for your reply mate

And… those lights

CRX wrote:

Just make sure it’s all clean, the tape has no leaks etc.
The hardest part is lining up the vial and air bubbles. I put the glue onto a flat plastic container lid and apply from there with a dropper implement, not straight from the bottle.
Still don’t think I’ve managed to do this perfectly but I’ve tried a few times

Try a practice run or two by making little wells in blutak, another practice light or something similar and small cuttings of wire etc to mimic the tritium vial to get a feel for it.

You can dissolve the glue slowly with acetone or blast it with a jet lighter to soften and remove, but hopefully you wont need those

Thanks again for the tips mate Well, if I create a buble trit, would it count some more points as double mod? Eheh!

I guess I will do as you say, try and practice in other flashlights to see how it is done and then I get back to the VG10! I don’t wanna ruin it before it’s done

I am thinking about putting the tape in the outer part and drop the glue and trit from the inside of the tailcap (with the rubber cap removed of course!). Let’s see how it works

And thanks again

NeutralFan wrote:

Great info CRX! Looking forward to see how it works out for you MascaratumB.

So, no work these few weeks, but I ordered some stuff I needed, namely: UV glue, tritium Vial, pocket clip.
Despite I initially put a “titanium” clip as aim, I opted for a Stainless Steel one!

I also got notice from kiriba-ru that my package with the pill, optics and Noctigon MCPCB were already shipped!
Despite this and despite I like the Samsung LH351D A LOT, is is probable that I will order Luxeon V Leds from Led4power… Yet to be decided

I also updated the tables on post #1 with the prices and the aims of this mod.

pinkpanda3310 wrote:

Nothing wrong with stainless clips. There’s a reason the market is full of them