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And that’s the same Public Health England .pdf cited above.

Wow..

I read the whole news article (newconcerns.com is the source, btw) you quoted above.
I won’t debate things as I don’t have enough knowledge or sources for facts or arguments, and I can tell that some things are indeed scary if they are true (I’m not saying they are not, I just don’t have means to go further onto them and analyze that dat).

But much of it falls in discredit when it says that it COVID-19 has a lethality rate on pair with seasonal flu, which is not true as several comparative studies in hospitalized patients have shown. Nay sayers will still beat that dead horse until it’s rotten… Facepalm

Apart from this, as this is about personal experiences, I’m still working from home most of the time, although I go to my workplace when needed (I need to go there to make videos with my deaf colleagues).
Currently, my city is at risk of having more restrictions due to newer infections, mostly due to the Delta variant.

Despite I put things in perspective, specially after reading some less common info as presented on the article quoted by LB, this week I will take my vaccine. I’m not sure which will be (eventually the J&J one), but I will tell about that when I get it.

Be safe folks. Body and mind!

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Not to toss fuel on any fires, but
but you just did

you are amplifying an offtopic post containing bad data, that suggests a dangerous conclusion that promotes an anti vaccination agenda

and people will argue about that too

my experience is people pretend SB is not around, and whatever he said only matters if he comes back and reminds you to stay on topic

posting statistics is troll bait, and replying to them is promotimg the disinformation objectives, which is to gaslight people into doubting the science

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Please note that the topic of this thread has been changed to:


Coronavirus personal experiences thread


 


Back when this thread got started over a year ago, there was very little reliable information about COVID, and most of us didn’t quite know what to think. So this thread served its purpose with many helpful comments and links. But at this point, there is no shortage of news and/or disinformation and/or opinions and/or predictions and/or facts from any number of outlets that align with one’s personal views and preferences. By now, almost everyone has drawn their own conclusions regarding COVID and nothing will change their mind. So it’s no longer necessary or permitted on BLF to post links, quotes, opinions, facts, theories, or anything else apart from your own personal experiences relating to COVID.


 


Thanks in advance to everyone here for helping to keep the peace.


 


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My “personal experience” was that people were beating up on the guy, when I just stumbled upon the same info as he did, albeit from another source and a coupla days late. And that source was from Public Health England, not VaccinesWillKillYou.com or anything.

Just trying to undo a bit of “cyberbullying” that was going on… Like, cut the guy a break.

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All right, break it up before I have to come over there.

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Interesting statistic:

99% of the people that died from Covid-19 in May of 2021 in the U.S. were unvaccinated.

In other words, 99% of those deaths were avoidable.

UK must be on another planet . Look at the numbers from their own report : https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa... . ( page 13-14 )
Among 54k unvaccinated delta variant cases, 44 died while among 7k 2doses vaccinated cases, 50 died . This between february first 2021 and 21 of june .

Not to toss fuel on any fires, but bugger if I didn’t find exactly that today. (I knew it sounded familiar, so looked back to find this comment, and yep, there it is, the same publication.)

COVID Shot Increases Your Susceptibility to COVID Death

As noted by Hirschhorn,22 several doctors are now reporting that the majority of COVID-19 cases they see are fully vaccinated individuals. Dr. Harvey Risch of Yale, for example, claims the fully vaccinated account for 60% of his COVID caseload.23 This clinical observation stands in stark contrast to what you’ll read in the mainstream news. Lately, a slew of articles has been published declaring that most COVID deaths are now occurring in unvaccinated people.

U.K. data also show vaccinated people are at significantly increased risk of dying from the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 than unvaccinated ones, which suggests antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) might be at play.

A June 11, 2021, report24 by Public Health England shows that as a hospital patient, you are nearly six times more likely to die of the COVID Delta variant if you are fully vaccinated, than if you got no COVID shots at all. The information shows up in Table 6 on page 15, which lists emergency care and deaths by vaccination status and confirmed Delta cases from February 1, 2021, to June 7, 2021.

And that’s the same Public Health England .pdf cited above.

Wow..

You did not throw any fuel on the fire LB. Rest easy…..

YOU simply shared & verified, in a very clear manner I might add: info the other guy had already mentioned.

Information that anyone “considering” taking the CV Vaccine would be well to know & consider as part of their decision making process as to take or not take the vaccine. ✅

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you are both throwing fuel on the fire
and denying that youre doing it

not getting the vaccine is irresponsible, and dangerous,
to self and others

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…know & consider as part of their decision making process as to take or not take the vaccine. ✅

That’s all I really care to do. If someone wants to snort, smoke, inject, eat, drink, whatever, it’s none of my business, nor anyone else’s. As long as people can make an informed choice as to whether something’s good or bad, that’s what’s important.

