FireflyLite E12R 12*emitters 15000LM 1x21700 Flashlight

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sandro wrote:
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https://www.ff-light.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=64&product...

Looks nice. Not really a budget flashlight though and out of my price range but if it gets REALLY spectacular reviews maybe after I get past Xmas and get a good coupon discount.

I wonder what their reasoning was in using XP-L2 HD

I think the era of dirt cheap stuff from China is passing.

I feel sorry for people who don't have a hobby or interest to escape to.

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Now we all just gotta bite da bullet
We knew it was gonna be a hunnit
This light got some fight
The lumens is right
I can’t wait to get this in my pocket

Seriously tho I’ma wait on a coupon code…

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Needs a group buy

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The optic changed. Looks much better, much less wasted space.

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Hope good price

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Cloud wrote:
What’s the candella/ throw on ER12? And the beam profile/ angle? Thanks

 

https://lmxdeals.com/ffl-e12r (affiliate link) states a beam angle of 30 degrees. For better throw, you would want 10 degree tir lens.

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@Fireflies,

Does the light use constant current below 6amps, or does it PWM at 6 amps to get to lower levels?

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Why should this be budget? This is a top tier light, so they’re gonna charge around what Acebeam and Noctigon charges.

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If the build quality is the same as with the E07 it’s not a top-tier light but just a expensive flashlight.

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Notmyrealname wrote:

Looks nice. Not really a budget flashlight though and out of my price range but if it gets REALLY spectacular reviews maybe after I get past Xmas and get a good coupon discount.

I wonder what their reasoning was in using XP-L2 HD

I think the era of dirt cheap stuff from China is passing.

Cheap flashlights from China are plenty if you look on Aliexpress and Amazon. But you get what you pay for. These new Fireflies lights are not in the same class. Everything is upgraded using more expensive premium parts. For example they will use an expensive Loneocean driver designed for FF. The Loneocean FW3A driver is sold for a whopping $25. This will be regulated and high efficiency unlike the typical Lumintop, Nightwatch, Astrolux drivers that can’t maintain a steady output for practical use. I heard even the springs will see a significant upgrade from the previous BeCU high current springs that were considered high end a few years ago. Even BeCu springs sell for quite a bit from Emisar and Mtn. I’m suspecting the new FF springs will be silver plated with improved mechanical property so they don’t lose resilience (poorer contact and output) that typical for the commonly used BeCu high current springs. I heard they also developed a new MCPCB that can sink 200W for the E21A emitters that is more expensive than copper mcpcb. FF also offers high flux bin, and good tint binned emitters; binned emitters are much harder to procure and more expensive than unbinned emitters that the typical flashlight manufacturer buys. There are other parts that are upgraded (more expensive) and sometimes a single component cost more than a cheap flashlight. FF is really going high end.

With the XP-L2 and high drain, I suspect we will be seeing 13K+ real lumens considering my Nitecore TM9K makes 9k+ lumens using a non high drain built-in battery. This will be like having the power of the Olight Marauder 2 in a compact size. This should be a good bit brighter than the two Matemino MT18S I measured.

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Ryzbor wrote:
If the build quality is the same as with the E07 it’s not a top-tier light but just a expensive flashlight.

Here are a few reason why the light will be more expensive than the E07:
-Almost twice the amount of LED’s
-Much better driver
-More mass = more metal
-Very few lights similar to this one on the market

At sub $100, its not budget by any means, but a similar light from one of the big brands like Eagtac, Fenix, Olight etc would cost well over 100$ for sure.
I think $80 would have been the sweet spot for such a light, but for the value it gives, I wouldn’t call it just an expensive flashlight.

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(1) I like the host, but this flashlight needs more and better options for emitters, like Nichia 219B sw45k.

(2) Why is the color temperature not listed?

Luminous SST20 10W Sumsung LH351D CRI90 (+$15.00) CREE XPL2 HD (+$30.00)

(3) Does this mean it ships with Anduril 2? Could we get the option to choose Anduril or Anduril 2 depending on our preference?

UI – open-source Anduril V2 firmware

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lightdecay wrote:
(1) I like the host, but this flashlight needs more and better options for emitters, like Nichia 219B sw45k.

(2) Why is the color temperature not listed?

Luminous SST20 10W Sumsung LH351D CRI90 (+$15.00) CREE XPL2 HD (+$30.00)

(3) Does this mean it ships with Anduril 2? Could we get the option to choose Anduril or Anduril 2 depending on our preference?

