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The story that was transmitted from animal to man is absurd

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Come on guys, don't panic. Our immune system will work. Not a chance to get sick from a few viruses, you'd need to spend a week with infected family to consider the risk as real.

 

The biggest virus right now is probably the media itself feeding on this story in a frenzy.  Need to give our immune systems a little more credit and we'll be fine. 

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Very true kirman.

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makapuu wrote:
From what I’ve read so far, medical researchers seem to agree the virus has a 4 to 6 day incubation period in the body.
They’re now saying it’s more like 2 weeks, which is a lot worse.
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I’m trusting in the Lord Jesus to keep me safe until the day He wants me to come home to Him.
Psalm 91:3 says, “For He will rescue you from the hunter’s trap and from the deadly pestilence.”
Nonetheless, I still act sensibly: eat right, take a multivitamin with chelated minerals, wash hands, etc.
No use worrying.

I’m trusting in myself to keep me safe by keeping away from Chinese people for a while .
Kevin Zambuto’s note book ,
Page 1, paragraph 2, swerve Chinese people with deadly viruses. Big Smile
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Chinese wet markets are disgusting and I am surprised this type of thing does not happen more often.

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Nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

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Nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

Where have I heard that before.

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To put things in perspective, one has a higher chance of being killed by a dumba** driver in a traffic accident, or by catching the flu.

Even if the Chinese government was under-reporting the number of cases by a thousand fold, that would be ~2.5 million cases and 80 deaths thus far in a country of almost 1.5 billion people.

This virus doesn’t appear to be as lethal as SARS was, and nowhere near the mortality rate of the Ebola virus.

That said, recognition and containment is paramount in the new discoveries like this, but for most people in their day-to-day lives, they’d be making themselves safer by not burying themselves in texting while driving or crossing the street, and those actions are entirely within their control.

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agreed

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The story that was transmitted from animal to man is absurd

Wait, what? You can look this up …

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Recently, snakes were suggested as the origin of this virus, which was surprising and contrary to the assumption that this would be traced back to bats.

Information (as well as speculation) now seems to be flowing more rapidly with this outbreak, and the snake hypothesis has been challenged by many since it came out. Click here for a more detailed discussion of the links between this novel coronavirus, bats and snakes (or not), for those who are interested.

I’m sure we’ll see much more genetic analysis of this virus by many different groups, but I suspect it will keep coming back to bats as the source. How it made it to humans will still be a big question, since it’s quite likely there was a different species that bridged bats and humans (as was the case with raccoon dogs and civets with SARS).

If you find the whole idea of zoonoses absurd, some reading might be informative. Or not, of course.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/302/5643/276

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Zoonotic Diseases | One Health | CDC Search domain www.cdc.gov/onehealth/basics/zoonotic-diseases.html https://www.cdc.gov/onehealth/basics/zoonotic-diseases.html Zoonotic diseases are very common, both in the United States and around the world. Scientists estimate that more than 6 out of every 10 known infectious diseases in people are spread from animals, and 3 out of every 4 new or emerging infectious diseases in people are spread from animals.
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one has a higher chance of being killed by a dumba** driver in a traffic accident

Yep. I figure my biggest health risk these days is the time I spend on the freeway driving to see my primary care doctor. Second biggest risk is walking the dog, for which I carry my highly effective strobe flashlight driver-attention-getter. I wish I had aircraft-type strobe lights on my car, but there’s probably a regulation against that.

Thanks for that pointer to the well done CBC info at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NHO_VeFDhw

“Remember the virus only has the special keys to lock it into your lungs ….. it is not floating around in the air …the mask stops you from touching your face”
[don’t touch your face, watch your hands]”

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A virus is an inert material that can be reactivated in your system once you get it. Like a cold sore. Once you get one, chances are you get several more over the years. You never get rid of herpes. It’s a virus. Bacteria on the other hand doesn’t recur, once you’re rid of it unless you expose yourself to it again.

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Sari33 wrote:
The story that was transmitted from animal to man is absurd

I don’t know if you were thinking of tongue wrestling with a squid, or something more intimate.

But how about a worker handling dying animals, who then has to scratch his nose.
Chinese people are not known to be notorious hand washers, not even in health care.

