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djozz wrote:

It is a trial, the stuff could not work, or be deadly Wink

Just in case: Thanks for all your contributions to this forum. It was a pleasure to read them, and I’ve learned a lot Thumbs Up

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I have read about it. Seems like a good candidate

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djozz wrote:
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Thanks, djozz.
Good news on your side too I think.

It is a trial, the stuff could not work, or be deadly Wink
But I expect it to be a good candidate vaccin, yes.

Are they going to tell you after the trial if you got the vaccine or a placebo?
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My doctor's office got back to me today!

They say that I am eligible, but their explanation did not convince me.

I still believe that my doctor doesn't know what he is talking about, and that I am not eligible yet.

I'm okay with that, and I just will wait for my turn like everyone else.

Not every doctor is right all the time, and I will use google to try to confirm what he says in the future.

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RC, have you used the CA website to see what it comes up with?

https://myturn.ca.gov/

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MtnDon wrote:

RC, have you used the CA website to see what it comes up with?

https://myturn.ca.gov/

Thanks for that.  :BEER:

I am not eligible, but I signed up to be notified when I will be eligible.

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I used the NM equivalent site. I missed on the first notice they sent me. I saw it 44 minutes after it was sent and all the spots were gone. I saw the the second notice sent a week or so later and responded immediately. I got a spot and was able to pick a time. They were well organized. No lines, no waiting when I got there today. I hope everyone has as smooth an experience.

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SIGShooter wrote:
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MtnDon wrote:
Thanks, djozz.
Good news on your side too I think.

It is a trial, the stuff could not work, or be deadly Wink
But I expect it to be a good candidate vaccin, yes.

Are they going to tell you after the trial if you got the vaccine or a placebo?

Yes, I get to know that at the end of the trial, and if the results are good, the placebo group gets the real vaccin after all. And if my regular turn for a vaccin from the government comes before the end of the trial, I can opt to leave the trial, in that case they will tell me which group I was in too.

I think that there will not be much of a trial leftover once the participants are eligible for their official jabs, it would be unreasonably noble, especially for elder people in the trial, to risk being in the placebo group, skip the official jab and get corona, for the good of the rest of the world (and a couple of dollars).

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My mother, 83yo, got her first shot today (B/Pf), thus far all good :-).

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NL has a vaccination strategy for different groups, starting with essential healtcare workers, elderly people with underlying issues, ending with healty adults and children. I won’t go deeper into detail, because there is a lot of progressive insight going around, and things can change before the ink of the previous adjustment is dry. Same applies to the different vaccines. There is a detailed time table of who gets what, when and where.
Injecting AZ restarts next week. Everything is voluntary, of course. You can refuse, or ask for more time.
But if you want another vaccine, they move you to the end of the line for that vaccine.
So if you are destined to get AZ next week, and you prefer J&J, you could be waiting till end of summer.

You are a flashaholic if you are forced to come out of the closet, to make room for more flashlights.

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Look at Israel go!….
Vaccine country chart

Thankfully the silly political moves have been stopped and Oxford/AZ is being used again across Europe thanks to EMA declaring it safe and effective.

Tests mixing Pfizer and OxfordAZ doses are taking place and it appears this may even offer better protection than two doses of one type but time will tell.

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Jinx wrote:
Vaccine country chart

thanks for that link, had not seen that data before:

USA has slightly flatter curve than Worldwide
USA has 24% of total cases worldwide.

Texas has ended face mask requirements… New Mexico and California still require masks and social distance, and they have flatter curves than Texas.:

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Top Ten USA states with the highest Per Capita infection rate

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Top Ten Countries with the highest Per Capita infection rate

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Jinx wrote:
[…] thanks to EMA declaring it safe and effective.

Have they? They can’t.

In the average it does more good than harm I presume. If only we’d know exactly the predisposition of an individual for serious health issues with the vaccine and the virus, we could give everyone the figures he needs to decide for himself what risk he wants to take.

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djozz wrote:
SIGShooter wrote:
djozz wrote:
MtnDon wrote:
Thanks, djozz.
Good news on your side too I think.

It is a trial, the stuff could not work, or be deadly Wink
But I expect it to be a good candidate vaccin, yes.

Are they going to tell you after the trial if you got the vaccine or a placebo?

Yes, I get to know that at the end of the trial, and if the results are good, the placebo group gets the real vaccin after all. And if my regular turn for a vaccin from the government comes before the end of the trial, I can opt to leave the trial, in that case they will tell me which group I was in too.

I think that there will not be much of a trial leftover once the participants are eligible for their official jabs, it would be unreasonably noble, especially for elder people in the trial, to risk being in the placebo group, skip the official jab and get corona, for the good of the rest of the world (and a couple of dollars).


So very true. I like to think I’m noble and all that but if I was in a trial and my turn came up for a shot I’d definitely take it. To me the risk/reward of getting a real vaccine would be too great to not take it.
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Unheard wrote:
Jinx wrote:
[…] thanks to EMA declaring it safe and effective.

