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The Best XM-L Throwers: You Pick The Winner

I was ask to start this as its own thread of the best XM-L throwers with pictures.  So I will oblige.  This should decide at least for the sample I have of each of these lights which light reigns supreme as the king of current production manufacturered XM-L flashlights.

Now these pictures were all taken on 9X optical zoom with an ISO of 200 and were set on manual setting with a shutter speed of 1.5" and a focal of 4.  These settings seem to capture just about what my eyes see. 

Sunwayman T40CS

Olight M3X 60yds

Fenix TK41 60yds

Crelant 7G5 60yds

ThruNite Catapult V3 60yds

Olight SR51 60yds

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All about the same Smile I have got the Sunwayman and I don't regret it. The crelant might throw a bit further but at a cost of a smaller hotspot and narrow spill and therefore less of an allrounder.

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Sunwayman T40CS (mouse out) vs. Crelant 7G5 (mouse over)

Olight M3X (mouse out) vs. Crelant 7G5 (mouse over)

Sunwayman T40CS (mouse out) vs. Olight M3X (mouse over)


ILF, you definitely need a tripod for your camera...

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Good to see that your 7G5 is up to snuff now.   I received my new U2 16mm star from LED DNA.  Lets see if it would equal in output to the original one (or even give more output!)

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Olight M3X gets my vote from picture. It just came naturally. Smile

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Thanks coolperl.

2100,

I got a tailcap reading of 1.905 amps with Trustfire flame 18650 2400mah batteries from my new 7G5.  This thing is burning on the high side.  I love it. 

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From the pics it looks like the M3X and T40CS have the lesser spill compared to the rest, which should mean they are more able to collimate most of the output light in the hotspot, so better thrower than the others.

Hard to tell which one between M3X and T40CS is king. Maybe 60yds is too close a distance to really measure throw capability, would need a farther object pics to show differences.

Anyway Catapult V3 seems floody in comparison, and 7G5, TK41 and SR51 beamshots are very similar indeed, nice hotspot but with considerable sidespill (which apart from this King of Throw race, I consider very useful in real world usage), if not for the colour: SR51 is NW meanwhile 7G5 looks more CW, and TK41 in between.

 

Thanks for the pics ILF Smile

 

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I'm not sure I get the interest in more and more spill in lights that are purchased primarily for throw (if I'm correct regarding that assumption).

I understand perhaps wanting to have a wider rather than narrower hotspot in many cases but how does spill do anything positive?

It reduces contrast, creates backscatter and makes it harder to pick out whatever the hotspot if directed towards.

Surely no one is using these bigger throwers to see how to walk around the yard. I'm sure everyone has much better lights for that so what is the primary attraction to having more spill with a light whose strength is primarily as a thrower?

Educate me please :)

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Oh it's just a little personal preference. Agree too much spill makes for a lot of backscatter, but no spill at all and you see only what's in the hotspot. When I look in the distance I found with a little spill I can better recognize what's around the hotspot, instead of waveing the light around "searching" with abrupt transition between light and dark.

But if throw is discrimination to win the race, maybe I should not consider spill at all?

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gcbryan wrote:
I'm not sure I get the interest in more and more spill in lights that are purchased primarily for throw (if I'm correct regarding that assumption). I understand perhaps wanting to have a wider rather than narrower hotspot in many cases but how does spill do anything positive? It reduces contrast, creates backscatter and makes it harder to pick out whatever the hotspot if directed towards. Surely no one is using these bigger throwers to see how to walk around the yard. I'm sure everyone has much better lights for that so what is the primary attraction to having more spill with a light whose strength is primarily as a thrower? Educate me please :)

Those are essentially my thoughts too.

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I would buy the crelant 7G5: it has a brighter more usefull hotspot i think and i can't seem to see much difference in brightness with the other ones.

 

 
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ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS what tail cap readings do you get will all of your thowers?

That would help in determining which it better. Some of these lights may be over driven.

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It looks like I'm not a true flashaholic yet because none of these pictures makes me desperately want to hold something else than the SkyRay STL-V2 I already have... Cool

ILIKE... How about some close range white wall shots so we could "see" (or at least imagine by ourselves) the proportions of the hotspot vs. the spill? Perhaps even shot to a painted "target" with circles with a radius of e.g. 1ft, 2ft, 3ft etc. if that's possible.

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When I saw your first post after buying the 7G5 I was gutted I didn't buy the M3X, but now you have a replacement I'm happy again, 7G5 wins to my eyes Smile

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The m3x gets my vote out of that bunch. Got a few lights now huh?
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jsalmika wrote:

It looks like I'm not a true flashaholic yet because none of these pictures makes me desperately want to hold something else than the SkyRay STL-V2 I already have... Cool

You'd be fine with the STL-V2.  I have the STL-V6 and it's definitely in the same "throw" league....   We are just collectors, that's all.  

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The up close white wall shots can be misleading.  I always find myself saying this one is brighter...no wait this one is and so on when they are pretty close in brightness.  But if one is quite a bit brighter, you should see it.  But when you take nite shots at this yardage your eyes usually can pick the brighter one.  I know which one I know is the brightest. 

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PickNickeR wrote:

All about the same Smile I have got the Sunwayman and I don't regret it. The crelant might throw a bit further but at a cost of a smaller hotspot and narrow spill and therefore less of an allrounder.

Not sure what you are looking at but the Crelant clearly has a larger hotspot and greater spill making it a better all arounder. Smile
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Here's the order I got them picked.

1. Crelant 7G5

2. Sunwayman T40CS

3. Olight M3X

4. Olight SR 51

5. Fenix TK41

6. ThruNite Catapult V3

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ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:
The up close white wall shots can be misleading.  I always find myself saying this one is brighter...

