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According to the National Academy of Sciences, it seems that CNN’s reporting on the mask study in Germany is accurate.

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/12/02/2015954117

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Man, the internet is really messing with America’s mind. Cable “news” too. We’re all doubting each other’s sources and all it’s doing is dividing us. Believing in fairy tales is not healthy ever. All it does is lower the bar for everything to become “facts”. This is one case where trickle down really works. Disinformation overload.

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pennzy wrote:
Man, the internet is really messing with America’s mind. Cable “news” too. We’re all doubting each other’s sources and all it’s doing is dividing us. Believing in fairy tales is not healthy ever. All it does is lower the bar for everything to become “facts”. This is one case where trickle down really works. Disinformation overload.

This happens in many countries. Politics is forbidden on BLF, otherwise I could point out a driving force behind the conspiracy myth. Well known in Germany.

Smile, you cannot kill them all.

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pennzy wrote:
Man, the internet is really messing with America’s mind. Cable “news” too. We’re all doubting each other’s sources and all it’s doing is dividing us. Believing in fairy tales is not healthy ever. All it does is lower the bar for everything to become “facts”. This is one case where trickle down really works. Disinformation overload.

This is why apathy is sooooo low-stress…

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pennzy wrote:
Man, the internet is really messing with America’s mind. Cable “news” too. We’re all doubting each other’s sources and all it’s doing is dividing us. Believing in fairy tales is not healthy ever. All it does is lower the bar for everything to become “facts”. This is one case where trickle down really works. Disinformation overload.

This happens in many countries. Politics is forbidden on BLF, otherwise I could point out a driving force behind the conspiracy myth. Well known in Germany.

How we looking to you?
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Lightbringer wrote:
pennzy wrote:
Man, the internet is really messing with America’s mind. Cable “news” too. We’re all doubting each other’s sources and all it’s doing is dividing us. Believing in fairy tales is not healthy ever. All it does is lower the bar for everything to become “facts”. This is one case where trickle down really works. Disinformation overload.

This is why apathy is sooooo low-stress…


I need some of that good booze who’ve been showing over in “What are you drinking?”.
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Lightbringer wrote:

This is why apathy is sooooo low-stress…

Yep, when it comes to online drama, apathy is the way to go.  :BEER:

(And that frequently applies to real life drama as well.)

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I need some of that good booze who’ve been showing over in “What are you drinking?”.

Just stay away from that Pee-BR. Tastes like urine…

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I was seeing this in my TV and was…shocked!

Stay f’ckin safe!!!

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Lightbringer wrote:
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I need some of that good booze who’ve been showing over in “What are you drinking?”.

Just stay away from that Pee-BR. Tastes like urine…

Less filling!

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As predicted, slight hiccup in new cases around TG but not a change in the longterm trend.

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> MascaratumB
> I was seeing this in my TV and was…shocked!

A rare side effect in a young patient with coronavirus —- bleeding out from every orifice all at once

Things could still get a lot worse than they are right nnow.

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raccoon city wrote:

I find cnn.com to be a pretty good source of factual information.

Geez, this was so funny I almost blew coffee through my nose! LOL

== We save the planet from darkness ==

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== We save the planet from darkness ==

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Rexlion wrote:
raccoon city wrote:

I find cnn.com to be a pretty good source of factual information.

Geez, this was so funny I almost blew coffee through my nose! LOL

Yeah, precisely my sensation when I hear something from Fox News LOL

Oh, oops, I just don’t drink coffee Big Smile

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Things could still get a lot worse than they are right nnow.

Honestly, the whole situation told by the nurse was WOW! Of course not everyone experiences the same, still, the report is mindblowing and unfortunately she’s not the only one seeing those situations in the ICU or other caring units Oops

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According to the National Academy of Sciences, it seems that CNN’s reporting on the mask study in Germany is accurate.

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/12/02/2015954117

Thanks, NorthernHarrier. Two sources on the same facts are always helpful.

