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Thanks Bushmaster…. Because of the way they affect folks brains, belief and understanding from others is very important dealing with both of these illness’s.

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I caught it. I fought it. I survived it. I picked up the pieces and moved forward.
You were one of the first ones here on BLF to catch it as far as I know. Really glad you pulled through! Great to see you here DBSAR.

Thanks SB. It was a rough few weeks, and happened as i was preparing to move across the country. But i fought it, and still here to keep enjoying what i do!


Any lingering side effects?

in my case fortunately not bad ones, but has a sore throat & cough for almost a month after.

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Got my 2nd Pfizer shot yesterday, only side effects were sore arm, fatigue and stuffy nose.

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Looking forward to getting my 2nd Pfizer shot this Friday.

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My parents took their first shot (Pfizer) yesterday!
So far they only have that “sore arm” feeling! Thumbs Up

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Just got my second Pfizer shot yesterday. Customer woke me up this AM and I think I am OK today;-) Sore arm like the first one but that is it so far! Can’t wait to be dancing again!

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I get my second (Moderna) shot tomorrow.

In about two weeks, I'll be fully immunized, and then I'll report on any side effects that I may have.

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Some statistics would be nice, maybe like a poll where BLF members can report if they encountered any side effects. Or would that be be too easy to compromise or could that be considered as too controversial. I am not sure. Maybe SB can chime in to tell what he thinks? Smile

 

Something like this was on my mind…

 

Which vaccine did you receive and did you have any significant side effects (feeling really sick, blood clots/thrombosis, high temperature)?

 

[   ] Biontech/Pfizer - No significant side effects 

[   ] Biontech/Pfizer - Significant side effects 

 

[   ] Moderna - No significant side effects 

[   ] Moderna - Significant side effects

 

[   ] Johnson & Johnson - No significant side effects 

[   ] Johnson & Johnson - Significant side effects

 

[   ] AstraZeneca/Vaxzevria  - No significant side effects 

[   ] AstraZeneca/Vaxzevria - Significant side effects

 

[   ] Sputnik V - No significant side effects 

[   ] Sputnik V - Significant side effects

 

[…]

 

Comment: The order of appearance is purely coincidental, if anyone should wonder.

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Second option for Biontech, Thomas. Only 7 hours since first shot and already feel sick.

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`Around here, the d-bags are rousing from their Winter Slumber and revving up their motorcycles (riding them up’n‘down both ways on a one-way street, yet), so you know they’ll be firing up their grills and packing 50 people into one backyard for Superspreader Sunday. :facepalm:[/quote]`

Ugh, I miss the quiet when we had curfew. Now all I hear late night is the `Fast and Furious` wannabees racing up and down the main avenue.

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Ugh, I miss the quiet when we had curfew. Now all I hear late night is the `Fast and Furious` wannabees racing up and down the main avenue.

Got ‘em here, too. Yesterday someone had a crotchrocket revving to 12k or so, and you hear what to me sound like dune-buggies racing somewhere around here.

I miss the days when people would actually race down Review or Laurel Hill Blvd but block off the roads to make sure no one would be around to get into any wrecks, but these jackasses just go racing down regular streets, and one day someone is gonna get creamed.

I thought down by you, you had HWY3 planted practically every few blocks looking for that kinda thing.

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One good thing about living in the middle of nowhere is that we get very little traffic on our street.

Also, part of our street is a dirt road, and if you continue on it very far, it gets dangerous, so that cuts down on traffic as well.

A problem in our housing community is short-term rentals.

Some people that do the short-term rentals party all the time and play loud music.

The sheriff's department gets called out pretty frequently, but I guess they aren't very effective if the partiers keep on partying.

Luckily this doesn't happen near our house very often, but it could in the future because one of the closest houses to our home is a short-term rental property.

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Dead quiet in my town. Today saw a patrol car slowwwly moving about the back alley, did a U turn and so slowly came back on it’s tracks. In 35+ years, 3rd time I see cops in the backstreets. They’re showing their presence and enforcing the stay-home curfew. People don’t dare openly chat about from their balconies, go to the parks or do anything that could lead to a hefty fine. We’re all very confused as to what we can or can’t do. There are provincial regulations and then the municipal keeps changing the conditions of open activities. Also, the media with the uprising stats gives you the shivers. In this part of nowhere, people aren’t defiant.

But, I do like the peace and the daily humdrum of motorists has faded from memory.

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Wait… what?? This is in Canada?

Huh… lookit that. Just goggled it, and whaddya know.

Last time I was in Montreal was when I was back in college. Had to dodge velociraptors back then, too.

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Dead quiet in my town. Today saw a patrol car slowwwly moving about the back alley, did a U turn and so slowly came back on it’s tracks. In 35+ years, 3rd time I see cops in the backstreets. They’re showing their presence and enforcing the stay-home curfew. People don’t dare openly chat about from their balconies, go to the parks or do anything that could lead to a hefty fine. We’re all very confused as to what we can or can’t do. There are provincial regulations and then the municipal keeps changing the conditions of open activities. Also, the media with the uprising stats gives you the shivers. In this part of nowhere, people aren’t defiant.

