[UPDATED M4D deal] Manker “EDC Muscle Combo – BLF Limited”

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jojosupir wrote:
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If lights are going to be made specially for this groupbuy, would it be possible to produce them without glue?
I second to that.

I third that.
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I fourth that. Big Smile

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Please dont EVER use glue!

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I sixth that!

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These lights were built excellently with great UI, so we may not have a lot of room for improvement and mod.
I would not do much for mine and would not mind if Manker uses glue on these.
However, please Do NOT use LOCTITE or heavy glue.

That being said these glues should be good for us.

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TMaxxJJ wrote:
I sixth that!

Shouldn't you fifth that? Big Smile

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:

TMaxxJJ wrote:
I sixth that!

Shouldn’t you fifth that? Big Smile


I counted SKV89’s post as the fifth Big Smile
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contactcr wrote:
Looks like a nice big PCB but shelf is anodized and something isn’t flat by the looks of paste.

Can you measure optic width height and led opening?


Dia. 35mm x Height to leg shoulder 23.4mm x Emitter dia. opening 7.8mm

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Woah, stingy on the thermal grease Sad

Looks like an attiny44. I see a coil so hopefully this is a buck-boost arrangement. Any closer pics of the driver? Not necessary, I’m just curious about what they have going on here.


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Thanks KB. Attiny44 for sure. Can’t quite make out the power ICs, oh well.

Re: glue. It’s just the driver that’s glued in, right? I’m not a fan of glue, but I mean a little glue probably isn’t bad since there’s no retaining ring. I doubt I’ll pull the driver on this one anyhow. I’d rather have a small amount of glue than for the driver to be loose. /shrug

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SerenityNow wrote:
Question, will these lights accommodate normal flat top 18650/18350 batteries? The ones provided seem to be much longer with the included USB charging. Any pics of the internals of the heads and bases?

 


 


Yes,works.


Manker can you tighten up the 3 Optic receiver (leg) holes in the MCPCB it would do well to tighten the Hot Spot up. Mine has the hot spot oblong and off center to the emitter, the optic can shift linearly to the mcpcb throwing it off to the emitter…. not really awful bad, but to me, it is sloppy… it could be improved upon.. Slight burrs on the punch thru holes…

Chamfered and a couple drags across a piece of Glassed 1000grt… cleans up well…

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gchart wrote:
Thanks KB. Attiny44 for sure. Can’t quite make out the power ICs, oh well.

Re: glue. It’s just the driver that’s glued in, right? I’m not a fan of glue, but I mean a little glue probably isn’t bad since there’s no retaining ring. I doubt I’ll pull the driver on this one anyhow. I’d rather have a small amount of glue than for the driver to be loose. /shrug


Just the driver is glued… acetone or a strong lacquer thinner will do the trick… wet to saturate, let it set a spell, move driver radially back and forth to shear the glue…

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Vinh just uploaded a video comparing the L16, E10 and MC13. The manker looks very impressive assuming it’s using a 18350, can’t wait for this GB to go live.

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Im in Thumbs Up

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Signed up! What an awesome set! Thumbs Up

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I’ll probably jump in. Really want to see the high runtime graph for both lights first though.

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Does an unprotected 18350, like the keeppower UH1835P work in the 18350 tube?

Edit: oops nevermind, accidentally skipped a page and now see that Manker answered this question.

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EmptyWallets wrote:
I’ll probably jump in. Really want to see the high runtime graph for both lights first though.

You will not see one anytime soon if ever. The GB closes on August 20. Maybe one out of the 75 or so orders from this GB might spend the time to do a run time curve but then you won’t be paying this price.

You can watch Vinh’s videos of these lights to give you an idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtJoyQkDF2I&t=259s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xl8CJ3Vp74

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Review is in progress on 1lumen:
https://1lumen.com/news/

So I’m hoping the review is almost done.
If the runtime graph looks like the FC11 it’s instant no go for me.

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If the runtime graph looks like the FC11 it’s instant no go for me.

Is there any reason why it should? I’m not familiar with the runtime graph of the FC11 but they don’t seem to be similar or related lights in any way.

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It shouldn’t look like the direct drive runtime like on the FC11 based on an uninformed glance at the MC13’s driver. Exterior appearance has nothing to do with runtime graphs when both lights are running under thermal limit. It’s all about the LED driver and firmware. The FC11 just keeps dropping in output even when not thermally stressed whereas something like a Zebralight will run constant output all the way till the battery low given that it is under thermal limit.

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Ah, fair enough. So the example of the FC11 was just an example of really poor management. I’m still getting my head around a lot of this stuff as I’ve only been back in the game for a few months. It was years before that that I last bought a new light.

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If so then this group buy should be a killer combo for you. A flooder and a thrower incl batteries for $111 dollarydoos is a darn good deal IMO. If these drivers are as efficient as Olight drivers that would be really nice.

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My thoughts exactly. From my view the reviews seem good enough for me that I’ll take a chance. Definitely need to start studying runtime graphs though.

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Let me know if you have any questions but I’m glad that you’re paying attention to the runtime graphs and general efficiency. I can’t speak for BLF as I’m not on here often but a lot of people on the Reddit /r/flashlight don’t really care about driver efficiency beyond “ZEBRALIGHT GOOD” and there are a lot who are uninformed and some who are misinformed.

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Most of my info has been gathered from Reddit up til now. You’re right about the lack of discussion there. It’s mostly photos of beam shots and collections/new lights. Still fun but not that informative. Drivers and the differences are something I need to get into. Any suggestions for good places to start?

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Dickens wrote:
Most of my info has been gathered from Reddit up til now. You’re right about the lack of discussion there. It’s mostly photos of beam shots and collections/new lights. Still fun but not that informative.

A lot of the problem comes down to format. ToyKeeper said it better than I could here :
ToyKeeper wrote:
it has been a big factor in why detailed development and long-term projects happen here instead of on other sites. It’s nearly impossible to have threads longer than a few days on most social media sites, so the interactions tend to be shallow. Here though, we can easily keep a conversation going for years.

Dickens wrote:
Drivers and the differences are something I need to get into. Any suggestions for good places to start?

I’d probably start with some searches of this forum or a trip to the flashlight wiki. There’s a lot to unpack and that question is super broad. What were you wondering about?
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http://budgetlightforum.com/node/33820

Good post to get acquainted to the various types of drivers and how they differ.

I don’t know the specifics of the circuitry myself but this community has no small amount of engineers and even some who design drivers for production lights like Lexel.

ZeroAir Reviews has graphs for the largest amount of lights and he includes temperature data as well which is rly good.

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I signed up too.

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EmptyWallets wrote:
Review is in progress on 1lumen:
https://1lumen.com/news/

So I’m hoping the review is almost done.
If the runtime graph looks like the FC11 it’s instant no go for me.


Lights were received yesterday and things are looking good! I’m hoping to get runtime graphs put together this weekend and will hopefully have the review posted within a week.

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