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Reading
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817 down to the Discussion section, we find

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The findings, however, should not be used to conclude that a recommendation for everyone to wear masks in the community would not be effective in reducing SARS-CoV-2 infections,
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Here’s some good news, a study in China suggests that asymptomatic Covid-infected people are not significant contributors to the spread of the virus. That might alleviate some anxiety.

That study was posted on a website that often posts papers that have not been peer reviewed, and only reviewed by the editors of the website. They don’t make that clear on the study report page, so I am mentioning it here. That particular study also involved data collected in China after a four-month, total lockdown of everyone in the studied population. We don’t have that kind of a situation in the USA, and we never will. In addition, the report doesn’t say whether the people who tested positive but were asymptomatic were isolated after the lockdown and before the testing from others, or lived as normal in full contact with families, friends, co-workers, etc. There’s too many variables unlike the USA, and too little known about how the study results were obtained, to draw general conclusions from it that are applicable to the USA or other countries where there haven’t been total lockdowns of large areas.

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Purely asymptomatic people, who don’t develop symptoms at all during the infection, don’t spread much. The issue is that pre-syntomatic people (the ones that will develop symptoms a few days in the future) can easily spread the virus.

That’s what the WHO tried to tell, as that information is useful for contact tracing purposes, but it was misunderstood.

The problem is that we just don’t know yet how to tell apart pre-syntomatic cases from asymptomatic cases.

Most Covid19 papers are not reviewed yet, the peer review & publication process is just too slow for an ongoing pandemic, so everybody looks at the preprints.

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Unheard wrote:
pennzy wrote:
Man, the internet is really messing with America’s mind. Cable “news” too. We’re all doubting each other’s sources and all it’s doing is dividing us. Believing in fairy tales is not healthy ever. All it does is lower the bar for everything to become “facts”. This is one case where trickle down really works. Disinformation overload.

This happens in many countries. Politics is forbidden on BLF, otherwise I could point out a driving force behind the conspiracy myth. Well known in Germany.

Sure there are speculators also in conspiracy theories, however feeling the daily hammering of massmedias and watch how the world turn there may be some thrut.
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Purely asymptomatic people, who don’t develop symptoms at all during the infection, don’t spread much. The issue is that pre-syntomatic people (the ones that will develop symptoms a few days in the future) can easily spread the virus.

That’s what the WHO tried to tell, as that information is useful for contact tracing purposes, but it was misunderstood.

The problem is that we just don’t know yet how to tell apart pre-syntomatic cases from asymptomatic cases.

Most Covid19 papers are not reviewed yet, the peer review & publication process is just too slow for an ongoing pandemic, so everybody looks at the preprints.

The reputable websites that post pre-review papers incorporate a comment process after posting. There’s no sign that is permitted or happening in the case mentioned above. I’m aware of the length of time required for the full peer review process to be done, but that isn’t an issue here.

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Ugh, no pix of that cute redhead without the stoopit mask?

That’s just plain mean…

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Argh. Cases reported per day, 7 day average:

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Here's a comic that is more true than funny:

 

Covid Precaution Level

covid_precaution_level

It's frustrating to calibrate your precautions when there's only one kind of really definitive feedback you can get, you can only get it once, and when you do it's too late.

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My country’s president must feel like that, he frequently uses the analogy of adjusting knobs. From a few cases in July (Winter) we spiked the past week to 200-300 daily cases (multiply by 100 to get US equivalent numbers), anything over 100 is not sustainable for contact tracing, now we closed the gyms and if the cases don’t decrease in the following week we may have to turn the knob higher.

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Ours go up to 11.

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And that’s when the distortion overwhelms the good

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Today’s email:

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The extremely high levels of transmission in our community right now make even previously low-risk activities unsafe.

As mentioned elsewhere — the virus seems to be getting around faster. Perhaps it’s being selected for adaption to living in human hosts? Thanks, Darwin.

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