FireflyLite E12R 12*emitters 15000LM 1x21700 Flashlight

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I just successfully placed an order for E12R with Nichia 219B sw45k! I also ordered NOV-Mu with E21A R9050 2000K.

There are more emitter types available now, all of them seem to be in stock:
SST20 6500K 10W CW
SST20 10W 5000K NW
Sumsung LH351D 5700K W2 CRI80 (+$15.00)
Sumsung LH351D 4000K CRI90 (+$15.00)
Nichia 219B SW45k D220 R9080 4500K (+$10.00)
CREE XPL2 HD W2 6500K (+$30.00)

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Yeah couldn’t resist the 219B-V1. Thanks for offering that. I really hope there are no first batch quirks like with the E07, I got the sharp edged fins and a mushy switch back then.

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What kind of peak current do you guys expect? 36A, 48A?

Must be at least 30A to reach 12k OTF lumen with XP-L2

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Should be doable with a Samsung 30T. Even the TM9K can make over 9k OTF with 9 XPL2 using a low current 5,000mah, despite it is built-in with soldered terminals for minimal resistance.

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I just ordered a bunch of the newly released Fireflies lights! Can’t wait to test them! LOL

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Somebody can post photo of the driver? I want to see how programming pins looks like

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Can you please tell, do fireflies send you some confirmation, tracking number, etc. Ordered one about 2-3 days ago and still got nothing except PayPal email

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Some help?
Wow, things have changed a bit on the flashlight horizon since my last season of hanging out here!
This looks like an well-designed pocket light. I have the E07, and love it.
Could someone give me a BRIEF rundown of pros and cons for the offered emitters? Last time I was on here a lot, the crowd was about evenly divided between the “most possible lumens Cree” folks and the “rosy at all costs Nichia” folks. I’ve never even heard of the Samsung emitters!
So what the pluses and minuses between –
SST20 Group
Samsung group
New Nichia offering
Cree XPL2
??
And sorry for my remedial memory and knowledge!
(in the past, I have leaned towards the higher lumen options, but not the completely ugly end of that spectrum)

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TSO wrote:
Some help? Wow, things have changed a bit on the flashlight horizon since my last season of hanging out here! This looks like an well-designed pocket light. I have the E07, and love it. Could someone give me a BRIEF rundown of pros and cons for the offered emitters? Last time I was on here a lot, the crowd was about evenly divided between the “most possible lumens Cree” folks and the “rosy at all costs Nichia” folks. I’ve never even heard of the Samsung emitters! So what the pluses and minuses between – SST20 Group Samsung group New Nichia offering Cree XPL2 ?? And sorry for my remedial memory and knowledge! (in the past, I have leaned towards the higher lumen options, but not the completely ugly end of that spectrum)

SST20 6500K 10W CW

  • the beam “points”/is slightly “throwy” compared to the rest but not compared to reflector light. beam color is not great, CRI is very low, overall lumens good
    SST20 10W 5000K NW
  • the beam “points”/is slightly “throwy” compared to the rest but not compared to reflector light. beam color is not great, CRI is very low, overall lumens good
    Sumsung LH351D 5700K W2 CRI80 (+$15.00)
  • the beam will be floody and make a very round/even beam from edge to edge. beam color is ?? but probably ok since it’s even, CRI is middle of the raod, overall lumens good
    Sumsung LH351D 4000K CRI90 (+$15.00)
  • the beam will be floody and make a very round/even beam from edge to edge. beam color is may be faint lime color indoors on white wall, outside it will be fine, CRI is GOOD, overall lumens good
    Nichia 219B SW45k D220 R9080 4500K (+$10.00)
  • floody beam, fairly even across beam. tint will be pinkish color indoors/white wall but normal outside. CRI is VERY GOOD, output is LOW compared to other options
    CREE XPL2 HD W2 6500K (+$30.00)
  • you couldn’t pay ME $30 to choose this option. It will be very high lumens, low CRI, very floody, probably not very even beam

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risandov wrote:
Last item I ordered from the site had no confirmation other then the PayPal email. I later received a shipping confirmation through PayPal about a week later.

Thank you, should go and check my PayPal

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Thank you, should go and check my PayPal

np. aside from the cool white SST-20’s they are all very floody LEDs (which lets be honest with 12 emitters it’s bound to happen). I would be surprised if they didn’t bring back SST-20 4000K and XP-L HI though

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The preorder email they sent me said shipping stock Dec 20-25… where does it say they are shipping now?

