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I live in Riverside county, and our county is leading California in some statistic for COVID-19.

(I don't recall the specific statistic.)

I remember in Spring of 2020, I wished that COVID-19 wouldn't become a huge problem where I live, but it has happened, and I have known it for a while now.

I am disappointed in the situation, and just hope that my family doesn't get sick.  :-)

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Please take care RC. Stay safe as possible.

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Please take care RC. Stay safe as possible.

Thanks!

I hope you and everyone else on BLF stays safe as well.  :THUMBS-UP:

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My daughter had an onset of internal bleeding, associated with a growth on her ovary. She went in for emergency surgery last Sunday. She had a doctor calling around to hospitals in the area, trying to get her in for surgery, and they all said they were full. But the doc pulled in some favors and got her into a hospital. They took out an ovary and two growths (tumors or cysts, not sure) and took care of the bleeding. DW and I were there in her hospital room to see her when she came out of recovery. Strangely, this “full” hospital had no other patients in that ward. No noises, no sounds. Nurses were sitting around at the station with nothing to do until my daughter was brought over. We’re still trying to figure that one out.

She had a great nurse that night and we left feeling like she was in good hands. But the next shift came on and the day nurse tried to lay a “Covid trip” on her. Said she appeared to not be getting enough oxygen (the machine monitoring her would beep) and must have a breathing problem. Got her to submit to a covid test. Would not give her any water, even when swallowing pills, and harassed her when she didn’t have any urine. Threatened to take away her phone. Wouldn’t let anyone at all into her room, not even someone with power of attorney. In mid-afternoon, the same nurse who’d been in and out all day suddenly came in wearing full PPE. My daughter was afraid they’d move her to the covid ward and she’d really catch it there, so she had them remove the lines, got herself dressed, and checked herself out.

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Wishing her the best!

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Hank wrote: What if the vaccine is …..

Huh? Nope, I did not write that speculation. Please double-check your attributions and paste your speculations into a Google search before posting them, you may find they’re supported by published facts. Or not.

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Hank wrote: What if the vaccine is …..

Huh? Nope, I did not write that speculation.
That came from https://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1734979#comment-1734979

Please double-check your attributions.
It’s often useful to paste your speculations into a Google search before posting them, you may find they’re supported by published facts. Or not.

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hank wrote:
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Hank wrote: What if the vaccine is …..

Huh? Nope, I did not write that speculation.
That came from https://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1734979#comment-1734979

Please double-check your attributions.
It’s often useful to paste your speculations into a Google search before posting them, you may find they’re supported by published facts. Or not.

It was a wrong addressing when quoting from djozz!
The person who said/asked that was jon_slider here: https://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1734979#comment-1734979

I belive djozz may have seen the profile photo (white, similar to yours) and copied the sentence, used the quote button and put the wrong username!

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I just wanted to say: we did it, finally !!!
It was without time that my country jumped to the top of “number of daily cases per million of habitants” Facepalm
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=tru...

Sorry folks, we are number 1! At least today Tired

Stupid people, everywhere… Facepalm

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MascaratumB wrote:
my country jumped to the top of number of cases per million of habitants

Alternative Facts:

this site says Portugal is #18 in cases per million:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

click on the collumn for cases per million, to sort the list on that category

Portugal is also very low on the percent of case fatalities, less than 2%,
there are at least 60 other countries where the fatality rate is (much) higher.

Portugal is also low on deaths per million of population, there are 30 other countries that are worse.

of course, it is ALL bad

===

my present understanding is the vaccine does not prevent testing positive for corona,

the belief is that the vaccine prevents severe symptoms, when testing positive

question
are vaccinated people still contagious, when they test positive?

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jon_slider wrote:
MascaratumB wrote:
my country jumped to the top of number of cases per million of habitants

strange data,

this site says Portugal is #18 in cases per million:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

click on the collumn for cases per million, to sort the list on that category

Portugal is also very low on the percent of case fatalities, less than 2%,
there are at least 60 other countries where the fatality rate is (much) higher.

I should have added daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases per million people, as the chart mentions Oops Sorry for the absence of precision!
Overall perspective is a bit less “unfavorable”!
About the deaths, we have passed the 9.000 deaths todau. But we have a constant number between 120-170 deaths per day in the last week, hospitals are on the top of capacity…which will eventually lead to choices on the medical staff, between lifes and deaths…

We are in a “confinement” but I go to the window and seems like is normal as it was before… Facepalm

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MascaratumB wrote:
We are in a “confinement” but I go to the window and seems like is normal as it was before… Facepalm
I think it is difficult for many people to believe in an invisible enemy

especially when mask wearing is voluntary

we are starting to see some countries taking steps to make masks mandatory, with legal penalties

however, there are times when people gather for food and or alcohol, and the the masks come off

In USA half the country believes a guy that does not believe in wearing masks. People have been going to restaurants and bars, to eat food and drink alcohol, in groups, indoors, without masks…

And very large numbers of people traveled by airplane to visit relatives for the holidays..

