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Here’s some good news, a study in China suggests that asymptomatic Covid-infected people are not significant contributors to the spread of the virus. That might alleviate some anxiety.

That study was posted on a website that often posts papers that have not been peer reviewed, and only reviewed by the editors of the website. They don’t make that clear on the study report page, so I am mentioning it here. That particular study also involved data collected in China after a four-month, total lockdown of everyone in the studied population. We don’t have that kind of a situation in the USA, and we never will. In addition, the report doesn’t say whether the people who tested positive but were asymptomatic were isolated after the lockdown and before the testing from others, or lived as normal in full contact with families, friends, co-workers, etc. There’s too many variables unlike the USA, and too little known about how the study results were obtained, to draw general conclusions from it that are applicable to the USA or other countries where there haven’t been total lockdowns of large areas.

Well, that’s a big bucket of cold water over the head, for sure. Definitely the pessimistic view.

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I find cnn.com to be a pretty good source of factual information.

Geez, this was so funny I almost blew coffee through my nose! LOL

Yeah, precisely my sensation when I hear something from Fox News LOL

No disagreement from me. Fox used to be decent, but not any more. They should rename themselves “Fox Lies.”

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Rexlion wrote:
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I find cnn.com to be a pretty good source of factual information.

Geez, this was so funny I almost blew coffee through my nose! :))
Yeah, precisely my sensation when I hear something from Fox News LOL
No disagreement from me. Fox used to be decent, but not any more. They should rename themselves "Fox Lies."

The thing is, most of the popular conservative television shows tell their viewers exactly what they want to hear, and they usually resort to alternative facts that have no relation to the truth.

cnn.com doesn't do that.

They carefully selects stories that appeal to liberals, but at least the stories are factual.

And, yes, stories from any media source can be, and are, fact checked.

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Thank You RC. I despise cable news however your observation agrees with what I have seen. My wife watches CNN and I hear it

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I agree.

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I agree too.

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Wait! That’s four people agreeing on something besides the fact that flashlights are cool. Close the thread now! We need Lightbringer to bring us back to our pleasant discord!

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Wait! That’s four people agreeing on something besides the fact that flashlights are cool. Close the thread now! We need Lightbringer to bring us back to our pleasant discord!

I disagree (whatever it was youse were discussing; I drifted off for a while).

Resume your disorder…

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I love it! I knew we could count on you! Let the discord continue!

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I just found out my Mom’s breast cancer is back. She’s going to be going in for surgery next week. Then maybe Chemo therapy after that, depending on the tumor analysis after removal. The greatest risk I see in the whole thing is catching Covid while she is weakened. Normally she is is great health, but the surgury will be major. And the whole point of Chemo is to push all your cells to the verge of death so the weakest (cancer) cells die. She can’t get Covid during this. And South Dakota hasn’t been taking it serious.

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Damn. I wish for the best for her.

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I just found out my Mom’s breast cancer is back. She’s going to be going in for surgery next week. Then maybe Chemo therapy after that, depending on the tumor analysis after removal. The greatest risk I see in the whole thing is catching Covid while she is weakened. Normally she is is great health, but the surgury will be major. And the whole point of Chemo is to push all your cells to the verge of death so the weakest (cancer) cells die. She can’t get Covid during this. And South Dakota hasn’t been taking it serious.

My best friends wife just went through almost exactly that same thing and she did get covid in the hospital. She very nearly did not survive but 3 months later she is back home. She is nearly 70 and a fighter and a marvelously hard headed woman and I think that is essential in beating something like this.

Best of luck to your mother and remember, attitude!

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I hope your mom does fine, Joshk!

My biggest worry was that my niece would catch COVID-19 when she occasionally goes to school (most of the time she is home-schooled.)

I recently heard Dr. Fauci in an interview on CBS News say that kids spread COVID-19 at school at a very low rate, so I am not as worried as I was before.

Dr. Fauci even pointed out that that information is counter-intuitive because the stereotype is that kids generally spread disease at school at high rates.