But, I do like the peace and the daily humdrum of motorists has faded from memory.


That sounds a little heavy handed to me. A year ago when the lock down first hit, a few reports of police stopping motorists and issuing tickets for driving out of their area for no good reason. Public outcry seemed to have stopped that or it went unreported because that was the last I heard of it. Our local District Att. said he would not be prosecuting that type of crime.
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The one good thing about the pandemic has been the lowering of noise from the neighboring apartment complex. In the last several years, they were having pool parties with large sound systems blasting music so loud that I could not use my phone in my apartment, or hear my television or a radio. It was headache-inducing, and it want on for hours. When I went over there to ask them to turn down the volume, I got blank stares and nasty looks in response. The apartment management said they told their tenants they could play music as loud as they wanted to, and they were not going to ask them to stop doing that. The police said they couldn’t enforce the noise ordinance before the time listed in the law (11:00pm) for general noise complaints. They ignored the part of the ordinance saying that playing sound reproduction devices producing noise across property boundaries is illegal.

I had to call the city, which helped by having an official call the apartment complex managers and explain the law to them. The city told me I have to call the police first, then call the city, if I want their help. The apartment complex managers allegedly said they would tell their tenants about the law, but I doubt they are going to hold their tenants accountable, based on recent events.

During the pandemic, there have not been any such pool parties, but there was recently a picnic in the grassy area just outside my window, with very loud music for hours. I bought a decibel meter to get ready for the summer, when I expect the pool parties to begin again. It creates graphs and reports of all the measurements. I figure I need good evidence, as the city didn’t seem enthusiastic about helping me in the past. The police say they are not responding to noise complaints during the health emergency.

The city says it has drafted a new noise ordinance, but when they did a first draft over a year ago, I looked at it and found that it was all based on decibel limits and left out any provision that would have applied to the pool parties or picnics on the grassy areas. I told them at the time that they can’t expect us to all have decibel meters, and that there were huge gaps in the new ordinance. I gave them a detailed explanation of why the gaps were a problem. I hope the new draft law is better. It will be released soon.

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I think if noise disturbance is your biggest issue you’re doing okay.

I’m sorry to hear about the ongoing lockdowns and curfews going on in any part of the world. Non-action and over-compliance in this situation could be a dangerous precedent I’m afraid. I hope people speak out and draw lines in the sand for preservation of life for those still living.

Here’s an article from the nearby Salk institute on the latest understanding of the vascular effects and mechanisms of C19, namely the spike protein. https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-pl...

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JaredM wrote:
Here’s an article from the nearby Salk institute on the latest understanding of the vascular effects and mechanisms of C19, namely the spike protein. https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-pl...

Couldn’t this explain the common symptoms after mRNA vaccination?

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There are unsupported claims in that article stating that the vaccine induced spike protein is somehow different and ‘safe’. I’ve attempted more research in the last 24hrs to find out how it’s different and have not yet gotten a clear answer. Obviously the synthesis route and mode and location of administration different, but I’m not sure about how there is confidence that the spike protein is contained and kept from the bloodstream therefore migrating to any part of the body with vulnerable ACE2. Also, as far as I know, and someone correct me with better peer reviewed info if I’m wrong, but currently every vaccine with emergency approval (USA) introduces the spike protein in one way or another and primarily functions by creating a strong immune response against it.

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I thought too this was the explanation of post-vaccination thrombosis. However, from the Salk report, clearly marked in the opening paragraph:

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LA JOLLA—Scientists have known for a while that SARS-CoV-2’s distinctive “spike” proteins help the virus infect its host by latching on to healthy cells. Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines) also play a key role in the disease itself.

Also, this publication (link ) from the OSF (Center for Open Source), which is usually peer-reviewed but not this publication (to my better knowledge) also concludes the active virus disrupts the mitochondria, but inconclusive with the vaccines, mRNA types ( page 7, bottom line).

From this publication of the University of Oxford (link ) there is a link to where they got their data and the above research paper.

So as JaredM pointed out, there doesn’t seem to be a supported claim the vaccine does not interfere with the mitochondria.

It is an emergency vaccination program and undoubtedly we will see side effects.

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I should add that the OSF study CVT incidents post COVID diagnosis is about 150 per million (page 7) and those that receive a vaccine is about 5 per million for the Astra/Zeneca, 0.9 per million for the J&J. The incidences of the mRNA vaccines are on par to any random incidence of such in North America, at 0.53 cases per million. But this last data may change with higher sample size.

There is much number crunching and deciphering, and I must admit I did not look over the raw data. But evidently, post-COVID incidences of thrombosis* are higher than vaccination.

