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Couchmaster wrote:
Number of “new cases” means zero, nothing.

Number of “deaths” is significant and the number to watch. Death numbers are not following the “new case” upward curve but remain relatively flat. That we all overreacted will be discussed for years, but the fact remains that Covid is approx twice as fatal as the flu, the death rate hovering under 3% depending on the numbers you pull, is true. If you are over 80, that number isn’t your number and getting Covid is a huge issue.

That is totally subjective.

The way you treat the data can totally change the overall picture. The exact figure is definitely bellow 0.1% In fact, there is no strict scientific (medical) methodology, there is only QUOTA.

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According to the numbers, Covid 19 is reported to be about 5 times more deadly than the flu.

Which flu ? According to numbers (correctly treated) the 2020 flu “exceptionally called COVID-19” is not worse than 2017 flu figures.

Why would you need to stop the entire economy because of a seasonal flu ? Look at this diagram, what is the main cause of death ? Should we stop selling alcohol, cigarettes and sugar because of cardiovascular diseases ? Did the (((WHO))) killed low and middle class economy because people are suffering from heart diseases ? Of course not.

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Our economy is going to slow regardless if the government does nothing at all. Much less has brought our economy to it’s knees. 9/11 was a one day event that caused a recession. We are not even at the 1 year mark and the world wide death toll , even with much mitigation, is still much higher than most flus. Deaths due to car accidents and whatnot are irrelevant.
The Spanish flu is close. Much can be learned by studying how deaths surged in cities that ignored it. I maintain that if this wasn’t an election year we probably would not be having this conversation.

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pennzy wrote:
Our economy is going to slow regardless if the government does nothing at all. Much less has brought our economy to it’s knees. 9/11 was a one day event that caused a recession. We are not even at the 1 year mark and the world wide death toll , even with much mitigation, is still much higher than most flus. Deaths due to car accidents and whatnot are irrelevant. The Spanish flu is close. Much can be learned by studying how deaths surged in cities that ignored it. I maintain that if this wasn’t an election year we probably would not be having this conversation.

Elections and politicians are just entertainment.
By the way, the so-called “Spanish flu” wasn’t coming from Spain.

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According to the numbers, Covid 19 is reported to be about 5 times more deadly than the flu.

Which flu ? According to numbers (correctly treated) the 2020 flu “exceptionally called COVID-19” is not worse than 2017 flu figures.

Why would you need to stop the entire economy because of a seasonal flu ? Look at this diagram, what is the main cause of death ? Should we stop selling alcohol, cigarettes and sugar because of cardiovascular diseases ? Did the (((WHO))) killed low and middle class economy because people are suffering from heart diseases ? Of course not.

!https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/exports/annual-number-of-deaths-by-ca...!

You don’t have seasonal flu on that chart. But even if you assume incorrectly that lower respiratory infections is a equivalent variable representing the seasonal flu, the numbers on the chart disprove your conclusion. We’re only a half-year into the pandemic in most of the world. We could easily see the world death total from COVID-19 go well over 2.5 million in one year – even with the distancing, masks and shutdowns of entire nations that we’ve seen so far. Without any social distancing or masks or shutdowns from the beginning, that number could have been reached in a year within the USA alone, according to epidemiologists. So, the data in your graph is not at all supportive of your conclusion.

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John75 wrote:
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Our economy is going to slow regardless if the government does nothing at all. Much less has brought our economy to it’s knees. 9/11 was a one day event that caused a recession. We are not even at the 1 year mark and the world wide death toll , even with much mitigation, is still much higher than most flus. Deaths due to car accidents and whatnot are irrelevant. The Spanish flu is close. Much can be learned by studying how deaths surged in cities that ignored it. I maintain that if this wasn’t an election year we probably would not be having this conversation.

Elections and politicians are just entertainment.
By the way, the so-called “Spanish flu” wasn’t coming from Spain.


The origin of Covid is also irrelevant. Just a distraction.
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These psychopaths are quite good clairvoyants, aren’t they ??