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oh, w should be very careful because of the second wave of this pandemic

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raccoon city wrote:

I hope your mom does fine, Joshk!


My biggest worry was that my niece would catch COVID-19 when she occasionally goes to school (most of the time she is home-schooled.)


I recently heard Dr. Fauci in an interview on CBS News say that kids spread COVID-19 at school at a very low rate, so I am not as worried as I was before.


Dr. Fauci even pointed out that that information is counter-intuitive because the stereotype is that kids generally spread disease at school at high rates.


I work in a secondary school (12yrs+), and here is my nuance on that.

In the Netherlands, all schools are open and school children are not required to keep distance (so 80% don’t). Masks must be worn when moving in the corridors but during class or when they sit still during breaks they are not mandated (so 80% don’t, children are just like grownups). In general a large part of the pupils are all over each other all the time. The Netherlands is in a second wave of infections (not as strong as in the US but very worrying all the same). Among our kids is COVID transmission going on, in our school of 850 pupils from 12 to 18 there are several new cases every week, from all ages, of which part clearly is contracted from children in their own class (but transmission did not neccessarily happen in school itself, there is no checking that).

Looking at numbers in the Netherlands, secondary schools do significantly add to the case numbers (primary schools hardly) but are not the major cause of this wave of infections. Given the complete lack of social distancing in schools, one can indeed argue that transmission numbers among school children are relatively low.

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Joshk wrote:
I just found out my Mom’s breast cancer is back. She’s going to be going in for surgery next week. Then maybe Chemo therapy after that, depending on the tumor analysis after removal. The greatest risk I see in the whole thing is catching Covid while she is weakened. Normally she is is great health, but the surgury will be major. And the whole point of Chemo is to push all your cells to the verge of death so the weakest (cancer) cells die. She can’t get Covid during this. And South Dakota hasn’t been taking it serious.

Maybe she can get the first vaccine dose before starting all this. It would give at least partial protection. Good luck.
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raccoon city wrote:

Rexlion wrote:
MascaratumB wrote:
Rexlion wrote:
raccoon city wrote:

I find cnn.com to be a pretty good source of factual information.


Geez, this was so funny I almost blew coffee through my nose! LOL
Yeah, precisely my sensation when I hear something from Fox News LOL
No disagreement from me. Fox used to be decent, but not any more. They should rename themselves “Fox Lies.”

The thing is, most of the popular conservative television shows tell their viewers exactly what they want to hear, and they usually resort to alternative facts that have no relation to the truth.


cnn.com doesn’t do that.


They carefully selects stories that appeal to liberals, but at least the stories are factual.


And, yes, stories from any media source can be, and are, fact checked.


Seems Fox has had a slight falling out with the extreme crazies for the rare reporting of the truth. Now the faithful are moving on to the total conspiracy channels. Rupert’s kids are influencing him to do what’s actually good for the nation rather than his pocket book for a change. Chris Wallace is the one true reporter at Fox. Fox would be better off if the other cheerleaders moved over to the new lap dog channels.
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https://messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com/template/oakv2?campaign...

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It’s important to note that these antigen tests are imperfect. Even after a negative test, people need to remain careful. Yet tests don’t need to be perfect to reverse the virus’s recent growth — and save thousands of lives. The key, Mina told me, is reducing the average number of new infections caused by each person with the virus to fewer than 1.0, from roughly 1.3 now.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/how-bad-could-december...

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…. the next few weeks are going to be a statistical blur at the very moment when families are looking for clarity regarding the winter holidays. As COVID-19 hospitalizations reach an all-time high, we are facing a normal weekend testing delay, exacerbated by a major holiday, complicated by the already rising COVID-19 caseload, and further burdened by the imminent wave of tests that will be demanded by people coming back from their Thanksgiving trip. For that reason, state and local governments, businesses, and families might have to fly blind for a while in the fog of pandemic.

The safe assumption is that cases, hospitalizations, and deaths will all reach new highs before Christmas. The virus is simply everywhere…..

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djozz wrote:

I work in a secondary school (12yrs+), and here is my nuance on that.