Yes, that's true when it comes "just" to the perceivable brightness. I was thinking more about the dimensions of the hot spot and spill - the proportions which do not change in the longer distances either do they?

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And tonite I'll go ahead and throw the Sunwayman V60C in here as well.  But it will probably be around the bottom and might even beat the Catapult V3. 

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Thanks for your investment in time and your investment in great lights.  Very few of us has the desire or the funds to buy all of the best throw lights and your comparison helps us pick which one we want.  

It really looks to me that there is hardly any difference in throw between all of these lights and few people will lack needed throw for 99% of what they will be using their light for. 

If one is looking for the best buy, the 7G5 is probably the best deal.  

If one is looking for solid quality, the Catapult is probably your light although all are good to excellent quality.

If one is looking for a light with forward buttons to change modes, the TK41, SR51 and T40CS are your lights.

If you want to mount the light on a weapon you will not want the SR51 or TK41.

If you are looking for a tailstanding light, the TK41 and SR51 are the way to go.

If you want AA NiMh batteries the only light is the TK41.

If you want a light with lots of usable modes, the TK41 and the T40CS have this base covered the best.

If you want a light with the lowest low mode, the TK41 with it's 10 lumen low mode is your light although the T40CS will go down to 20 lumens.  All the others have a low mode of 60 on up to 250 lumens.

As I look at all these lights, the one that covers the most bases is the TK41 followed by the T40CS. 

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Can you compare the STL-V2/V6 also? :)

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Tecmo wrote:
Can you compare the STL-V2/V6 also? :)

I don't have that one.  But it will fall around the same category as the SR51 or Fenix TK41.  That is going off of the lux readings that others have claimed for that light.  It will not beat the 7G5, T40CS, or M3x. 

I also may try taking a picture with the Crelant 7G5 using 4 CR123A batteries.  According to selfbuilt you can gain 1500lux@ 1 meter over using two 18650 batteries.  He has the Crelant 7G5 at 55,000 lux@ 1meter using two 18650's vs 56,500 lux@ 1 meter using 4 CR123A batteries.  Don't know if the camera will pick that difference up, but it is worth noting.   

You can read about it here.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?329794-Crelant-7G5-(XM-L-U2-2x18650)-Thrower-Review-RUNTIMES-VIDEO-BEAMSHOTS-and-more!

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ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:

Here's the order I got them picked.

1. Crelant 7G5

2. Sunwayman T40CS

3. Olight M3X

4. Olight SR 51

5. Fenix TK41

6. ThruNite Catapult V3

 

This order is a quite different than my perceived impression from those pics (as I wrote also some post above). 

What am I missing? Please explain Embarassed

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Well as I said, you can pick the winner.  I rated them in the order I see them.  And I have no doubt that others will see it differently.  So this will change to who is viewing it.  Everyone has differnet eyes.  My vision is 20/20 or better.  And I can very easily pick the winner.  My hunch is most will pick the 7G5 as being the best.

I even removed my glasses and my optometrist has told me that I have about 20/13 vision w/o them up close and very few peoples eyes will focus or see like that up close.  And I still see the 7G5 as the winner.  Like I said it's all in the eyes.  He also told me that explains why I see better up close w/o my glasses.  No corrective lenses will make you see that good up close as I do is pretty much what he told me. 

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Based on the photos, I would make my decision based more on price and form than throw. They are close enough to be interchangeable in the real world, so decide which one is easiest to carry, and balance that with the price.

Rats, finally sold my 2010 509hp Mustang...now I can buy more lights!

Sold the red one too! Now guess what I drive, doing my penance for 500 hp commuters...

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LOL!

Well my driving licence says I can still drive without lenses so my eyes should not be that bad afterall!!

Ok, I compared again all those pics, opening all them in different browser pages so to be able to shift from one to another.

Maybe it's just the pics, maybe with both the lights and the camera on tripodes would make for precisely comparable pics...  But if you state that when you used them the difference was clear to your eyes, I have no reasons to doubt what you have seen from real.

Well, from a point of view, this makes me more happy, as I have my "King of Throw" new 7G5 arrived at home and waiting for me (i'm away a few days for works) Laughing

 

Now that I have the King there's no reason to still look around for new flashlights, uh?!... Innocent

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LOL!

Well my driving licence says I can still drive without lenses so my eyes should not be that bad afterall!!

Ok, I compared again all those pics, opening all them in different browser pages so to be able to shift from one to another.

Maybe it's just the pics, maybe with both the lights and the camera on tripodes would make for precisely comparable pics...  But if you state that when you used them the difference was clear to your eyes, I have no reasons to doubt what you have seen from real.

Well, from a point of view, this makes me more happy, as I have my "King of Throw" new 7G5 arrived at home and waiting for me (i'm away a few days for works) Laughing

 

Now that I have the King there's no reason to still look around for new flashlights, uh?!... Innocent

Well I will say that the T40CS surpised me that it beat the M3X.  And I will also say the reason why I picked the 7G5 over the T40CS is due to the whiter tint that the 7G5 has and also the tighter hotspot.  The pictures that coolperl posted summed it up more easily.  And I sure do thank him for doing that.  Now remember the first 7G5 I had would have ranked probably towards the bottom.  And I hope that Crelant has their bugs worked out for the underdriven ones that may be out there.  But this one is my new king. 

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how2 wrote:

ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS what tail cap readings do you get will all of your thowers?

That would help in determining which it better. Some of these lights may be over driven.

Let me check and I will tell you. 

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T40CS 1.7 amps

M3X 1.335 amps

TK41 I can't get a reading

Catapult V3 1.660 approx

SR51 I can't get a reading

7G5 1.905 amps

 

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