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Good find. Yea, I read about him in high school. I based the example on him. You have to admit, not many people would have successfully removed their own appendix.

Also up for Google grabs, there is a religion that believes a human is an animal possessed by an alien conscience, or something like that.

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The only way I’ve heard the term “peer review” used is to make scientific study reports, and often the data and methodology used in the study, available to other researchers in the relevant fields, so that they can apply rigorous scientific principles and methods proven to minimize bias to an examination of the work. The purpose of this is to determine where the research is weak, where it is strong, and suggest ways to improve the objectivity of the research and/or the reporting of the research. Peer review is about eliminating bias and improving the objective accuracy of research and reporting on that research.

Peer review is therefore the opposite of bullying people to force them to have your beliefs, or to produce particular results desired by the reviewers, which seems to be the subject of the article linked above.

You are 100% right, peer reviewed journals have been the only way to minimize conflicts of interest and ensure some level of objectivity. The case I was referring to is a total BS field of research anyways, not medical research. And the journals that were involved were mostly pay to play journals. And one of them keeps having regular issues with objectivity and they keep cracking down on people who abuse the pay to play scheme .

On another note, I heard something ridiculous that the most quoted news source on TV is Twitter.

How do you guys calculate mortality rate? I am looking at this CDC chart – Death rate by County-level Population Factors

I chose some of the data points in the last 30 days, that show some particular groups and deaths per 100,000 in the last 7 days:

North Dakota Non-Metro 2.5-3.1
North Dakota Metro 0.9 -1.41
Non-Hispanic, American Indian, Alaskan Native 0.91-1.18
65 or older 0.46-0.50
Average Household size Low 0.5
Average Household size High 0.28

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Over 900 of the staff at the Mayo Clinics in the Midwest currently have COVID-19

93% of those were reportedly infected outside the clinic, the remainder were believed to have been infected in the break room.

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Over 900 of the staff at the Mayo Clinics in the Midwest currently have COVID-19

93% of those were reportedly infected outside the clinic, the remainder were believed to have been infected in the break room.

Facepalm What makes people in the midwest more likely to be infected? The CDC data I looked at, showed that Rural “non-metro” areas have much higher case numbers and deaths than populated “metropolitan” areas.
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In a recent interview on Minnesota Public Radio, the Minnesota Health Commissioner and the state’s Infectious Disease Director were asked about the factors driving the rise in cases in their state. They answered that the data being collected lately shows that it is small gatherings, and the lack of precautions such as distancing and wearing masks at such gatherings, that were driving much of the increase in their state. They contrasted this with the increases in the spring, which were associated with larger groups in places such as factories.

In an interview on CNN this week, the president of the Minnesota Nurses Association said that a large percentage of the nurses in the state have tested positive for Covid-19, and that even in places such as the extreme northeastern, rural, portions of Minnesota, there are hospitals where a large percentage of the nurses have tested positive for the virus. She also stated that nurses in Minnesota still cannot get the personal protective equipment they need to be safe on the job, including masks, and that she has not been able to get tested for Covid-19 since February. They are still reusing masks. She said a lack of support from the federal government has cost lives, among patients and nurses.

I’ve also read of interviews of nurses in the Dakotas and Minnesota saying that many of their patients who die of Covid-19 infection deny they have the virus until the moment they die, telling the nurses that it is a “hoax,” and that it isn’t real.

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I guess the small gatherings could explain why there are almost 2 Single people are dying vs large family.
And the denial / hoax could explain why “Non-Hispanic, American Indian, Alaskan Native” and “non-metro” are the dying the most.

There was no data on nurses or any other profession but I wonder why are they getting infected for the first time so late in the year or is it a reinfection?

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Well, I know everyone is curious where my ornery ass has been…… not really eh? Sad
Anyway, I have been in the hospital with Covid since the end of Sept(7 weeks). I was in a coma intubated in ICU for 3+ weeks After coming out of the coma I begged numerous times to be disconnected and let die but was denied that relief. It was tortuous.
After I left ICU I was sent to the Covid ward for a couple of weeks enjoying that ‘good’ hospital food and was then sent to a ‘swing’ bed for over 2 week for rehab which didnt do anything except more bad hospital food. I dont know how else to say it but I looked death squarely in the eye while in ICU hallucinating, It was truly a frightening experience even seeing the ICU nurses as ‘monkey people’ when I came out of the coma. I lost 50lbs(180 to 130) during the ordeal. Anyway I am now back home but alone and still unable to walk at all without a walker and that is really sketchy. I did fall the other day and couldnt get up into the walker or get to my phone. It seemed forever before someone found me. I am hoping that things get better but have been told that they may not. !!!
Yall please WEAR A MASK unless you want your grandma seeing monkey people.. Sushi
……….This is BAD shit….. believe me you dont want anyone you love getting it. Beer Beer Beer Beer Sad

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Wow, that is truly scary. Good to have ya back though, Coscar.

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Whoah Coscar, thanks for sharing your harrowing experiences with us.
Hope you can build your strength back up now that you’ve beaten the virus.

