Anduril 2 UI diagrams (generic, Lumintop, Sofirn)

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Anduril 2 UI diagrams (generic, Lumintop, Sofirn)

Hello everyone,

Please find below the latest revision of the "unofficial" Andúril 2 UI diagram, also made for some specific models...

 

Andúril 2 - generic version

>>> downloadable PDF <<<

 

Andúril 2 - Lumintop FWAA

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Andúril 2 - Sofirn SP36 (Pro) / Q8 (Pro)

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Andúril 2 - Sofirn LT1

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Well. At least for now.
Anyway, thank you for these drawings. Personally, I prefer them more than a wall of text.

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According to the text manual 3H from ON would give you access to Momentary Turbo both from Simple UI and Advanced UI. However, Turbo mode is disabled in Simple UI. So, I would expect to see the same result as with 2H in Simple UI, i.e. Momentary Ceiling. I did not have a chance to doublecheck this with an actual flashlight using Andúril 2.

In simple UI 3H is disabled.
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SammysHP wrote:
In simple UI 3H is disabled.

Are you sure about that? It would mean that tint ramping was disabled, too.

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Tint ramping in simple mode works but 3H to max with non tint-ramping lights does not work. My LT1’s anduril 2 is a bit modified but I don’t think that behaviour was changed

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Okay, thanks for the clarification. I will remove 3H momentary turbo from Simple UI. Maybe TK can revise her text manual as well.

Update: 2021/03/14

UI chart updated, 3H behavior in Simple UI rectified

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The Anduril 2 UI diagram is outstanding. Thank you Lux-Perpetua.

When in "Advanced UI" with the light OFF, what determines whether "2H" goes to "Max Ramp" or to "Turbo"; as the diagram currently indicates that both results are possible or is this a misprint?

How many flashlights does a "real man" need?

None, real men are not afraid of the dark.

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roostre wrote:

The Anduril 2 UI diagram is outstanding. Thank you Lux-Perpetua.

When in "Advanced UI" with the light OFF, what determines whether "2H" goes to "Max Ramp" or to "Turbo"; as the diagram currently indicates that both results are possible or is this a misprint?

Ooops...you are right. I just rectified that, please see my updated chart. Thanks a lot, roostre!

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It seems Simple UI has direct access to Turbo in Anduril 2
(which totally defeats the muggle safety goal of Simple UI)

both in Sofirn and Lumintop builds:

https://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1769630#comment-1769630
“Sofirn does not want Simple UI to be restricted in output, mostly because they expect customers to complain about reduced output or unfulfilled expectations.”

https://1thedeals.com/product/lumintop-fwaa-3cree-xp-g3-nichia-sst20-and...
FWAA
“default to smooth, instant access to Turbo”

https://zeroair.org/2021/05/06/lumintop-fwaa-14500-nichia-flashlight-rev...
“Anyway, Andúril2. I love it, I think it’s an improvement over the first iteration(s). There are some things some users might not love about it, but I think overall it’s much more approachable. I will note though that the nomenclature might be a bit confusing – the light (all lights with Andúril2) ships in Simple UI. This is not Muggle Mode. You may think “well duh” and by now you’ve already seen the blistering runtime on turbo of Simple, so you get it. But just be aware, don’t hand this light to the uninitiated thinking they won’t set their hand on fire while using Simple UI. Here is where I’d tell you how to switch to muggle mode. There is no muggle mode.

There’s also an Advanced UI. If you’re reading this, then you’ll likely have already switched your FWAA 14500 flashlight to the Advanced UI. Here are some runtimes from that. I tested the stepped levels. Also yes the max level here is 1831 lumens and on the Simple UI the max is over 1900 lumens – don’t think there’s really any difference here. “

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I would like a muggle proof Simple UI that has no access to Turbo, for my Lumitop FWAA.

ideally it would allow ramping access to Level 1, not default to Level 20 minimum.

and I want the ability to set the ceiling to 500 lumens. NO Turbo in Simple UI

If anybody builds a UI with those features, I think it would be nice to have a non burning option in Simple UI, and I would want to learn to flash my FWAA to be muggle safe..

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Jonathan,

Actually, Sofirn, Noctigon/Emisar and Lumintop have in common that default ceiling in Simple UI is set to 150/150 (equals top of the ramp or "turbo"). This was done on purpose, most likely because they did not want customers to complain about reduced output. I suppose to their understanding Simple UI means simplified in operation but not restricted in maximum output.

If you want to have a safe muggle mode in terms of Simple UI, you can do that quite easily by yourself if you follow this guideline and configure the ceiling level to a much lower level (e.g. 75/150).

  1. While in Simple UI, go to Advanced UI via 10H from OFF
  2. When you are in Advanced UI, use 10H to set up the ramp configuration for Simple UI.
  3. Keep holding 10H (10x click and hold the last time pressed) until you notice a brief double flash, then release.
  4. While the light is "buzzing", click as many times as you want to go down from turbo (150/150), i.e. 30 clicks will take you to a ceiling level of 120/150. You may need to click quite often to reach a very low ("safe") ceiling level.
  5. Wait until the blinking stops and turn off the flashlight.
  6. Go back to Simple UI via 10C from OFF and check the new ceiling level via 2C from OFF or ON. You will notice a reduced maximum output.

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:
Sofirn, Noctigon/Emisar and Lumintop have in common that default ceiling in Simple UI is set to 150/150

If you want to have a safe muggle mode in terms of Simple UI, you can do that quite easily by yourself if you follow this guideline and configure the ceiling level to a much lower level (e.g. 75/150).


excellent, thank you for the detailed instructions and great visual guide too!
I understand now, that I can configure the ceiling for Simple UI to be lower than 150.. good

how about the minimum.. can I configure it lower than 20/150 default in Simple UI also?

is there a way to reflash my driver to do those things by default?