UI – open-source Anduril V2 firmware

sw45k would be nice but maybe those are depleted since it was said Nichia discontinued them years ago. The purchase page seems more like a place holder. Maybe he is still seeking binned emitters, which is very difficult to procure and will add details later. What I would like to see is tint mix option. I am using 5× 2700k XPL2 with 4× 6500k XPL2 in my Nitecore TM9K and the tint is gorgeous. Even CRI went up a bit after tint mixing. Maybe add a small fee for tint mixing option?

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I would get one

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The Astrolux MF01S has 6 more LEDs, much more thermal mass and still costs less. I guess the driver costs a lot to produce? or it’s just overpriced.

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That is a really good point. I love my MF01S

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Th558 wrote:
The Astrolux MF01S has 6 more LEDs, much more thermal mass and still costs less. I guess the driver costs a lot to produce? or it’s just overpriced.

I kind of explained the reason a few post above. I have two MF01S and I never use them because of the size and because it does not have a regulated driver. The 7135 and FET drivers on the Astrolux, Lumintop, Hakelite, Nightwatch have the same problem. Very inefficient and output drops quickly to impractical levels.

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My E07’s have had great quality, no complaints there. This E12 has more LEDs, built-in charging and a better driver. Plus, I’m sure there’ll be coupons or group deals coming out soon which’ll reduce the price.
The truly overpriced flashlights are those ‘custom’ titanium ones that have like 600 lms and cost $400.

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The link at the top of this page appears to allow ordering. Still no word on CCT, I doubt they’ll mention the duv, that’d be pretty hardcore.

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Hmm, well I’m actually unable to try as the site doesn’t work at all with my ISP. I could’ve fired up the vpn, but I didn’t mess with it.

There’s a lot of “competing” lights being released by different companies right now, so maybe they jumped the gun on announcement to anchor buyers before the product was ready for showtime.

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Robin Dobbie wrote:
Hmm, well I’m actually unable to try as the site doesn’t work at all with my ISP. I could’ve fired up the vpn, but I didn’t mess with it.

There’s a lot of “competing” lights being released by different companies right now, so maybe they jumped the gun on announcement to anchor buyers before the product was ready for showtime.


Not baiting you but I would be interested in which competing lights you mean? As I can’t think of anything close for size/output/tint – and IMO coke can size lights don’t count as we are talking one battery here.
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It’d be nice if you could mention the colour temperature of the LEDs

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Glenn7 wrote:
Robin Dobbie wrote:
Hmm, well I’m actually unable to try as the site doesn’t work at all with my ISP. I could’ve fired up the vpn, but I didn’t mess with it.

There’s a lot of “competing” lights being released by different companies right now, so maybe they jumped the gun on announcement to anchor buyers before the product was ready for showtime.


Not baiting you but I would be interested in which competing lights you mean? As I can’t think of anything close for size/output/tint – and IMO coke can size lights don’t count as we are talking one battery here.

I shouldn’t have said “a lot” but I did put “competing” in quotes as it’s debatable. But the FT02S comes to mind as something that could fill a similar niche for a modest increase in girth, but a dramatic decrease in cost and length. A lesser light for sure, but the bang for buck ratio is undeniable. I think the flood up close_might_ be a bit much on the FT02S and the aesthetics aren’t as “tight” as the FF. So I dunno, kinda subjective and we haven’t seen reviews yet. I’m sure by the time reviews are available, pricing won’t be as nice. Funny how that works…

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Let’s see how the buck driver actually outputs 6A constantly and how quickly it drops to a maintainable 3A constant current.

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Why not 12×3=36Amps? Big Smile

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Robin Dobbie wrote:
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Robin Dobbie wrote:
Hmm, well I’m actually unable to try as the site doesn’t work at all with my ISP. I could’ve fired up the vpn, but I didn’t mess with it.

There’s a lot of “competing” lights being released by different companies right now, so maybe they jumped the gun on announcement to anchor buyers before the product was ready for showtime.


Not baiting you but I would be interested in which competing lights you mean? As I can’t think of anything close for size/output/tint – and IMO coke can size lights don’t count as we are talking one battery here.