You are a flashaholic if you are forced to come out of the closet, to make room for more flashlights.

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Apparently it can be in the body for 2 weeks for the incubation period.
I heard on the news that China is planning to extend the Chinese New Year because of this virus.

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Yes, it’s ture that we will extend our holiday for 1 week. Coronavirus situation is making us nervous but still in control, People in China are being advised to stay at home.

We buy many commodities from online stores. The thread title is misleading, not true. The coronavirus can survive in the air less than 2 days.

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I will be getting a package from China in a few days. Right now we are at the 10 day mark since it was mailed. It is 90 miles from me, probably get it Wednesday.

I wanted to make sure I COULD NOT get it if one the the people from Banggood who handled the package, had the virus.

https://www.kare11.com/video/news/verify-can-you-get-coronavirus-from-pa...

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Just remember the ancillary discovery from all this kerfuffle: handwashing with soap for 20 seconds is not a regular habit in China.
Supplying hand soap in bathrooms is said to be not a common practice.
So we can rely on the odds being good that at least wiping off any product from China, say with dilute alcohol hand cleaner, is at least not a bad idea.
Not because of short-lived viruses, which will expire. Because of what’s technically called “other guck” that might still be present.

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Some visual perspective on where it is and isn’t
Wuhan Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Global Cases (by JHU CSSE)

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Should I clean my torches wit antibacterial soap ? When they come

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hank wrote:
Just remember the ancillary discovery from all this kerfuffle: handwashing with soap for 20 seconds is not a regular habit in China. Supplying hand soap in bathrooms is said to be not a common practice. So we can rely on the odds being good that at least wiping off any product from China, say with dilute alcohol hand cleaner, is at least not a bad idea. Not because of short-lived viruses, which will expire. Because of what’s technically called “other guck” that might still be present.

I will be prepared when my HT70 Arrives. Surgical gloves and 91% Isopropyl alcohol to wipe off the potential filth! Big Smile

A brand new bottle in the cabinet in case those 2.2 ounces is not enough! Wink

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I think I’ll do that also , and a blast of uv light

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A few numbers, just as a reminder to wash your hands, early and often, and don’t touch your face:

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Nasty bugs like coronaviruses can last for days on objects. The sinister sounding Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (more commonly known as MRSA) lasted longest (168 hours) on material from a seat-back pocket while the bacteria Escherichia coli O157:H7 (also known as E.coli, which can cause kidney problems) survived longest (96 hours) on the material from the armrest of planes, according to research presented in 2014 to the American Society for Microbiology.

In an attempt to remain competitive, airlines have decreased their turnaround times in recent years. Many budget airlines have reduced turnaround times to 25 minutes by removing the seat pockets. Other airlines have managed to have long-haul turnaround times of 90 minutes. Not only do planes get new plane load of passengers, they often get a completely different crew. Deep cleans are not always possible during such turnarounds, which could aid in the transmission of the coronavirus….

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-the-mysterious-coronavirus-from-ch...

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Viruses don’t live in the flashlights

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jfc

“The common cold” has two “ends” to it – there’s the one where you get a few sniffles (rhinovirus) and the one where it’s almost influenza symptoms, aches and pains, etc (coronavirus). That’s what is it, a bad cold. If you are immunocompromised you might be in some trouble, but if you’re otherwise healthy, it’ll suck but you’ll be okay most likely.

If you’ve ever legitimately had Influeza B and survived, you know what it’s like – 2 days in bed feeling like absolute hell, in a lot of muscular pain – Coronavirus isn’t as bad as this.

Outside of a host (body, etc), I’d give it 24 hours at absolute max survival.

Source: have spoken to my (immunologist) wife about this extensively. It’s all very fun for the media to whip themselves into a lather about this because it reinforces the nationalist narrative agenda.

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^^ Some good common sense there thanks.  Here is some more non fear mongering info about someone who has worked with the coronavirus for 30 years.  https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/expert-says-coronavirus-epidemic-should-be-contained-within-a-few-weeks/ar-BBZo2pA

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I don’t particularly want to get it, but if I do, I know I’ll be off work for a little and that’s it. I’ve survived Influenza B when I was in worse health than I am now, so I’ve got no real worries about this.

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