I just want to bring light to the world…

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In the risk group, the UK has nearly 100% people vaccinated. What you see in hospitals are mostly the (roughly) 10% of them where the vaccine unfortunately didn’t work. You probably won’t see a 25yo unvaccinated there, where the lethality is a fraction of a 1/1000.

So, it makes me wonder why only 6 times of severe cases are vaccinated in contrast to unvaccinated (according to something I read in a post above). Should be more, but my numbers are rough estimates.

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As long as people can make an informed choice as to whether something’s good or bad, that’s what’s important.

Yes, but sometimes the truth is hard to see (statistics is not easy), so people like us need people able to interprete the data. I find it difficult to trust anyone here.

Smile, you cannot kill them all.

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Lightbringer wrote:
ShyOne wrote:
…know & consider as part of their decision making process as to take or not take the vaccine. ✅

That’s all I really care to do. If someone wants to snort, smoke, inject, eat, drink, whatever, it’s none of my business, nor anyone else’s. As long as people can make an informed choice as to whether something’s good or bad, that’s what’s important.

I just want to bring light to the world…

Agreed. One size Does Not necessarily fit all with this vaccine, or any vaccine really. There are “risks” associated with any of them, as there are risks with any medication. This is where risk/benefit ratio assessment comes in.

ANY person, if they so desire; should be absolutely free to make an informed choice as to whether or not to personally take the CV Vaccine. This choice should be absolutely free of harrassment, judgement, or peer pressure.

FACTS….

  • These CV Vaccines are NOT approved for use by the FDA
  • These CV Vaccines ARE granted Emergency Status use by the FDA
  • SO, at this point; the use of CV Vaccines are one big human trial. (I AM NOT saying if this is Good or Bad. Just it is what it is.)
  • It is required by LAW that people be completely informed of the benefits as well as the dangers of taking these trial vaccines in order for them to accurately access for themselves the risk/benefit ratio of them taking the vaccine.
  • It is 100% against the LAW to offer prizes, inducements, pay (money), FREE STUFF, or anything in order to sway a person to receive the CV Trial vaccine.

The above FACTS are but a few of the things a person should consider.

I AM NOT saying don’t take the vaccine.

I AM SAYING to access the risk/benefit ratio as it applies to YOU & then YOU decide for YOURSELF to take or not take the CV Vaccine.

(Of course, it should go without saying; consult a Medical Professional that YOU TRUST as you do your personal risk/benefit ratio concerning the CV Vaccine.)

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Reading statistical data well and getting the correct story out of it is something only a few can do well, it is not easy. The majority needs someone who does that for them.

Some people who do that have an agenda and present their own wrong story.

Some of the majority who can not read data wrongly think that they can and make up wrong stories.

Some of the majority who can not read data themselves listen to the people who made the wrong stories.

It is a matter of avoiding the agendas and trusting people who really know statistics.

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But about own experiences: last friday I had my first Moderna shot Smile

I’m late to the party for my age group in my country because initially I declined the invitation for the jab because this spring I took part in a phase3 trial for a different vaccin (from Curevac) and taking the “official” jab would end my contribution to the trial, and I like to be helpful. But two weeks ago, the preliminary results of the Curevac trial showed a rather low effectivity for contracting Covid (less than 50% protection from that), so we were advised to take the regular jab on top of it. The protection that Curevac gave to hospitalisation and death was much higher by the way (over 90%), so I did not take life/death risks it appears Smile

I realise that we are in a luxury position in the EU, and wished that everyone in the world had access to good vaccines right now (and not next year or even later, like some parts of the world Sad )

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Any side effects, djozz?

My mother and I had a sore throat for weeks, something that is not documented apparently. Otoh, her MD told her that this was typical for B/P in his experience. A mystery.

Btw, I have full protection since Jul 1st. Throat feels almost normal now. Second shot was 16th of June.

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So what happened to India? Anybody here know?

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jon_slider wrote:
you are both throwing fuel on the fire
and denying that youre doing it

not getting the vaccine is irresponsible, and dangerous,
to self and others

With all due respect, I completely disagree with everything you have said.
Each of your statements are highly subjective.

We have done nothing but present a more balanced discussion.

Trying to impose your choices on others is what is dangerous & irresponsible.

Anyone is free to choose to take the Vaccine or not.
For you to impose your choices & beliefs on those people is 100% intrinsically wrong.

