"Pure Copper" Aliexpress S2+ generic. (Edit it's BRASS!)

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"Pure Copper" Aliexpress S2+ generic. (Edit it's BRASS!)

Found this on Aliexpress.
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/4000473669870.html?pid=808_0000_0101&spm=a...

Not exact copy of Convoy S2+, but very similar.
Description says copper but it looks like brass.
Anyone familiar with it?

Edited by: Nooner on 03/12/2020 - 19:59
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Very interesting find. I will keep an eye on this one! It says there are 995 pieces available, so I’m going to wait until there are some customer reviews. Even if it’s brass, that’s still a pretty cool looking S2+. Hopefully it truly is copper.

I’d rather use my flashlight around the house than turn on the lights.

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Wow killer price but I’m sure it is brass and not copper. I asked several Aliexpress sellers in the past and learned that yellow copper is brass and red copper or was it purple copper is copper. The driver in this is also for sure not going to be as good as the Convoy drivers but that’s not an issue if you plant to use it as a host.

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Those aren’t actual photographs, they are CAD renders.

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SKV89 wrote:
… yellow copper is brass and red copper … is copper.

I agree

Olight also made a brass light and called it “Copper”
they also make some very nice actual copper lights

olight-i3e-eos-copper,
is actual copper

https://kidosshop.com/product/olight-i3e-eos-copper-luxeon-tx-led-120-lu...

.

Olight i3s Cu
is actually not copper
it is brass, with titanium gold colored PVD coating over brass

https://www.batteryjunction.com/olight-i3s-cu-ti.html

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394-C5-AE7-B79-F-492-C-BDA9-B2-EA08-A6-A917

This is the actual picture of the torch

It looks more like brass

Or some anodised colour

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Nice find Forsh.
Where is that photo from? I’m not seeing it from the seller.
Are there others?

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It looks like gold anodising to me, but you could not be sure…… the pics on ali seem to be renderings

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Ok, here’s the same light i think – AMAZON
Being sold as the same ‘pure copper’ light
BUT in description – ★Strong light long-range flashlight, high brightness, long range, large capacity, long battery life, aluminum alloy body, field, cycling, lighting, home, maintenance, etc., all meet your needs

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I just dont get. I mean they say its copper and it looks like brass but really is aluminum. Bamboozled again.

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Nooner wrote:
Nice find Forsh. Where is that photo from? I’m not seeing it from the seller. Are there others?

I asked the store to send me pictures of the actual flashlight

They was nice and said no problem , sent it to my email

I m not sure it’s even brass though

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I think it’s probably titanium, coated in copper then brass – finished off with a sleeve of aluminium in a luxurious gold anodised finish. Silly

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G0OSE thanks for finding that.
That Amazon listing has a lot of technobabble in it.
But yes it does list “aluminum alloy body” as you point out. (Should say aluminium for the UK, no? Big Smile )

It also lists the weight as 131 grams. That would be too heavy for an aluminum host alone. My brief search on BLF tells me an aluminum S2+ is 81 grams. Unless they are including the battery in which case that would be right on for an aluminum host with an 18650.

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They are including a battery and charger !

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the amazon link also says the light is a Zoomie, with large astigmatism…. and other nonsense:

Mechanical telescopic focusing, astigmatism, eccentric adjustment, eagle-eye spherical resin concentrating mirror, high transmittance, large astigmatism

Material: other

Color classification: pure copper flashlight

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Has anyone noticed on the AE  Shenzhen A plus Lighting Ltd Store the estimated delivery date of this brass color S2+ clone?

May 9th,2020

The Amazon UK seller lists it as In Stock

Brass pill or driver shelf?

 

 

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forsh wrote:
They are including a battery and charger !

That’s what I’m afraid of!

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Basically it’s anyone’s guess – who’s ordering to find out lol!

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If anyone wants to order it I can help him with a $10 coupon

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Ahh what the heck. Just ordered it.
I’ll definitely post my findings once it arrives.
Stay tuned until May 9th I guess.

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Well I think about ordering it…

But from picture I am 90% sure it’s gold colored alu

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G0OSE wrote:
I think it’s probably titanium, coated in copper then brass – finished off with a sleeve of aluminium in a luxurious gold anodised finish. Silly

Or just Chinese copper.

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forsh wrote:
some anodised colour
yup
and the weight is correct for aluminium

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Nooner wrote:
Just ordered it.
congrats, I hope you enjoy it

here is another (copper) light from your link
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32718131525.html

the number of contradicting statements in the description, boggle the mind
“Purple Bronze, 300 lumen, reverse clicky, tailcap twisty”

looks a bit like a cross between an Eiger and a Sapphire

how can I resist? LOL
(easy, just step away from the keyboard)

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is really copper? it looks very yellow ? its probably just painted yellow and not true copper with the extra weigth..

they just trick people inte believing its pure copper.. its 99% not…

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Correct me please if I am barking up the wrong tree:

The ratio of mass densities of copper/aluminum = ( 8.96gm/cm^3) / (2.73gm/cm^3) = 3.28

If an aluminum S2+ is purported to be 81gm, then a similar body in pure copper should
weigh approximately: 81gm x 3.28 = 265gm?

If 131gm is purported to be the weight of this “pure” copper light, it
Most probably taint copper.

Bamboozled. Mashugganahs. Smile

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manithree wrote:
G0OSE wrote:
I think it’s probably titanium, coated in copper then brass – finished off with a sleeve of aluminium in a luxurious gold anodised finish. Silly

Or just Chinese copper.


You mean Chopper? Silly
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Like eating is proof of the pudding, weighing is proof of the material.
A ratio of 3.28 is a bit too steep, for an aluminum light has parts that are not aluminum.
And those are the same parts that are not made of copper in a copper light.

Anyway, my copper C2+ (1st.edition) weighs 175g without a battery, and 222g with a 30Q.
So 131g could be a thin-walled copper light without battery, or an aluminum light with battery.

Sorry to re-enstate the (remote) possibility this light is actually a copper light.

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The knurling looks nice. This light looks less lego’d together than an s2+.

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Henk, is it possible your copper S2+ may also be made from a copper alloy,
not
From pure copper? Cost effective? Better thermal properties? A better profit margin?

BTW, can we assume the electronic components of both the Cu/Al are similar, so
Cancels out.

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Starkm32 wrote:
Henk, is it possible your copper S2+ may also be made from a copper alloy,
not
From pure copper? Cost effective? Better thermal properties? A better profit margin?

BTW, can we assume the electronic components of both the Cu/Al are similar, so
Cancels out.

Cheers, Heineken Beer

You have to ask Simon (Convoy) that question as I got the light from him, but I don’t think so.

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Does “large astigmatism” translate to “large near sightedness”: i.e. floody?

My S2+ (s) throw purty well. Not zoomy, not floody Thumbs Up

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