They will try to use this CV19 nonsense to force the vaccines on everyone…


The Truth about Vaccines

Primary Reasons Not To Get The Flu Shot
http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=12642

Dissecting the Corona vaccine
https://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=15814

There are cheap natural cures and treatments without the need for any poison by the big m@f$a$$$…

For those who are still under this dark spell Facepalm , stop wasting your time, and please… just wake up…

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I’m kinda disappointed that you didn’t tie George Soros into all this. But I’m grateful we don’t have any psychopaths posting in this thread. Thumbs Up

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Don’t be cutting us short quite yet. Wink

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I’m kinda disappointed that you didn’t tie George Soros into all this. But I’m grateful we don’t have any psychopaths posting in this thread. Thumbs Up

Well, I think he’s too busy destabilizing countries and supporting paid clowns of the peaceful color revolutions with the hand signs, around the planet .. Smile

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Your idea of accusing others of being biased is unfunded or funded in non factual evidence.
Therefore it may be considered as biased itself and therefore it is ineligible for further debate…

THIS.

There is a lot of stupid out there that tries to hide behind Google search results found.

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The origin of Covid is also irrelevant. Just a distraction.

This can’t be said enough. Viruses can spring up anywhere around the world. It’s how that locale deals with it that matters. If the virus started in the USA, the efforts to contain it would’ve kicked in later than it did in China. And that’s largely due to China being a more authoritarian state. Talk about shutting down… Wuhan was locked down pretty quickly. It would’ve been sufficient with respect to previous SARS outbreaks. But COVID19 proved itself to be a much harder problem to tackle, for its extremely long asymptomatic phase—that didn’t become apparent until many months later. Unlike anything ever before seen in virology. Once out of China, it became the global pandemic Corona Virus. And that’s all it should ever be referred to as being. Blaming it on China is a stupid, ignorant distraction that accomplishes nothing. It’s a weak ego blame game, to deflect responsibility. It’s a global issue now. Every country needs to step up & do it right. Citizens massing together to resist the proper measures “in the name of freedom” have only exacerbated it. Darwin at work.
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Thunderay wrote:
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I’m kinda disappointed that you didn’t tie George Soros into all this. But I’m grateful we don’t have any psychopaths posting in this thread. Thumbs Up

Well, I think he’s too busy destabilizing countries and supporting paid clowns of the peaceful color revolutions with the hand signs, around the planet .. Smile

The Soros Foundation promotes democratic institutions and healthcare for the poor – which, of course, authoritarian regimes describe as “destabilizing countries.” You know that’s true, dovarich.

And the Covid-19 pandemic was predicted years ago, not by clairvoyants, but by scientists. See, e.g.,

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/06/scientists-predicted-coronavirus-pandemic/613003/

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/07/coronavirus-epidemic-prediction-policy-advice-121172

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200325-covid-19-the-history-of-pandemics

Dasvidaniya!

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The irony of attacking Johns Hopkins data as biased because of a philanthropic contribution is so 2020. Johns Hopkins was of course just another Bill Gates. His money left an institution that has contributed significantly to society for generations. Many significant breakthroughs and lasting positive impact. In 2020 Tucker Carlson can be seen as authoritative and Johns Hopkins, the institution, as suspect and biased. Bizzaro world indeed.

As I child I remember the old timers talking about the 1918 pandemic. I remember seeing many people with Polio braces and other deformities from that infectious disease. I remember measles and mumps. I remember the Swine Flu debacle. The scientists don’t always get it right for sure. However, there has been real and meaningful progress in my lifetime that is now being destroyed by people who promote ideas that simply are not true.

Watching the IHME projections a month ago I was hoping they would be wrong. They have changed their models several times because in the end they have no control over peoples’ behavior and can only guess how people will act. Apparently they were guessing pretty well as their projections from a month ago are being born out in the numbers today. When I see a long track record of predicting the future of such a complex thing be reasonably accurate I give that some serious credence. Nothing on the other side has come close to an accurate representation of future reality.

The idea that COVID is not that deadly and that the numbers are the result of bias is as ludicrous as the 10,000 lumen claims for single XM-L lights. In order to believe that this is not that deadly one would have to believe that the mass graves were some sort of stunt. That somehow the excess deaths that are being recorded — significantly higher that those attributed to COVID — are not really happening. Or, back to the flashlight example, that the CREE data sheets are biased and the ebay seller claiming 10,000 lumen actually has the accurate number.

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What’s really troubling is that things like QAnon are going mainstream. Even working their way into government.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/02/majority-of-republican...

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Yes, I need to post on the other thread about movies you watched last. The Social Dilemma. Very unsettling with what is going on today. Of course it is just an evolution of the the fundamentals defined by Whitaker and Baxter. Just far more potent with advances in technology. Also there is no longer any attempt even at some sort of moral value. Pure exploitation in order to gain power. Lee Atwater would be amazed at how far things have progressed in such a short time.