Have they? They can’t.

In the average it does more good than harm I presume.

Not “I presume”, the data say that, it is not an opinion. That is what we have an EMA for, they figure it out from the data.

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If only we’d know exactly the predisposition of an individual for serious health issues with the vaccine and the virus, we could give everyone the figures he needs to decide for himself what risk he wants to take.

We do know, there is enough data on that by now, with the trials and now so many millions already vaccinated. Trust that!
A thing that keeps amazing me in this pandemic is that you can throw as many facts at a large percentage of people as you like, it appears that data do not change anything for those people, everything stays in doubt and is considered a matter of opinion Facepalm

And something about the widely beloved individual freedom to do as you please: Unfortunately there is more going on than individual risk, personal decisions on being vaccinated have consequences for the population. Taking individual freedom to the max as an ideal, as has become common in the first world in the last 40 years, does not work very well during a pandemic. It would help a lot if the sense of freedom that we aspire would be more of a collective thing, how we can contribute to optimising freedom as a society, instead of maximising doing as you please as an individual.

But I start to digress…

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> there is more going on than individual risk, personal decisions on being vaccinated have consequences for the population.

agree
I call it the USA Culture of the Individual the “Me first generation”

Per capita infection rate by country:
Japan has a culture that emphasizes group responsibility, they are #121 of countries with highest infection per capita

USA has a culture that emphasizes individual freedom, they are #8 of countries with highest infection per capita

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djozz wrote:
But I start to digress…

…and that is okay as what you stated all makes a lot of sense to me.

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Unheard wrote:
Jinx wrote:
[…] thanks to EMA declaring it safe and effective.

Have they? They can’t.

In the average it does more good than harm I presume. If only we’d know exactly the predisposition of an individual for serious health issues with the vaccine and the virus, we could give everyone the figures he needs to decide for himself what risk he wants to take.

OK, the following is a quote, if you wish to look further the link is below…

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the benefits of the vaccine in combating the still widespread threat of COVID-19 (which itself results in clotting problems and may be fatal) continue to outweigh the risk of side effects;
the vaccine is not associated with an increase in the overall risk of blood clots (thromboembolic events) in those who receive it;
there is no evidence of a problem related to specific batches of the vaccine or to particular manufacturing sites;
however, the vaccine may be associated with very rare cases of blood clots associated with thrombocytopenia, i.e. low levels of blood platelets (elements in the blood that help it to clot) with or without bleeding, including rare cases of clots in the vessels draining blood from the brain (CVST).
These are rare cases – around 20 million people in the UK and EEA had received the vaccine as of March 16 and EMA had reviewed only 7 cases of blood clots in multiple blood vessels (disseminated intravascular coagulation, DIC) and 18 cases of CVST. A causal link with the vaccine is not proven, but is possible and deserves further analysis.

EMA

The info is there and I’m sure if you wish to dig for data and stats you can. Once you are fully informed you can then come to the same conclusion all by yourself.

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djozz wrote:

But I start to digress…

I find this interesting, so I’ll take the ball. Hope it’s ok for the forum owner.

Well, this kind of data never covers everything that’s important to know, e.g. it does not show future incidents. That’s where my “presume” stems from.

It’s my decision if I’ll get AZ or not. That’s theory, it’s not on offer for my age group yet, but if it were, I would reckon I’ll survive Covid-19 with a better chance than a blood clot. That leaves the chances to get either of these aside, I’m fully aware of that. But it’s the way I’m thinking, and that has to be respected like anyone elses opinion, too.

Smile, you cannot kill them all.

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Unheard wrote:
Jinx wrote:
[…] thanks to EMA declaring it safe and effective.
Have they? They can’t.

I’m not from the area but i’ll try to decompose this:

safe – they probably can’t declare that until it is unequivocally proved that the deaths and other risks associated that appeared in people that got that vaccine are not related to the vaccine itself

effective – they conducted trials/tests/whatever and, as far as I know, they made the results public concerning the effectiveness of the vaccine on the SARS-Cov-2 virus / Covid-19 disease. So, if the vaccine it is out there, it certainly has effectiveness for what it was designed! Although it may vary from individual to individual…as everything else in this world Tired

Unheard wrote:
In the average it does more good than harm I presume.

I guess the word “average” will lead to mistakes here!
I saw that in Portugal more than 1 million people were already vaccinated with 1 of the 3 vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, Astrazeneca).
Around 0.2% (about 50.000 people) stated to have had secondary effects.
Since the beginning of the vaccination process there were deaths, but according to the information, they were not related to the vaccination process itself. So, this cannot be seen as averages when doing good or harm.

And there are also people that already took both doses and still got (re)infected (?), but as far as I perceived, the symptoms where not accute.

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If only we’d know exactly the predisposition of an individual for serious health issues with the vaccine and the virus, we could give everyone the figures he needs to decide for himself what risk he wants to take.

That is, unfortunately impossible, but in a perfect world, it would be the ideal solution.