In the Netherlands, all schools are open and school children are not required to keep distance (so 80% don’t). Masks must be worn when moving in the corridors but during class or when they sit still during breaks they are not mandated (so 80% don’t, children are just like grownups). In general a large part of the pupils are all over each other all the time. The Netherlands is in a second wave of infections (not as strong as in the US but very worrying all the same). Among our kids is COVID transmission going on, in our school of 850 pupils from 12 to 18 there are several new cases every week, from all ages, of which part clearly is contracted from children in their own class (but transmission did not neccessarily happen in school itself, there is no checking that).

Looking at numbers in the Netherlands, secondary schools do significantly add to the case numbers (primary schools hardly) but are not the major cause of this wave of infections. Given the complete lack of social distancing in schools, one can indeed argue that transmission numbers among school children are relatively low.

Thank you for posting that. I like to hear/read about what is happening in other countries

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Closing restaurants seems to do nearly nothing in Germany. It’s about time to send office stuff home since there’s the real problem. I’m working myself with seven other colleagues at our office rooms. Too close together imo. Stop being stupid closing down shops where people are wearing masks and keeping distance anyway, and start doing the right things. I’m really pissed.

Smile, you cannot kill them all.

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6 Feet of Separation Won’t Protect You from COVID-19
A person became infected with COVID-19 after only 5 minutes at a distance of 21 feet.
Six feet of distance may not protect you from COVID-19.

https://www.peoplespharmacy.com/articles/6-feet-of-separation-wont-prote...

Also, the virus aerosol hangs in the air for a long time, especially during cold dry air conditions of winter.

Tha’s why California has gone to requiring wearing masks indoors in any shared work or public space —- because the virus load in the air can build up over time as people go in and out.

None of the precautions are 100 percent effective. All of them taken together are mostly fairly helpful.

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https://sf.gov/information/masks-and-face-coverings-coronavirus-pandemic

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At work

Face coverings are required when you are:

Working a job where you interact with others
Working in a space other people might use later, even if you’re alone (including cubicles, shared desks, and conference rooms)
Working in an area with shared equipment
Handling, preparing, or packaging food or other items for anyone you do not live with
Going into someone else’s home for work or any other reason
In spaces someone might be in later

Face coverings are required when you are in a common area inside a building, even if you’re alone.

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Unheard wrote:
Closing restaurants seems to do nearly nothing in Germany.

Data?
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djozz wrote:
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Closing restaurants seems to do nearly nothing in Germany.

Data?

None except some numbers and thoughts. 30000 new infection, 600 deaths. Those measures cost an incredible amount of money while it cannot be argued that shutting down businesses that had developed high hygienic standards are hotspots.

Smile, you cannot kill them all.

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Here’s that infrared camera view of aerosols, mentioned in a Washington Post link earlier:

https://d21rhj7n383afu.cloudfront.net/washpost-production/The_Washington...

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In the USA, a lot of people in restaurants are not distancing and masking. And you can’t eat or drink while masking.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/09/close-case-contact-dining-out-tied-covid-19-spread

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at least 2,923 Americans died today of Covid-19, and 223,570 cases were reported, a 28% increase in the weekly average of cases since two weeks ago.

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Why isn’t everybody getting the latest cocktail? Seems to work. Old, overweight people feel “great” right away if they are privileged enough to have access to it.

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NorthernHarrier wrote:
In the USA, a lot of people in restaurants are not distancing and masking. And you can’t eat or drink while masking.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/09/close-case-contact-dining-out-tied-covid-19-spread


https://www.ovb-online.de/weltspiegel/bayern/coronavirus-lockdown-restau...

“Auch das Robert-Koch-Institut ging zuletzt davon aus, dass nur ein sehr kleiner Anteil der Ansteckungen hierzulande in Restaurants oder Hotels stattfindet. “

The Robert-Koch-Institute also assumes that restaurants and hotels account for a very small fraction of the infections in Germany.

We are quite diciplined over here, and restaurants were hit so hard by the first lockdown that they invested a lot in their measures.

Smile, you cannot kill them all.

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