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More and more stuff to scroll by without reading. This topic risks becoming trollbait.

Eschew!

Meanwhile, in the real world:

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The disease is rapidly spreading nearly everywhere in the country, but our Health desk reported that some of the worst hit regions still resist wearing masks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/mask-wearing-coronavirus-hot-spots...

“In your grocery stores and in your restaurants and frankly, even in your hotels, this is the least use of masks that we have seen in retail establishments of any place we have been,” the White House’s coronavirus task force coordinator, Deborah Birx, told reporters after touring North Dakota, which has the highest covid-19 death rate in the United States.

Meanwhile, a non-peer-reviewed analysis of cases in Tennessee by Vanderbilt University found that regions without mask mandates also have the highest rates of hospitalization for covid-19.

https://s2.washingtonpost.com/camp-rw/?trackId=5ced5692ade4e21968ecfd82&...

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As I child I remember the old timers talking about the 1918 pandemic. I remember seeing many people with Polio braces and other deformities from that infectious disease. I remember measles and mumps. I remember the Swine Flu debacle. The scientists don’t always get it right for sure. However, there has been real and meaningful progress in my lifetime that is now being destroyed by people who promote ideas that simply are not true.

Yep. And how many of you youngsters remember seeing smallpox-marked faces around you every day, as a normal thing?
And do you know why you don’t have a smallpox inoculation scar on your arm, when the old folks around you all do have them?

Remember that when you hear an anti-vaccination rant.

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And do you know why you don’t have a smallpox inoculation scar on your arm, when the old folks around you all do have them?
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Remember that when you hear an anti-vaccination rant.

I do! I do! But(t) I have no scar on my arm Blushing

Two of my class mates in elementary school had a prolonged “holiday” because of TBC.

I’ve actually seen people with polio pushed to church in “iron lungs”.
Even now reporters are less welcome in that small town where praying was preferred over vaccination.

You are a flashaholic if you are forced to come out of the closet, to make room for more flashlights.

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Yes, I need to post on the other thread about movies you watched last. The Social Dilemma. Very unsettling with what is going on today. Of course it is just an evolution of the the fundamentals defined by Whitaker and Baxter. Just far more potent with advances in technology. Also there is no longer any attempt even at some sort of moral value. Pure exploitation in order to gain power. Lee Atwater would be amazed at how far things have progressed in such a short time.

I will check it out.
I’m really fascinated by human psychological capacity for belief in conspiracies, to the point of fervently seeking out ANY tidbit of content they can find that fits their narrative and “sounds like facts.” We have at least 3 text book cases of such deluded individuals, actively participating in this very topic. They don’t relent, despite numerous proverbial hand slaps. They… are in a mental quagmire.
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Other conspiracy theories dispute your conspiracy theory.

I admit that made me chuckle.

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The Soros Foundation promotes democratic institutions and healthcare for the poor – which, of course, authoritarian regimes describe as “destabilizing countries.” You know that’s true, dovarich.

Dasvidaniya!

I appreciate you sense of humor. Irony and “grotesque” are not easily blended, but you did it. Keep going on !

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… Certain attributes, such as the shape of one’s body, and certain behaviors, such as loud talking or breathing fast, appear to have a major role in spreading the disease.

”They’re not sneezing. They’re not coughing. They’re just breathing and talking,”… “They might be shouting. They might be singing. Karaoke bars have been a big source of superspreading events. We saw one at a spin cycle club up in Hamilton, Ontario, where people are breathing hard.”

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/10/why-people-are-corona...

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I got 4 hours of sleep last night and now I am going to recall a youtube video from 2 to 3 years ago. Let’s see how this goes…

Two or three years ago I was watching a youtube video from a voice actor (Booth Junkie?). And he described doing what seemed like a typical gig. He was hired to read a script in front if a green-screen. It was asking gamers to help another gamer defeat something or something. He did it, got paid, moved on to the next job. Next thing he knows his (Fiver?) account was suspended. It turns out the footage was part of a scam for money from the gamer community, and it worked. He was banned from what was his main source of income.

I bring this up to discuss the production of conspiracy theory videos. You could, in theory, be some random American-hating guy and hire a voice-actor to read your script. Ask him to wear a lab coat. Edit in a hospital background, or whatever, and create a production from clips like this. With the level of production I have seen some of the conspiracy vids posted here, I think there is HUGE profit in a viral conspiracy video. Maybe they could make similar profits to real movies, all while feeding the hate in America.