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BTW, I was going to place a question about the transmission from vaccinated people (that get infected after it) and other people, but then I went for a really quick search for some information and this is what I found:

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid-19-vaccines-may-help-stop-v...

Excerpt from a broader text :

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Additional studies needed to understand transmission
Some experts caution that just looking at asymptomatic infections doesn’t fully answer the question of whether vaccines block transmission.

Doug Reed, PhD, an associate professor of immunology at the University of Pittsburgh Center for Vaccine Research, said viral load studies can also shed some light on whether COVID-19 vaccines reduce transmission.

In this type of study, researchers measure the amount of virus in the body of a vaccinated person who contracts a coronavirus infection and compare it with the viral load of an unvaccinated person with an infection. This is typically done with a PCR nasal swab.

In one preprint study, Israeli researchers found that the viral loads in vaccinated people with an infection were 3 to 4.7 times lower than in unvaccinated people with an infection.

“If the viral load in [vaccinated] people is substantially reduced, it suggests that their ability to transmit the virus to other people would be also substantially reduced,” Reed said.

While this kind of study doesn’t fully answer the question of transmission, “there is good data to say that the higher the viral load, the more likely a person is to transmit the disease,” Reed told Healthline. “So, if the viral load is very low, the likelihood of transmission is also quite low.”

George said combining a viral load study with a contact tracing study can provide more “definitive proof” of reduced transmission.

In this scenario, contact tracing involves studying the close contacts of vaccinated and unvaccinated people to see whether vaccinated people who contract an infection are less likely to transmit the virus.

“That kind of study is more time and labor intensive,” she said, especially since you have to rule out close contacts contracting an infection who are outside the household.

Dr. Davey Smith, MD, MAS, an infectious disease researcher at the University of California, San Diego, is leading this type of study. It will involve collecting data on household contacts of people who have been vaccinated, reports The San Diego Union-Tribune.

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German researchers have stated that the unusual blood clots can be treated with existing drugs, they found the same autoimmune issues as Norway did yesterday:

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/corona-impfung-von-astrazenec... (in German, you may use Google Translate)

Edit: replaced reddit link with actual article

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German researchers stated that the unusual blood clots can be treated with existing drugs, they found the same autoimmune issues as Norway did:

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/corona-impfung-von-astrazenec... (in German, you may use Google Translate)

Edit: replaced reddit link with actual article


Let me quote one paragraph:
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According to Greinacher, they not only discovered how the thrombosis can come about. They had also developed a test procedure to be able to prove the mechanism in a suspected case and found a therapy option with an already approved drug that could turn this mechanism off immediately.

This would be really cool if it works, thanks for sharing!

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I would reckon I’ll survive Covid-19 with a better chance than a blood clot. That leaves the chances to get either of these aside, I’m fully aware of that. But it’s the way I’m thinking, and that has to be respected like anyone elses opinion, too.

Your welcome to your opinion but you imply COVID or blood clot unless I’m getting wrong end of the stick?

It would appear conventional science indicates you (anyone) would be more likely to get a clot from COVID rather than the vaccine.

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Recent data from the Netherlands and France suggest that of the patients with coronavirus who are admitted to intensive care units (ICU), 30-70% develop blood clots in the deep veins of the legs, or in the lungs.
Around one in four coronavirus patients admitted to ICU will develop a pulmonary embolism.
These rates are much higher than we would usually see in patients requiring admission to ICU for reasons other than COVID-19.

Source: HRIUK.org
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Yes Jinx. I just don’t think I’ll see the ICU. Nice abbreviation, btw. And no pun intended.

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More information on this r/covid19 thread

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I’m sitting in the lobby waiting for 15 minutes to elapse after receiving the J&J jab. Big Smile

Congrats on your single jab vaccine..

I got the J&J one week ago. Had zero reaction, no pain in the arm at all.
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No arm pain or other discomfort for me at all, so far. I feel slightly tired, but that could have many reasons. Some days are just like that.

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A short update …. I havent seen any improvement in a couple of months. Seems I am a ‘long hauler’ and may not get any better Crying . Still suffering extreme exhaustion, muscle soreness and a constant case of brain fog, My walking and breathing have gotten better but Ive been doing breathing exercises 3 times a day and I can tell that helped. I think I am having more trouble than most because of the severity of my case. Apparently the longer you are intubated the more long term effects you suffer. From what I understand a lot of intubated patients dont survive more than a week. I was intubated 3 weeks. Had a ‘believer’ tell me god had a plan for me…… all I could think to say was I wish he had started a little earlier Wink ……. BUT ……… its good to be on this side of the dirt and life is good… considering. Just a lot of Tv, ‘medicine’ and Beer Beer Beer

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Good to hear that you keep sticking to life! Smile Nobody knows yet what is the future of long Covid sufferers, hopefully it gets a little better over time.

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I am so saddened to hear of your very slow progress, Hang in there. and thank you for taking the time and energy to drop by and relate what’s happening.

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