I shouldn’t have said “a lot” but I did put “competing” in quotes as it’s debatable. But the FT02S comes to mind as something that could fill a similar niche for a modest increase in girth, but a dramatic decrease in cost and length. A lesser light for sure, but the bang for buck ratio is undeniable. I think the flood up close_might_ be a bit much on the FT02S and the aesthetics aren’t as “tight” as the FF. So I dunno, kinda subjective and we haven’t seen reviews yet. I’m sure by the time reviews are available, pricing won’t be as nice. Funny how that works…

The only thing similar is that FT02s should produce similar lumens under initial turbo output but is only available in CW 70CRI and reflector so the typical Cree ugly egg yolk or tint shift will be very noticeable. The E12R uses TIR optics and will have 95+ CRI options and WW/NW (though still to be listed). The FT02S uses the typical cheap FET with poor efficiency whereas the E12R uses a regulated and high efficiency Lume1 driver. The E12R will be more of a tool whereas the FT02s is more of a toy. Astrolux does not use high quality components whereas FF is willing to invest in premium parts.

Also the FT02s is MUCH bigger than the E12R.

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For example they will use an expensive Loneocean driver designed for FF. The Loneocean FW3A driver is sold for a whopping $25.

Is this for certain? I’m looking, but I don’t see a statement from either Jackie or Loneoceans about it being a Lume1 variant. Just the first post stating it will be a buck driver.

That is awesome if true.

Hopefully it would be upgraded with reverse polarity protection.

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SKV89 wrote:

The only thing similar is that FT02s should produce similar lumens under initial turbo output but is only available in CW 70CRI and reflector so the typical Cree ugly egg yolk or tint shift will be very noticeable. The E12R uses TIR optics and will have 95+ CRI options and WW/NW (though still to be listed). The FT02S uses the typical cheap FET with poor efficiency whereas the E12R uses a regulated and high efficiency Lume1 driver. The E12R will be more of a tool whereas the FT02s is more of a toy. Astrolux does not use high quality components whereas FF is willing to invest in premium parts.

Also the FT02s is MUCH bigger than the E12R.

We have to be honest with ourselves, they’re both toys. And both will be used as tools by many. But if I were a cop or fireman I don’t know if I’d carry either one. Not sure I totally mind 5700K, but I’m probably more of a muggle than you are. If it were 6500K only I would agree, but 5700 is still in my acceptable range. That matches my camera strobes.

I don’t know why I thought the Astro was shorter. Buuuut, the FF is(whips out calculator) 87% as large around and 78% as long as the Astro. Maybe that makes the FT02s “much” bigger, but “MUCH” bigger? lol I think if one is pocketable, the other could be as well. Maybe when people see you with the FF they’ll ask if that’s a flashlight or are you happy to see me, and with the Astro they’ll ask if you HAPPY to see me? They’re both less girthy than the D18 which some people claim to pocket.

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Robin Dobbie wrote:
SKV89 wrote:

The only thing similar is that FT02s should produce similar lumens under initial turbo output but is only available in CW 70CRI and reflector so the typical Cree ugly egg yolk or tint shift will be very noticeable. The E12R uses TIR optics and will have 95+ CRI options and WW/NW (though still to be listed). The FT02S uses the typical cheap FET with poor efficiency whereas the E12R uses a regulated and high efficiency Lume1 driver. The E12R will be more of a tool whereas the FT02s is more of a toy. Astrolux does not use high quality components whereas FF is willing to invest in premium parts.

Also the FT02s is MUCH bigger than the E12R.

We have to be honest with ourselves, they’re both toys. And both will be used as tools by many. But if I were a cop or fireman I don’t know if I’d carry either one. Not sure I totally mind 5700K, but I’m probably more of a muggle than you are. If it were 6500K only I would agree, but 5700 is still in my acceptable range. That matches my camera strobes.

I don’t know why I thought the Astro was shorter. Buuuut, the FF is(whips out calculator) 87% as large around and 78% as long as the Astro. Maybe that makes the FT02s “much” bigger, but “MUCH” bigger? lol I think if one is pocketable, the other could be as well. Maybe when people see you with the FF they’ll ask if that’s a flashlight or are you happy to see me, and with the Astro they’ll ask if you HAPPY to see me? They’re both less girthy than the D18 which some people claim to pocket.

The FT02s tube is also 28.3% fatter. But regardless, you are comparing the linear dimensions not the volume. For example a 20% increase in the radius of a sphere equates to 73% increase in the volume. Even if the 2D dimensions don’t seem that much bigger, they are much bigger when you see and hold them in person. The size increase of the FT02s vs the E12R puts it in another size class. The E12R will still manage to fit in many pockets but the FT02s will require very large pockets.

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