Super value C8+: Neal's own brand, with XHP50.2 or the Osram CSLNM1.1G THROWER LED, now available

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Super value C8+: Neal's own brand, with XHP50.2 or the Osram CSLNM1.1G THROWER LED, now available

Hi guys,

Today I received this pieces of history (for me at least): I call this history because this is my first time to own the venerable C8, and also to own a ‘‘tan sand” ano light.

Neal of Nealgadgets has finally entered his own brand into the market with his own combination of UI, driver, led combinations at an affordable price for all.

I personally find these two C8+ offerings from NG awesome for the money. Inexpensive, not cheap, and high-quality construction and parts..and super performance.

Look at the photos below up close…and you’ll understand what I mean.

Check it out!

The XHP50.2, uses the BLF A6 driver, while the Osram uses the tested regular C8 driver.

Hence, the Nealgadgets’ version of the venerable C8 ( now a C8+).

Product link:
XHP50.2 – NG C8+ XHP50.2
NG C8+ Osram KW CSLNM1.1 thrower

Store link:
NEALGADGETS

And now for some comparative photos: XHP50.2 always on the left, Osram, right


Orange peel reflector for the XHP50.2, High-reflectivity smooth reflector for the Osram pure thrower:


C8+ positive end shows the BLF A6 driver inside, regular C8+ driver for the Osram:


And now for some beamshot comparisons: XHP50.2 for all-around use while the Osram is pure-thrower’s lover’s delight

Do you notice the over-all smoothness of the XHP50.2’s beam and the Osram’s laser-like tightness?

Edited by: tatasal on 06/13/2020 - 18:37
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I hv the osram version. Freaking nice laser beam! And enjoying the ano as well hehe

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Wrathbringer27 wrote:
I hv the osram version. Freaking nice laser beam! And enjoying the ano as well hehe

Yes and yes!

While it’s impressively tight for max throw, yet it still has some usable spill, unlike an aspheric.

I’m an Osram fan btw, ever since l have the Nightwatch IRA Osram.

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tatasal wrote:
Wrathbringer27 wrote:
I hv the osram version. Freaking nice laser beam! And enjoying the ano as well hehe

Yes and yes!

While it’s impressively tight for max throw, yet it still has some usable spill, unlike an aspheric.

I’m an Osram fan btw, ever since l have the Nightwatch IRA Osram.


I’m happy w the one light with an osram. Was considering between the C8+ XHP50.2 and the XT45 SBT90.2 and Vin just had the single mode XT45 which I think I’m going for!

But further down the road I will absolutely go for the XHP50.2 C8+

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Is it possible to configure the Osram version for single mode, 100% only?

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To my knowledge, the C8+ design is by Simon at Convoy
Is this an authorized version? Am I under the wrong impression here?

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spyderco monkey wrote:
Is it possible to configure the Osram version for single mode, 100% only?

I don’t think out-of-box it can be configured that way.

Perhaps to more knowledgeable driver modders, it can be done.

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Neal’s superb thrower for the money C8+ Osram Flat white with prices ranging from $19 to $24…depending on choice of Aluminum or Copper MCPCB is not bad at all.

It’s available using this link: C8+ Osram

For the XHP50.2: C8+ XHP50.2

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Scallywag wrote:
To my knowledge, the C8+ design is by Simon at Convoy
Is this an authorized version? Am I under the wrong impression here?

I guess that even if it is his design, other stores are selling that model on AliExpress. Wink
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Ordered the Wainlight NM1 a couple weeks ago and it says at customs, want to compare this to my FT03 sst40

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MascaratumB wrote:
Scallywag wrote:
To my knowledge, the C8+ design is by Simon at Convoy
Is this an authorized version? Am I under the wrong impression here?

I guess that even if it is his design, other stores are selling that model on AliExpress. Wink

Meh. I’ll give Simon my money 100x over before Neal
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What is the difference between the Osram KW CSLNM1.1, Osram KW CSLPM1.TG?

Does the latter have a further throw?

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Starkm32 wrote:
What is the difference between the Osram KW CSLNM1.1, Osram KW CSLPM1.TG?

Does the latter have a further throw?

Neal said the NM has more throw, while the PM has more lumens.

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I hope they are comming from convoy but just rebranded. Can somebody confirm?