Here there is an unenforced 14 day quarantine for out of state visitors. But nobody keeps track of who comes here, and the quarantine is voluntary. I see many cars with out of state license plates.

The US has 25% of the total coronavirus cases in the World, but only has 4% of the world’s total population

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Iam out of it..iam healthy…But,never again.be careful people.for most is it ok,no big problem..For some is it deadly..Uf,Iam glad,that next three months i should be safe….

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jon_slider wrote:
MascaratumB wrote:
We are in a “confinement” but I go to the window and seems like is normal as it was before… Facepalm
I think it is difficult for many people to believe in an invisible enemy

especially when mask wearing is voluntary

we are starting to see some countries taking steps to make masks mandatory, with legal penalties

Hum, honestly, this is not an invisible enemy. People can look to the common graves digged in NYC (USA), Manaus (Brazil) and eventually in other places where there was no possiblity to put people in cemeteries. Or, empty rooms with a coffin because the family couldn’t go there and bury their own familiar… Sad Sad

Also, it is not invisible because everyday there are news showing hospital staff overwhelmed, with bruises in the face, queues of ambulances outside hospitals to bring more people into ICU.

Last but not least, the people that are loosing jobs, closing businesses, the increase of homeless people…

This is only invisible for those that don’t want to see what this virus is causing! So, for me, it is well visible!

Masks here were supposed to be used in “public” spaces. BUT the last days I see more and more people without it. Specially older people, but also middle aged and young…

jon_slider wrote:
however, there are times when people gather for food and or alcohol, and the the masks come off

In USA half the country believes a guy that does not believe in wearing masks. People have been going to restaurants and bars, to eat food and drink alcohol, in groups, indoors, without masks…

And very large numbers of people traveled by airplane to visit relatives for the holidays..

Here there is an unenforced 14 day quarantine for out of state visitors. But nobody keeps track of who comes here, and the quarantine is voluntary. I see many cars with out of state license plates.

The US has 25% of the total coronavirus cases in the World, but only has 4% of the world’s total population

Here, 14 days are for people that have been in contact with infected people and will not make a test. But many people, the smarta$$es, don’t do it… Gatherings here, outdoor, is less frequent. So what people decided to do was to make indoor parties with hundreds without protection or distancing… Angry

Now I believe there are some restrictions from people flying from above, still, there is very few verification of their testing or absence of testing..

Honestly, everything is pretty messed up, we have to take care and avoid the potential infecting situations. Some people will not be able to do that, some will not care about that… and in 2022 we’ll still be in this mess…

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question are vaccinated people still contagious, when they test positive?

No clue on this Oops

vresto wrote:
Iam out of it..iam healthy…But,never again.be careful people.for most is it ok,no big problem..For some is it deadly..Uf,Iam glad,that next three months i should be safe….

Glad that you feel better vresto! Thumbs Up

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jon_slider wrote:
……

Here there is an unenforced 14 day quarantine for out of state visitors. But nobody keeps track of who comes here, and the quarantine is voluntary. I see many cars with out of state license plates.

Makes me sad and angry

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Dr. Drosten from Germany said C19 will probably stay, won’t go away. It will be still a thing next year (2022) . In 10 years newborns must get an infect or vaccine to be save.
:-/

Here is the Coronavirus Update Podcast #70 with Christian Drosten as text in German. From 2021-01-05 Google translate is your friend.
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/70-Coronavirus-Update-Die-Mutanten-i...

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jon_slider wrote:
question are vaccinated people still contagious, when they test positive?

Answer: there is no clear evidence answering this question yet. It was not tested during the vaccine trials. Some preliminary evidence produced by Pfizer/BioNTech and Oxford/AstraZeneca claims to show the vaccine might somewhat reduce the probability of a vaccinated person spreading the disease, but they don’t yet know for sure.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-transmission/fact-check-scientists-do-not-yet-know-whether-the-covid-19-vaccine-reduces-transmission-of-the-virus-idUSKBN29N1UH

The bottom line: vaccinated people still need to do the responsible thing – wear a mask and practice safe distancing around other people. If you are exposed to someone who might be infected, you still need to quarantine yourself.

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Mother Nature may have another surprise coming:

https://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=9711

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Covid may well have a far more direct impact: it may cause male sterility

So we’re talking about a disease that spreads like wildfire, largely under the radar, and which confounds our attempts at containment because people simply refuse take it seriously. (I’ve lost count of the politicians, just here in Canada, who told everyone to stay home for Christmas and then snuck off to spend their holidays on Maui.) The Covid World Tour has already been going on for a year and it’s only picking up steam; at this rate, how long before most of the humans on the planet have been exposed?