  • I lost track between CVT (Cerebral Venous Thrombosis – pertaining to the brain)) and PVT (Portal Vein Thrombosis – pertaining to the liver duct to the intestine). There are other thromboses (clotting) but I believe they have been broadened and do not know of such documented analysis.
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Pfizer and others have explained that the mRNA in their vaccine that instructs the cells to create the spike protein is broken down by the cell after the protein is synthesized, and the spike protein itself is destroyed when it leaves the cell and encounters an immune response. So no, they aren’t carried around in the bloodstream intact. And I haven’t seen any evidence that the vaccines have any negative effect on the mitochondria.

I’m not going to go into detail about this, because it arguably broaches a subject prohibited by the forum rules.

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JaredM wrote:
There are unsupported claims in that article stating that the vaccine induced spike protein is somehow different and ‘safe’. I’ve attempted more research in the last 24hrs to find out how it’s different and have not yet gotten a clear answer. Obviously the synthesis route and mode and location of administration different, but I’m not sure about how there is confidence that the spike protein is contained and kept from the bloodstream therefore migrating to any part of the body with vulnerable ACE2. Also, as far as I know, and someone correct me with better peer reviewed info if I’m wrong, but currently every vaccine with emergency approval (USA) introduces the spike protein in one way or another and primarily functions by creating a strong immune response against it.

Thanks, Jared. Yes, I found the same claim about this being different, and also no explanation. I’m not worried since we have very little problems with the vaccine in contrast to problems with Covid-19. And I hope there will be no long-term effects of the protein fingers crossed.

This might be the price to pay until someone comes up with a better idea. And it should teach us some humbleness about nature and our understanding of it.

Edit: Saw NorthernHarriers and Sidneys entries too late. Hope you’re right.

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BTW, back to topic – I had symptoms yesterday, but feel really well today, except the sore muscle. Maybe it was not related.

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I got my second shot today!

My left arm (where I got the shot) was a little sore for 15-30 minutes.

Also, there was almost no line at all.

Four weeks ago there was a long line.

If I have any more side effects, I'll post them in this thread.  :-)

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Also, I went to Walmart today.

There was a guy in there with a "chin diaper".

That's when you wear a mask, but you don't cover your nose or your mouth with the mask.

It's bad enough when people don't cover their nose, but c'mon!

I'm glad California still has a mask mandate, and I'm glad most people follow the mandate in my neighborhood.

But people that don't know how to wear a mask, or choose not to--I avoid them like the Covid.  :BEER:

 

UPDATE:

My left arm is tender in the area where I got the shot, but it's no big deal.

I just have to not lean on my left side.

I hope it doesn't affect my sleeping as I always sleep on my side.

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the spike protein itself is destroyed when it leaves the cell and encounters an immune response. So no, they aren’t carried around in the bloodstream intact.

If they are escaping the cell, do we know where and how far they go before before encountering a proper immune attack? I’m not suggesting I have the answer, but with the shear numbers of vaccines and therefore opportunities for entropy to do its work, I’d say it seems statistically likely for one S protein in someone to enter the blood.

To be clear, I’m trying to keep up with the latest research and keep uncertainties in check. If you have links to detailed answers or research papers about the containment of the S protein, it’d be beneficial for everyone.

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Not sure if theorising possible biological interference by body-produced spike protein is at any level relevant if real world mass data already available over a period of months and millions of vaccinated people does not show that harm, and I see no biological mechanism how this could become a longterm effect showing up only months after the jab (both the mRNA and produced spike protein is very unstable and is broken down in hours/maybe days, not months).

(And as a reminder: what the mass data does show is how incredibly effective the vaccins are in stopping both getting and spreading COVID-19, a nasty disease that actually harms people and kills, no-one a year ago would have dreamed how good the current vaccines would become and how fast they are available, and hopefully for the whole world soon. We are soooo lucky to have these vaccines and people seem to have no idea about that)

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djozz wrote:
Not sure if theorising possible biological interference by body-produced spike protein is at any level relevant if real world mass data already available over a period of months and millions of vaccinated people does not show that harm, and I see no biological mechanism how this could become a longterm effect showing up only months after the jab (both the mRNA and produced spike protein is very unstable and is broken down in hours/maybe days, not months).

All facts undisputed, I still find it nice to discuss the mechanisms, especially in this nice civil manner shown here. I learn a lot while browsing the BLF Thumbs Up .

djozz wrote:
(And as a reminder: what the mass data does show is how incredibly effective the vaccins are in stopping both getting and spreading COVID-19, a nasty disease that actually harms people and kills, no-one a year ago would have dreamed how good the current vaccines would become and how fast they are available, and hopefully for the whole world soon. We are soooo lucky to have these vaccines and people seem to have no idea about that)

People around me are quite eager to getting vaccinated.

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The 109 used to have a few points on Francis Lewis north of Northern Blvd they used as blind mans curves to catch speeders but the past few years they`ve been mysteriously absent which is unbelievable since where Francis Lewis and Utopia Pkwy intersect is a major death intersection, especially for motorcycles.

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