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I hope they are comming from convoy but just rebranded. Can somebody confirm?

Neal’s C8+ hosts are sourced from Wainlight. Some other parts are sourced from his contacts in the industry.

Take a close look at the pics, from the host to the internal parts, the reflector, the tailcap/spring assembly…not you would expect from a complete small thrower Osram light at just about $20!

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I got one of the white flat c8s ($15USD one) but ended up using it as a host for another white flat on copper MCPCB, and a 5A driver from Convoy, as the one that comes with it is 8*7135, so 2.8A. Thing is a monster; I’ll do throw measurements on it tonight. (Unrelated, I know, but good to see what’s possible)

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oweban wrote:
I got one of the white flat c8s ($15USD one) but ended up using it as a host for another white flat on copper MCPCB, and a 5A driver from Convoy, as the one that comes with it is 8*7135, so 2.8A. Thing is a monster; I’ll do throw measurements on it tonight. (Unrelated, I know, but good to see what’s possible)

Would you mind linking to the driver you’re using please
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I used this four-mode one, but now there’s also the Biscotti-clone one available.

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So with a 5A driver and wf1 on copper mcpcb, I got 8966 lux at 5m, which is 224150 cd, which is 946.89m of ANSI throw.

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oweban wrote:
So with a 5A driver and wf1 on copper mcpcb, I got 8966 lux at 5m, which is 224150 cd, which is 946.89m of ANSI throw.

5m is too close for a thrower like this. I do 10 or 15m otherwise you can get a higher reading.

The reading also depends on how accurate your light meter is.

At 4.7A (same 5 amp driver) I got 975m. I thought that was accurate until I saw 1lumen’s review on the FT03 SST40 at 950m while I got 1040m. I think my meter is reading too high. The review was using quite an expensive meter so I reckon their’s would be more accurate than mine.

Make sure you do the test outside otherwise the light reflecting off the walls will add to the result. Inside vs outside gives 20-30m difference.

Neal’s is only driven at 2.8A so it’s certainly not the claimed 1000m or the 700 lumens. Mine at 4.7A gets 720 so 2.8A certainly isn’t 700

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Yeah, will have to do a test outside; pretty rainy here tonight.

That said, I reviewed the E10 (will be up on 1lumen soon) and got similar results at 5m inside to 10m outside, with outside giving slightly more distance. Zeroair got similar results to me, so I’m inclined to believe my lux meter.

Food for thought! Will replicate outside when the weather is nicer.

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25% off as Father’s Day … for 5 days, starting today:

Code to use: fathersday

Product list of items in this promo, including this C8 Osram: https://www.nealsgadgets.com/collections/fathers-day-deal

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Funtastic wrote:
oweban wrote:
So with a 5A driver and wf1 on copper mcpcb, I got 8966 lux at 5m, which is 224150 cd, which is 946.89m of ANSI throw.

5m is too close for a thrower like this. I do 10 or 15m otherwise you can get a higher reading.

The reading also depends on how accurate your light meter is.

At 4.7A (same 5 amp driver) I got 975m. I thought that was accurate until I saw 1lumen’s review on the FT03 SST40 at 950m while I got 1040m. I think my meter is reading too high. The review was using quite an expensive meter so I reckon their’s would be more accurate than mine.

Make sure you do the test outside otherwise the light reflecting off the walls will add to the result. Inside vs outside gives 20-30m difference.

Neal’s is only driven at 2.8A so it’s certainly not the claimed 1000m or the 700 lumens. Mine at 4.7A gets 720 so 2.8A certainly isn’t 700

The CSLPM1.1G w/copper MCPCB model I bought is using a BLF A6 driver and is reading >4A on a 30Q using a regular mulitmeter with regular thin probe wires.

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Looks like Neal’s C8+ Osram is the same as the Wainlight C8+ Osram NM1 in BG.

I measure 2.8 Amps max on the Wainlight C8+ Osram NM1, so probably somewhere like 500+ real lumens? (I have a lux meter but don’t have an integrating tube for measuring…)

I tried comparing visually a Convoy C8+ SST40 (“ramp” driver, which pushes around 7 Amps tailcap current on the SST40 LED), versus the C8+ Osram NM1 (2.8 Amps tailcap current) — the C8+ Osram appears to have a more intense (brighter) hotspot than the C8+ SST40 @ 7Amps. Although I find the C8+ Osram usability to depend on the situation, since it lights up a very small spot..