If Cemile Seymen is right, a huge chunk of those infectees won’t even know they’ve been hit until, to their surprise and dismay, they find they can’t have kids any more. It’s like Zika only better, because it doesn’t rely on scaring people into reforming their behavior. It’s like “The Screwfly Solution” without the femicidal misogyny. It’s like “Children of Men” without the Hollywood cop-out ending.

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About the new variant of the virus, the UK variant,

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COVID-19:Variant found in UK may be more deadly than original virus – here’s what we know

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-should-we-be-worried-about-the-new-c...

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Is it more deadly?

As we mentioned earlier, the prime minister warned that emerging evidence showed that the new variant is more deadly than the original virus.

Chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance echoed the prime minister’s claim at a Downing Street briefing, saying there were signs that there was an increased risk of death for those who have the new UK variant compared with the old virus.

He said that for a man in their 60s, around 10 out of a thousand would be expected to die with the old variant, compared to 13 or 14 with the new variant.

A new paper by the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG) confirmed “there is a realistic possibility” that the new variant is associated with “an increased risk of death compared to infection with non-VOC viruses”.

Reflecting on the paper’s findings, Dr Hopkins said: “There is evidence from some but not all data sources which suggests that the variant of concern which was first detected in the UK may lead to a higher risk of death than the non-variant.

“Evidence on this variant is still emerging and more work is underway to fully understand how it behaves.”

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Looks like we need to have another shutdown, a really long and thorough one, so we can Build Back Better. Wink How else can we reduce CO2 enough to save the planet? Shocked

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Yeah, it’s the shared-brain principle. One brain, divvied up between all the participants, IQ similarly watered down.

Like a bunch of years ago, all of a sudden everyone had “gravitas”. No one ever heard that term before, but then flick a switch, and everyone and his grandmother had “gravitas”. Hell, I got “gravitas”…

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… and everyone and his grandmother had “gravitas”. Hell, I got “gravitas”…

Does it hurt when you walk?

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Rexlion wrote:
Looks like we need to have another shutdown, a really long and thorough one, so we can Build Back Better. Wink How else can we reduce CO2 enough to save the planet? Shocked

I take it you’ve come to accept the conspiracy you faced at the hospital and are looking for new material, huh? Conspiracy around every corner for some folks.

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Hi everyone, please be more careful to completely avoid the political side of the coronavirus discussion. Mentioning the name of any political leader or any specific country in an overtly positive or negative light, or veiled references to what you consider to be hidden motives or secret agendas of the authorities is bound to start a fight, so just don’t do it please. Any recent posts to this effect should be deleted by the poster. Thanks in advance.

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MascaratumB wrote:
About the new variant of the virus, the UK variant,
Quote:
COVID-19:Variant found in UK may be more deadly than original virus – here’s what we know

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-should-we-be-worried-about-the-new-c...

Quote:
Is it more deadly?

As we mentioned earlier, the prime minister warned that emerging evidence showed that the new variant is more deadly than the original virus.

Chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance echoed the prime minister’s claim at a Downing Street briefing, saying there were signs that there was an increased risk of death for those who have the new UK variant compared with the old virus.

He said that for a man in their 60s, around 10 out of a thousand would be expected to die with the old variant, compared to 13 or 14 with the new variant.

A new paper by the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG) confirmed “there is a realistic possibility” that the new variant is associated with “an increased risk of death compared to infection with non-VOC viruses”.

Reflecting on the paper’s findings, Dr Hopkins said: “There is evidence from some but not all data sources which suggests that the variant of concern which was first detected in the UK may lead to a higher risk of death than the non-variant.

“Evidence on this variant is still emerging and more work is underway to fully understand how it behaves.”

Yeah it is worrying, at first it was the S.African variant that came into the UK (77 confirmed cases) that was spreading, but recently they found some that had mutated in the UK from the original strain very similar to the S.African one. I can’t find the article, but it was on the news. It seems to be much more easily spread, and although not conclusively proved, more deadly.

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Side effects of shutting things down. One school district with 18 suicides since last March which is double their previous rate. Imagine that multiplied across the country. And that's just one side effect.

 

https://www.ktnv.com/news/coronavirus/ccsd-dealing-with-mental-health-crisis-18-student-suicides-since-last-march

 

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So.. a side effect of shutting things down since March. Surely not a a side effect of a raging pandemic that’s killed over 400,000, huh?

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So.. a side effect of shutting things down since March. Surely not a a side effect of a raging pandemic that’s killed over 400,000, huh?

Wellp, in the bright(?) side, they can all be counted as corovirus-related deaths… <snark/>

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Well, Ok. I guess there is that. I stand corrected.

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