To imply, or in this case just outright say; “not getting the vaccine is irresponsible, and dangerous, to self and others”…. is just wrong. Sad

Everyone is responsible for their own choices. You are, I am, everyone else is.
None of us can impose our choices on another.
Simple as that…… ✅

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I do not intend to put fuel on the fire but I would appreciate to learn more about the statistics of the UK Public Health article. I hope to reading more information on that matter to assess better what to believe or trust in and what not.

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:

I do not intend to put fuel on the fire but I would appreciate to learn more about the statistics of the UK Public Health article. I hope to reading more information on that matter to assess better what to believe or trust in and what not.


I’m sure you’ll find enough information on the net, but let me recommend you an article in the Spektrum:

https://www.spektrum.de/kolumne/delta-variante-warum-unter-den-coronatot...

Smile, you cannot kill them all.

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Thank you Unheard, that is very helpful information.  Thumbs Up
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Any side effects, djozz?

My mother and I had a sore throat for weeks, something that is not documented apparently. Otoh, her MD told her that this was typical for B/P in his experience. A mystery.

Btw, I have full protection since Jul 1st. Throat feels almost normal now. Second shot was 16th of June.


Some pain where the shot was given, shifting down a bit over the day (probably the vaccine stuff spreading in the muscle). In the evening and next day light nausea and general not feeling well.

It was the same for the Curevac shots back in March and April.

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Last updated: July 06, 2021, 08:20 GMT

331,449,281 / USA Population

~~~ 621,335 / COVID Deaths

0.18746005 / % of USA Pop. Died

In simple laymans terms.

As of the above date in the USA there was a 0.18746005 % chance of catching COVID & dying with it.

That, as of the above date; is a 99.81253995% chance of NOT catching & dying with COVID in the USA.

Those numbers are simple FACTS. Draw your own conclusions. ✅

If memory serves correct, the first COVID case was officially diagnosed in the USA about 17 months ago.

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. I’m going to get my first dose, Astrazeneca this thursday. My superior asked me today whether I want to get vaccine or not. I said I won’t if it’s Sinovac. He quiet for a while and use his phone called to somewhere and later he said O.K. you can have Astrazeneca. Hmm, lucky me.
. While other country trying to use more efficient vaccine, my millitary government still buy and use Sinovac. Medical staffs who work on the frontline hot only Sinovac and now they infected by Covid delta but the millitary government still not give them any better vaccine and try their best to protect Sinovac’s name and ignore thise Medical workers. Dammit! You know, I don’t mind if I have to fight like Myanma righ now.
. O.K. on Thursday I will see what they will give me. If it’s Sinovac, I won’t let them inject that shit into my body and I might give a kind friendly smack to my superior. lol

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ShyOne wrote:
With all due respect, I completely disagree with everything you have said.

well, I feel the same way about your opinion, so, now that we can agree that we disagree, how about we stop trying to argue, convince, or explain why our opinions are what they are.

Visualize Whirled Peas.

ShyOne wrote:
Those numbers are simple FACTS

why do you insist on misusing this thread to discuss controversial facts that we have been asked to Stop sharing, here?

which part of this do you not understand? or do you simply choose to be noncooperative because you feel an uncontrollable urge to share your opinion, here?

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Friendly reminder to everyone… sb56637 wrote: Please note that the topic of this thread has been changed to: Coronavirus personal experiences thread Back when this thread got started over a year ago, there was very little reliable information about COVID, and most of us didn’t quite know what to think. So this thread served its purpose with many helpful comments and links. But at this point, there is no shortage of news and/or disinformation and/or opinions and/or predictions and/or facts from any number of outlets that align with one’s personal views and preferences. By now, almost everyone has drawn their own conclusions regarding COVID and nothing will change their mind. So it’s no longer necessary or permitted on BLF to post links, quotes, opinions, facts, theories, or anything else apart from your own personal experiences relating to COVID. Thanks in advance to everyone here for helping to keep the peace.
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jon_slider wrote:
misusing this thread to discuss controversial facts that we have been asked to Stop sharing, here?

Raccoun saying 99% of the deaths were from the unvaccinated is so off the mark that i tried to correct it by showing that in UK it’s less than 50% . You certainly don’t bother with his, just mine . As for the pleasure in this thread, stop bullying and it will be better .

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This is the map of the new infections in NEPA. Shutting down nicely
Edit: No new deaths reported.

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Welcome to the ‘Cancel’ culture …….. why cant we all just ‘listen’ and think objectively….. beyond that, any disagreement is futile.

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It would be interesting to see maps of other areas of US and compare them to the vaccination % of that area. In Pa 50% have 2 shots and 63% has 1.

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In Pa 50% have 2 shots and 63% has 1.

How’s that possible?

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