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The driver on both my Neal C8 and the WF one in the OP clearly have A6 drivers though, not sure how that would be limited to 2.8A since it only has 1×7135 AFAIK.

Anybody have pics of the Wainlight driver? There may be different ones used for WF 1mm vs 2mm

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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
The driver on both my Neal C8 and the WF one in the OP clearly have A6 drivers though, not sure how that would be limited to 2.8A since it only has 1×7135 AFAIK.

Anybody have pics of the Wainlight driver? There may be different ones used for WF 1mm vs 2mm

Hi,

I have the WF1 version, and it comes with the same diver as you can see in the review, the green one with 8×7135. One thing that I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere is that it comes with 3/5 mode firmware, the same that old convoys came with I think. I have just ordered a 5A driver, as a little more throw doesn’t hurt, and I really hate this firmware.

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Poguche wrote:
BurningPlayd0h wrote:
The driver on both my Neal C8 and the WF one in the OP clearly have A6 drivers though, not sure how that would be limited to 2.8A since it only has 1×7135 AFAIK.

Anybody have pics of the Wainlight driver? There may be different ones used for WF 1mm vs 2mm

Hi,

I have the WF1 version, and it comes with the same diver as you can see in the review, the green one with 8×7135. One thing that I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere is that it comes with 3/5 mode firmware, the same that old convoys came with I think. I have just ordered a 5A driver, as a little more throw doesn’t hurt, and I really hate this firmware.

Oh I’m dumb, didn’t even realize it’s the XHP50.2 version in the first post that has the A6 driver. My guess is that 8×7135 (probably just spare Convoy or clone 3/5 mode ones) is being used for the WF1 versions since they’re more sensitive to current and A6 is used for the WF2 since it can handle more, and the host isn’t super low resistance anyway.

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whats the kcd on the C8 Osram?

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whats the kcd on the C8 Osram?

If I recall people were getting 800m+ with the WF2 and 900m+ with the WF1 with drivers that ran them near their optimal output.

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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
justanotherguy wrote:
whats the kcd on the C8 Osram?

If I recall people were getting 800m+ with the WF2 and 900m+ with the WF1 with drivers that ran them near their optimal output.

One thing to note is that while the WF2 alredy comes with a driver that pushes the led hard, the WF1 comes with the 2.8A driver, so if your are not willing to mod, the throw may be very similar (or even better for the WF2 maybe?). In addition, the UI that comes with the WF1 is just outdated and very unconfortable (if you use low for short periods of time, it has happened to me twice in two days that I have enabled the blinky modes just by turning off by accident just after the blink…).

Just saying because if I knew this before purchasing, I think I would have purchased the WF2, and maybe other people are in the same situation. 6 euro for a new driver is significant if we are talking about a 20 euro light, and if you don’t have the tools for modding it, it adds up. Maybe if you don’t want it for higher output, but for sustained output, the WF1 is better.

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Poguche wrote:
BurningPlayd0h wrote:
justanotherguy wrote:
whats the kcd on the C8 Osram?

If I recall people were getting 800m+ with the WF2 and 900m+ with the WF1 with drivers that ran them near their optimal output.

One thing to note is that while the WF2 alredy comes with a driver that pushes the led hard, the WF1 comes with the 2.8A driver, so if your are not willing to mod, the throw may be very similar (or even better for the WF2 maybe?). In addition, the UI that comes with the WF1 is just outdated and very unconfortable (if you use low for short periods of time, it has happened to me twice in two days that I have enabled the blinky modes just by turning off by accident just after the blink…).

Just saying because if I knew this before purchasing, I think I would have purchased the WF2, and maybe other people are in the same situation. 6 euro for a new driver is significant if we are talking about a 20 euro light, and if you don’t have the tools for modding it, it adds up. Maybe if you don’t want it for higher output, but for sustained output, the WF1 is better.

Absolutely agreed, I never liked the 3/5-mode UI at all. Reason I went for the WF2 was just for a bit wider beam and I really lucked out I guess.

Wish Neal would have had some more info on the page for those trying to decide between the versions.

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