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Thanks Yall……… its definitely STILL a work in progress Beer Beer

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Well that would explain why we haven’t heard from ya—glad to hear you survived all that mess.

You are bound to be weak after such a large weight loss as there is not much muscle left. Fortunately it can build back up over time—just be very careful not to fall as the bones are weak too.

Covid might have hit your body a blow, but you still got your sharp half-wit mind. Beer

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Glad to hear you survived.

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Coscar, glad you survived.

Did you receive any of the medicines we hear about on the news?

Was there one you think was especially helpful?

Was your case so severe because you are elderly?

I hope you get some support, old, trouble walking, and home alone sounds very difficult.

My heart goes out to you.

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Coscar: I’m glad you made it back from the brink. Hang in there, and keep at it.

Thank you for sharing your experience in this thread – I hope your advice is taken to heart by everyone reading it.

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Glad to hear you made it through all that. Sounds terrible. Still there are people denying this thing is real.

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Anyway, I have been in the hospital with Covid since the end of Sept(7 weeks). I was in a coma intubated in ICU for 3+ weeks After coming out of the coma I begged numerous times to be disconnected and let die but was denied that relief. It was tortuous.
Shocked Shocked Wow… Thanks a lot for sharing your experience, and we’re all really glad you survived it. Best wishes for a full recovery, although I can imagine it will probably take time.

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Covid is real, all right. And it has (according to numbers which I personally suspect are overstated) claimed almost 1/3 as many people this year as have been killed by cancer. It’s a virus worthy of respect.

The great majority have been people with other health problems, a situation that generally increases with age. Proper nutrition and exercise can contribute to a person’s ability to fight off a respiratory disease, but there’s no foolproof cure by any means. We all have an expiration date.

I have trepidation about physical suffering, but not about death.

Coscar, glad you pulled through. I can understand the desire you felt to give up (I’m a wuss about pain), but hope you’ll continue to get stronger now that you are out of the hospital.

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Anyway, I have been in the hospital with Covid since the end of Sept(7 weeks). I was in a coma intubated in ICU for 3+ weeks After coming out of the coma I begged numerous times to be disconnected and let die but was denied that relief. It was tortuous.

Holy hell Coscar. I’m glad you survived. I wish you the best in the recovery.

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Best wishes, Coscar.

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Good luck in your (hopefully) full recovery, Coscar!

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Seems to me that, if you’re going to compare cancer death numbers and Covid-19 death numbers this year, you can’t just compare the number of deaths from each that were recorded this year. Many of the cancer deaths this year occurred in individuals who contracted cancer in a previous year, while virtually all of the Covid-19 deaths in the USA have occurred in the same year that the virus was contracted (and death occurred much faster after the onset of illness or diagnosis than with cancer). After controlling for that difference, the death numbers from Covid-19 this year can be seen in a different light than simply saying they are “less than 1/3” the numbers for cancer this year.

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Yup, and cancer isn't contagious.

Plus, the number of cancer deaths isn't skyrocketing in many areas like COVID-19 deaths are.

(Of course the only reason to compare the number of cancer deaths to COVID-19 deaths is to downplay COVID-19, and some people make that their mission in life.  People without lives, that is.)

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I really appreciate all of your well wishes….. probably more than you realize. I will try to update with any progress, but I have a feeling it could be slow from what my pulmanologist tells me. It seems it is different for everyone and I was very lucky to have survived. I remember wanting so bad to just give up but at this point Im glad I didnt. That being said, Im not sure I can adjust to my current situation if it does not at least slowly improve. Time will tell I guess. I dont believe in prayer but your encouragement means alot. Thank you Beer Beer Thumbs Up

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raccoon city wrote:

Yup, and cancer isn’t contagious.


Plus, the number of cancer deaths isn’t skyrocketing in many areas like COVID-19 deaths are.


(Of course the only reason to compare the number of cancer deaths to COVID-19 deaths is to downplay COVID-19, and some people make that their mission in life.  People without lives, that is.)

I think you’re correct on all points. The cancer death rate has been declining in the USA since the early 1990’s.

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Coscar, I hope you get well soon! Take care Thumbs Up

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Anyway I am now back home but alone and still unable to walk at all without a walker and that is really sketchy.

Hey Coscar, can I ask if this is because the COVID did a number on your joints, or because your lungs aren’t giving you enough air to walk?

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What makes people in the midwest more likely to be infected?

A cold spell that moved through the area, driving people indoors.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cold+spell+midwest+coronavirus&t=newext&atb=v1...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-are-covid-19-cases-spiking-in-the-mid...

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Hi Coscar, glad to see you made it through and good luck with the recovery.

You probably couldnt be shagged I bet but if you could please, every now and then just drop in here and
let us know how you’re getting on.

Hang in there

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Coscar, good to have you back, Scary experience. Seem like you have a road ahead,

I don’t want to pry too much but beside wearing masks are there any lifestyle changes to recommend?

Were you able to have any family with you in the hospital? the staff in the hospital treat you well or they just did the bare minimum?

get well soon!

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Coscar, very sorry to hear, but thank you for sharing. We all wish you the best, and hope you continue on to a full recovery.

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