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The email I got says deliver date 20-25 dec, for that they have to ship now.

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thefreeman wrote:
The email I got says deliver date 20-25 dec, for that they have to ship now.

Yes but its not clear, delivered to them or customer.

and why call it pre order if they are shipping already

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TSO wrote:
Some help? Wow, things have changed a bit on the flashlight horizon since my last season of hanging out here! This looks like an well-designed pocket light. I have the E07, and love it. Could someone give me a BRIEF rundown of pros and cons for the offered emitters? Last time I was on here a lot, the crowd was about evenly divided between the “most possible lumens Cree” folks and the “rosy at all costs Nichia” folks. I’ve never even heard of the Samsung emitters! So what the pluses and minuses between – SST20 Group Samsung group New Nichia offering Cree XPL2 ?? And sorry for my remedial memory and knowledge! (in the past, I have leaned towards the higher lumen options, but not the completely ugly end of that spectrum)

- The XPL2 will make the highest output, my guess is 13k+ lumens with a 30T considering TM9K w/ 9xXPL2 makes over 9k lumens with a low current cell, but will be too blue and Cree has the most tint shift.

- 219b sw45k will have the most pleasant 4500k rosy tint but the most inefficient and lowest output.

-The SST20 4000k should still be the FA3 bin, which have the lowest DUV (rosy) of all SST20 4000K I’ve seen and I’ve seen many. Still nowhere as rosy as the sw45k but better than any SST20 4000K by other flashlight manufacturers.

- SST40 6500k is will have the best throw. However, this is not a throw flashlight but a wide floody light.

- If you want high output and good light quality, the LH351D 5700K 80CRI is a good compromise. I checked with FF and the 5700K is Q2 tint bin, which is essentially afternoon sunlight CCT, or pure white. W2 is the highest flux bin achievable for 80CRI.

- The LH351D 4000k is CRI 90 and T7 tint bin. Don’t know what flux bin. The T7 bin is less green than other LH351D 4000k on the market but still a bit green. It should be a whole lot better than the LH351D 4000k in the E14 III, which I needed a Lee quarter minus green filter to neutralize the green.

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thefreeman wrote:
The email I got says deliver date 20-25 dec, for that they have to ship now.

I doubt they mean delivered by Dec 20-25. Likely means ship date.

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I ordered one E12R now. 219B Beer

Light addicted

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SKV89 wrote:
TSO wrote:
Some help? Wow, things have changed a bit on the flashlight horizon since my last season of hanging out here! This looks like an well-designed pocket light. I have the E07, and love it. Could someone give me a BRIEF rundown of pros and cons for the offered emitters? Last time I was on here a lot, the crowd was about evenly divided between the “most possible lumens Cree” folks and the “rosy at all costs Nichia” folks. I’ve never even heard of the Samsung emitters! So what the pluses and minuses between – SST20 Group Samsung group New Nichia offering Cree XPL2 ?? And sorry for my remedial memory and knowledge! (in the past, I have leaned towards the higher lumen options, but not the completely ugly end of that spectrum)

- The XPL2 will make the highest output, my guess is 13k+ lumens with a 30T considering TM9K w/ 9xXPL2 makes over 9k lumens with a low current cell, but will be too blue and Cree has the most tint shift.

- 219b sw45k will have the most pleasant 4500k rosy tint but the most inefficient and lowest output.

-The SST20 4000k should still be the FA3 bin, which have the lowest DUV (rosy) of all SST20 4000K I’ve seen and I’ve seen many. Still nowhere as rosy as the sw45k but better than any SST20 4000K by other flashlight manufacturers.

- SST40 6500k is will have the best throw. However, this is not a throw flashlight but a wide floody light.

- If you want high output and good light quality, the LH351D 5700K 80CRI is a good compromise. I checked with FF and the 5700K is Q2 tint bin, which is essentially afternoon sunlight CCT, or pure white. W2 is the highest flux bin achievable for 80CRI.

- The LH351D 4000k is CRI 90 and T7 tint bin. Don’t know what flux bin. The T7 bin is less green than other LH351D 4000k on the market but still a bit green. It should be a whole lot better than the LH351D 4000k in the E14 III, which I needed a Lee quarter minus green filter to neutralize the green.

Went with the LH351D 5700K 80CRI. Stoked to try out Anduril 2.