Yea, I am aware that sounds a lot like a conspiracy theory. Haha. But the important thing is I’m open to discussing the plausibility of it with you guys, not telling you it’s true. What do you guys think?
Sorry if my daughter-induced exhaustion and headache reduced the clarity I was going for in this post.

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Joshk wrote:
I got 4 hours of sleep last night and now I am going to recall a youtube video from 2 to 3 years ago. Let’s see how this goes…

bla-bla.

Joshk,

are you able to give us the name of the scientist (or group of scientists) who managed to isolate the so-called “covid-19”?

YES or NO ?

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Alex, i’ll take Trolling for $400…

I believe you nailed it. Time to stop responding to John75. Perhaps he will retreat to his home under the bridge.

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kennybobby wrote:
Alex, i’ll take Trolling for $400…

I believe you nailed it. Time to stop responding to John75. Perhaps he will retreat to his home under the bridge.

cabfrank, mocking poor people may be a sensitive topic, but instead of “calling for troll and hate speech” why not you answer the question above ?

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As I child I remember the old timers talking about the 1918 pandemic. I remember seeing many people with Polio braces and other deformities from that infectious disease. I remember measles and mumps. I remember the Swine Flu debacle. The scientists don’t always get it right for sure. However, there has been real and meaningful progress in my lifetime that is now being destroyed by people who promote ideas that simply are not true.

Yep. And how many of you youngsters remember seeing smallpox-marked faces around you every day, as a normal thing?
And do you know why you don’t have a smallpox inoculation scar on your arm, when the old folks around you all do have them?

Remember that when you hear an anti-vaccination rant.

Excellent remark, let’s remember or discover about the first efficient treatment against variola.

Do you know what was the protocol of vaccination and the exact composition of the “vaccine”?

Let me help you :

he earliest smallpox (variola) prevention efforts date back to at least the 10th century in China, when physicians found that nasal inoculation of susceptible persons with material from smallpox lesions would sometimes provide immunity.

The practice of inoculation appears to have arisen independently in several other regions prior to the 17th century, including Africa and India, but the practice did not gain popularity in western Europe until the 18th century.

The wife of an English ambassador, Lady Montagu, observed inoculation in Turkey, and later had her own child successfully inoculated during a smallpox epidemic in England.

In this procedure a lancet or needle was used to deliver a subcutaneous dose of smallpox material to a susceptible person. The procedure, also known as variolation, was controversial. +It generated immunity in many cases, but it also killed some people and contributed to smallpox outbreaks.
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A more safe and effective method for smallpox control originated in the late 18th century when Dr. Edward Jenner of Gloucestershire, England noticed that milkmaids exposed to cowpox appeared to be immune to smallpox.

He tested his hypothesis by inoculating a boy with cowpox pus and subsequently challenging him with smallpox. The experiment was a success, and Jenner prepared a paper describing this case along with 13 other individuals who had contracted either horsepox or cowpox before being exposed to smallpox. In one of the worst editorial decisions of all time, the Royal Society rejected the paper and suggested that Jenner cease his cowpox investigations.

Jenner wisely ignored this advice, named the cowpox material the “vaccine virus”, and thus discovered the concept of vaccination.1, 6 Early smallpox vaccinations utilized pustular material from one vaccinated person to directly inoculate another person by scratching the material into the recipient’s arm. Later improvements included the inoculation of cow flanks to obtain larger quantities of virus, and use of glycerol solution as a preservative.

A textbook published in the early 20th century described the vaccination process as follows:

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A spot, usually on the upper arm, is scraped by a lancet, so that the outer layers of the epidermis are removed; the spot is then rubbed with an ivory point, quill or tube, carrying the virus. A slight and usually unimportant illness or indisposition follows, and the arm is sore for a time, a characteristic scar remaining.

There was no intravenous injection, neither use of hazardous adjuvant added to the treatment.

Ask yourself why after 1950, some scientists decided to add-on highly neurotoxic adjuvants through intravenous “vaccinal” solution.

Ask yourself why autism or Alzheimer’s “syndromes” were quasi inexistent before “modern vaccination campaign”.

SHALL THAT BE THE NEW NORM ?



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Well one could point out that autism was actually described during the time of Martin Luther… That smallpox was a thing that became no more due to vacinations…

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