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Best option for a compact zooming flashlight 1x 18650

I need to replace my romisen rc-c8 as i gave it to a bycicle enthusiast who liked it very much.

Was looking at this one:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.44662

The price seems ok, the emitter is kind of weak, the main issue could be the lens size. What are your opinions?

Doesen't matter if it's push pull or twisty head design.

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Definitely the MXDL SA-28. http://www.kaidomain.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=9567

It's my brightest thrower. I have 2 Romisen RC-C6 (Q3 and Q5), X2000, and various other cheap zooming lights (Sipik SK-58).

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This looks nicer:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.44573

It's from the same make, and edi-t is supposedly good. I'm probably going to get it sooner or later.

 

I have the mxdl sa-28, and while it's competent, I'm not that impressed with it. Another member here who has several zoom lights was pleased with:

http://www.manafont.com/product_info.php/powerstyle-w109-floodtothrow-3m...

I've yet to recieve mine from dx.

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I should have specified earlier that flood is more important.

That MXDL sa-28 from kaidomain is supposedly a q5 nowadays?

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.44573 it does not suit my taste in aesthetics

http://www.manafont.com/product_info.php/powerstyle-w109-floodtothrow-3m...  this one seems a q3 at best and some weird mode to operate the zoom.

 

Should i build my own with a r5 emitter?

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Nobody has the equipment to test for bin and chinese makers tend to claim what they want. It doesn't cost any more to print q5 than q3 on the side of a tube.

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There are a number of versions on ebay of the X2000  that includes both a battery cartridge and an extension ring to allow the use of both 3xAAA and 18650. Here's one of them:

http://cgi.ebay.com/CREE-LED-Flashlight-Torch-Adjustable-Focus-200-Lumens-/270578095724?pt=US_Flashlights&hash=item3effb6166c

Here's a brief cpf review on the particular one above, but there are several other variations on ebay as well.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=296066

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Definitely the MXDL SA-28. You may also buy a 28 mm lens: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5297

and put in a suitable P60 host with a R2. You will get all the throw you can ask for

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My more powerfull x2000 type flashlight is the Tank007 737 and the second the MXDL SA-28.

737 has more open focus on flood than SA-28, but is most uncomfortable for screw to focus.

The SA-28 is very similar in power,more cheap and more comfortable to operate.

I also vote for the SA-28.


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Budgeteer wrote:

 

http://www.manafont.com/product_info.php/powerstyle-w109-floodtothrow-3m...  this one seems a q3 at best and some weird mode to operate the zoom.

 

Should i build my own with a r5 emitter?

 

The correct word is not weird, but sophisticated. If you use it on a bycicle, you probably want a zoom, which remains there where you set it, even if you drive on a bad road. So, the w901 has some adwantage there. Yes, if it is flow you want, modding it to R5 would be a good idea.

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Definitely the MXDL SA-28. You may also buy a 28 mm lens: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5297

and put in a suitable P60 host with a R2. You will get all the throw you can ask for

 

That lens doesn't have proper focal distance on the p60 modules/reflectors I tried. The FL is a few mm longer than from the emitter to top of module.

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The MXDL SA-28 is a twist (threaded) zoom or a push-pull zoom?

 

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Nautic wrote:

Definitely the MXDL SA-28. You may also buy a 28 mm lens: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5297

and put in a suitable P60 host with a R2. You will get all the throw you can ask for

Already tried but never liked the artifacts. Besides that i'm looking for a good floodlight since throwers i have plenty.

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Oldienea wrote:

Budgeteer wrote:

 

http://www.manafont.com/product_info.php/powerstyle-w109-floodtothrow-3m...  this one seems a q3 at best and some weird mode to operate the zoom.

 

Should i build my own with a r5 emitter?

 

The correct word is not weird, but sophisticated. If you use it on a bycicle, you probably want a zoom, which remains there where you set it, even if you drive on a bad road. So, the w901 has some adwantage there. Yes, if it is flow you want, modding it to R5 would be a good idea.

 

I stand corrected. I'll probably give it a try.

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The MXDL SA-28 is a twist (threaded) zoom or a push-pull zoom?

 

 

Push pull.  Personally I even prefer the c78 if you can get an original one (not dx's new crappier batches). I have one on order from LT.

 

Most of the zoom lights are not all that. I've yet to find one with perfect memory and good QC. Romisen is also in the mail.

 

Hopefully the edi-t ones are better.

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Nautic wrote:

Definitely the MXDL SA-28. You may also buy a 28 mm lens: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5297

and put in a suitable P60 host with a R2. You will get all the throw you can ask for

 

That lens doesn't have proper focal distance on the p60 modules/reflectors I tried. The FL is a few mm longer than from the emitter to top of module.

 

I agree with that. I have experimented with an extra o-ring behind the lens, but

the result is not convincing. Sometimes I had problems getting the bezel mounted

if o-ring too thick.

I have put it on a Solarforce with a smooth reflector which minimise the artifacts and

I live with the FL as it is. At least its a cheap way to get that extra throw.