Thanks for all of the info. I’ve been a flashlight weirdo for some years now but not enough time to do all the footwork. Thanks!

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.

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Nice light, but how long would turbo last with only one battery............. 5 seconds?  12,000 lumens on a single cell almost seems a little dangerous. 

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Nice light, but how long would turbo last with only one battery…………. 5 seconds?

Anduril 2, secondary leds and 21700 sold it for me.

I’ve had other lights with secondary leds, can’t have too many lol.

Something about multi led lights gets my motor running.

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.

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Have now five lights with secondary leds and love them all, but I can't get my head around having a single cell light that puts out 12,000 lumens. 

Still like the design of this light and according to specs it could sustain 2580 lumens for 10 min. before stepping down which is not bad, but it

doesn't say how low it steps down to.

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klrman, you are assuming each LED consumes a fixed current but it isn’t true. It may not draw much more current than E07 but have more output because more LEDs being driven at lower amps per LED where they are more efficient.

That is at turbo only. Any lower setting should be current limited and MUCH more efficient since it isn’t using PWM but more efficient buck driver.

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On the lower setting yes, but the specs state 1 min at turbo with no step down, which means the battery is draining scarily fast before it looses all it's steam which to me could be dangerous as it's putting immense pressure on that single battery.  Maybe I'm wrong and there is a step down at turbo, but on the FF website it doesn't show it.   It does state at the bottom that turbo is only available in the advanced UI not the simple UI to avoid over heating.

 

 

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On the lower setting yes, but the specs state 1 min at turbo with no step down, which means the battery is draining scarily fast before it looses all it’s steam which to me could be dangerous as it’s putting immense pressure on that single battery.  Maybe I’m wrong and there is a step down at turbo, but on the FF website it doesn’t show it.   It does state at the bottom that turbo is only available in the advanced UI not the simple UI to avoid over heating.


 



 

Nice. I see this tested with a 40T. If using 30T, it should make 13-14k and possibly brighter than the Marauder 2

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klrman wrote:

but the specs state 1 min at turbo with no step down

This chart is confusing. Look at the 2nd picture under “1st Thermal Stepdown”. It steps down from 12,000lm to 2,580lm after 1 minute and then from there to 1200lm after 10 minutes if I am reading it right.

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contactcr wrote:
klrman wrote:

but the specs state 1 min at turbo with no step down

This chart is confusing. Look at the 2nd picture under "1st Thermal Stepdown". It steps down from 12,000lm to 2,580lm after 1 minute and then from there to 1200lm after 10 minutes if I am reading it right.

 

You're right, I should have opened my eyes more!  Also states final stepdown to 1200lm will last 2 hrs which is pretty good really.   I may sell both my rot66's and get one of these for fun.

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klrman wrote:

contactcr wrote:
klrman wrote:

but the specs state 1 min at turbo with no step down


This chart is confusing. Look at the 2nd picture under “1st Thermal Stepdown”. It steps down from 12,000lm to 2,580lm after 1 minute and then from there to 1200lm after 10 minutes if I am reading it right.

 


You’re right, I should have opened my eyes more!  Also states final stepdown to 1200lm will last 2 hrs which is pretty good really.   I may sell both my rot66’s and get one of these for fun.

The runtime and sustainable brightness of this light should put a lot of others with “direct drive”/PWM drivers to shame. IMO, this is pretty exciting to see our enthusiast brands using drivers like these.

It should be like having a Zebralight/Acebeam/etc quality driver with higher max output and more configurable UI, cheaper price, can upgrade firmware, more LED choices.

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It's looking more interesting by the minute.  Promised myself not to buy any new lights this  year except from money made selling some of my lights, and this one may fit the bill. 

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I am interested in three Fireflylite E12R:

  • XPL-HI 5000K
  • XPL2-HD 5000K
  • LH351D 5000K

But you only offer the SST20 in 5000K.

With the Fireflies E07 and the ROT66 it was still different. Why this terrible pre-selection of color temperatures.

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contactcr wrote:
klrman wrote:

but the specs state 1 min at turbo with no step down

This chart is confusing. Look at the 2nd picture under “1st Thermal Stepdown”. It steps down from 12,000lm to 2,580lm after 1 minute and then from there to 1200lm after 10 minutes if I am reading it right.


There’s no way it’s lasting a whole minute at 12000lm. 20-30 seconds seems more reasonable. 1 minute might work if the light is very cold or your hands are the same material as the light itself.

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