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I tried with an OP reflector and it looks like a xmas toy. The 28mm lens also fell to the ground a few times and always some piece chipped off. Now it is almost "charming star effects 28mm glass lens for flashlight".

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Budgeteer wrote:

I tried with an OP reflector and it looks like a xmas toy. The 28mm lens also fell to the ground a few times and always some piece chipped off. Now it is almost "charming star effects 28mm glass lens for flashlight".

ROFL

You can still paint the reflector in matte black to get rid of the artifacts of the OP reflector. But I guess this will not eliminate the "charming stars". LOL

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Oldienea wrote:

Budgeteer wrote:

I tried with an OP reflector and it looks like a xmas toy. The 28mm lens also fell to the ground a few times and always some piece chipped off. Now it is almost "charming star effects 28mm glass lens for flashlight".

ROFL

You can still paint the reflector in matte black to get rid of the artifacts of the OP reflector. But I guess this will not eliminate the "charming stars". LOL

 

An OP reflector is very bad with this lens. A SMO is better, and painted black must be quite useable.

I have not tried that myself.

Outside you dont notice the artifacts as much as indoors.

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Does the MXDL SA-28 still come with metal o-rings?  I ordered a Tank007 TK-737 about a week ago because I think it has normal o-rings and it looks like it's made better than the SA-28, but it seems like most people like the SA-28 more.  Also, I can't wait to read a decent review of one of those new EDI-T 18650 flood-to-throw flashlights.


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I might try one out.

I like only two versions:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.44662 - probably

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.44663 - unlikely

If they were q5, driven at 1-1,2A regulated and hi/lo (wouldn't mind a 0,3Hz beacon mode) i would have already bought a dozen.

Another issue would be the lens diameter which i don't know how negatively would impact the flood and the loss of emitter side spill which doesen't get reflected out.

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Can't find a reasonably priced mxdl sa-28 but found this:

http://www.lightake.com/detail.do/sku.SmallSun_ZY_C84_LED_Flashlight_Bla...

About the same thing? Q3 though...

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Yes the Smallsun looks quite nice. But the last Smallsun I bought wasn't very good quality. Not terrible overall, but it only has a flimsy "holllow" alu driver pill - the kind where all the heat from the LED star has to transfer via the thin edge of the star - there is nothing for the star to sit directly on. Probably many of the cheap lights has the same construction, but in my view this gives a very poor basis for upgrading led or modding, as you will never get adequate cooling for the led if it is driven hard(ish). Or yes, if you take the trouble to file out a round piece of copper and custom fit it in the pill as backing for the star - but that is a lot of work to put in a $10 light Smile

 

- I might take the chance on the EDI-T P4 though, because I love the compact no-nonsense shape: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.44573

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Budgeteer wrote:

Can't find a reasonably priced mxdl sa-28 but found this:

http://www.lightake.com/detail.do/sku.SmallSun_ZY_C84_LED_Flashlight_Bla...

About the same thing? Q3 though...

 

The KD version is a Q5

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Again, they just printed Q5 on the side of the tube, just as all XP-G lights print R5 on the side. I can guarentee you not all XP-G's are R5.

 

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Yes. Some vendors will try to sell everything fake. We have seen a lot of that here!

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Hey, someone marked me as a spammer.  I may still be a newbie, but I'm not trying to spam this awesome forum.  I guess I shouldn't take it personally.

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Hey, someone marked me as a spammer.  I may still be a newbie, but I'm not trying to spam this awesome forum.  I guess I shouldn't take it personally.

 

Stuff happens. Once I've got them in a machine readable form I'll post the cartoons about "stuff" happening.

 

Despite my 2,000 or more posts, someone or something has marked posts of mine as spam. Don't worry about it. 

 

And since I've not said what I already should have, welcome to BLF racooncity. You are welcome here.

 

Enjoy your time here!

 

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Hey there raccoon city, don't worry, you're not a spammer.  Wink  I fixed your SPAM rating for you.

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Thanks Don and Mr. Admin.  I feel a lot better now.  What's kinda funny is that on eBay I have perfect feedback spanning 12 years even though I deserved negative feedback at least twice.

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Yes. Some vendors will try to sell everything fake. We have seen a lot of that here!

 

It's not because it's "fake". The Q5 is supposed to be more like a designation, like "3W Police", instead of a tech spec. Perhaps misleading, yes, but not a matter of intellectual property.

 

My theory is that these factories just have a few reels of whatever emitters they have, and if you order in large units you might get what you specify. For our type of small time order, you get what you get, so you should assume/expect the base bins.

 

OTOH, it doesn't really matter. A Q3 vs a Q5 is not going to visible to the naked eye anyway. A zoom light by design is going to put out less light  OTF than a reflectored design. The benefit is that the optics makes it more flexible if you need wide vs focused beam.

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I can tell the difference between the Romisen RC-C6 Q3 vs. Q5. The Q5 is slightly brighter and with less amps drawing at the tailcap. Perhaps it just has a better driver.

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