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You see the yellow highlighted box on the left and the part that is marked by a red rectangle? That’s step 2 of the ramping configuration (set ceiling level). The step before sets the minimum (floor) level. Click as often as you like the minimum level to be. One click is the minimum (1/150).

Mind the single flash when doing 10H from OFF. If you see a double flash you missed step 1. You need to watch carefully for the single flash and then immediately release the switch button. I admit that Andúril 1 was way easier to configure in this regard.

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:
One click is the minimum (1/150).

great! thanks

in some reading on TKs site, it says when setting ceiling, that the count starts at 150, so 1 click is 149.. iow, the opposite of what your chart shows…

which is correct?

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Both is correct…

Floor setting: Click n times for level n of 150 (whereas n = 1-150), i.e. 10 clicks = 10/150

Ceiling setting: Click n times for the nth highest level of (from?) 150 (whereas n = 1-150), i.e. 10 clicks = 140/150

IOW:

For ceiling you click downwards, for floor you click upwards.

I must admit there is room for improvement for the right wording. If you have suggestions how to express it in a more comprehensible way, I am all ears. Big Smile

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:
For ceiling you click downwards,
i.e. 10 clicks = 140/150

for floor you click upwards.
i.e. 10 clicks = 10/150


thank you
that is very good wording Thumbs Up
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When I was playing with the light on a highway trip (I was in the HOV lane… simplest kind of driving), I started fiddling with my light without reading anything. Realized the 10H to get out of simple into advanced. Then after going through a few things I’d memorized from my Anduril 1 FW3A, I tried 5C… and then it went into tactical mode. Well, 5C again didn’t toggle. NOTHING worked. I did a lockout in front and in rear… and reconnected after a few minutes—nothing. Had to leave HOV lane, so I put the FWAA aside. SO then I get to my destination, go look at the manual… and you have to totally break contact with the battery to get out of tactical? I don’t get why 5C isn’t a toggle…

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... and you have to totally break contact with the battery to get out of tactical? I don't get why 5C isn't a toggle...

Maybe because one reason for having a "momentary mode" is to send Morse Code and 5C is the Morse Code "number 5".

How many flashlights does a "real man" need?

None, real men are not afraid of the dark.

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roostre wrote:

xevious wrote:
… and you have to totally break contact with the battery to get out of tactical? I don’t get why 5C isn’t a toggle…

Maybe because one reason for having a “momentary mode” is to send Morse Code and 5C is the Morse Code “number 5”.

Trouble is, when you’re in tactical mode, it’s a strobe. So as you press, you might get one or two flashes before you release… Can’t really send any code with it.
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tactical mode just means that whatever mode you were in when you do 5C, that mode becomes momentary ON only

so yes, to get out of momentary, you cannot give a 5C command, or any other command, ONLY momentary on works.. that is True Tactical.. being able to click out of tactical is not tactical.. See what I did there? LOL

fwiw, HDS Tactical mode also requires removing the tail to break battery contact. And an HDS, same as Anduril lights, gives a sigle flash during reassembly, to inform that contact is achieved.

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xevious wrote:
roostre wrote:

xevious wrote:
… and you have to totally break contact with the battery to get out of tactical? I don’t get why 5C isn’t a toggle…

Maybe because one reason for having a “momentary mode” is to send Morse Code and 5C is the Morse Code “number 5”.

Trouble is, when you’re in tactical mode, it’s a strobe. So as you press, you might get one or two flashes before you release… Can’t really send any code with it.

Tactical mode is whatever mode you were in when you did the 5C. So if you were last in strobe, it will be a strobe.

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:

Jonathan,


Actually, Sofirn, Noctigon/Emisar and Lumintop have in common that default ceiling in Simple UI is set to 150/150 (equals top of the ramp or “turbo”). This was done on purpose, most likely because they did not want customers to complain about reduced output. I suppose to their understanding Simple UI means simplified in operation but not restricted in maximum output.


If you want to have a safe muggle mode in terms of Simple UI, you can do that quite easily by yourself if you follow this guideline and configure the ceiling level to a much lower level (e.g. 75/150).



  1. While in Simple UI, go to Advanced UI via 10H from OFF

  2. When you are in Advanced UI, use 10H to set up the ramp configuration for Simple UI.

  3. Keep holding 10H (10x click and hold the last time pressed) until you notice a brief double flash, then release.

  4. While the light is “buzzing”, click as many times as you want to go down from turbo (150/150), i.e. 30 clicks will take you to a ceiling level of 120/150. You may need to click quite often to reach a very low (“safe”) ceiling level.

  5. Wait until the blinking stops and turn off the flashlight.

  6. Go back to Simple UI via 10C from OFF and check the new ceiling level via 2C from OFF or ON. You will notice a reduced maximum output.


I actually know how to program in C and assembler but I still find this map intimidating.

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zoulas wrote:
Lux-Perpetua wrote:

Jonathan,

I actually know how to program in C and assembler but I still find this map intimidating.

I agree. Much prefer the straight text version.

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Does anyone know the simplest way to tell Anduril from Anduril 2 running Adv UI? There's so much overlap, it's hard to tell, at least in the simplest way.

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zeremefico wrote:
omg, a phone app would be handy

Yea, I want a phone app that has a DB of my lights, including mods - what UI, what LED(s), batt requirements, etc.

I would need simple, powerful searching and records of full mod details, test results, specs from manufacturer, etc. 

Often thought of developing it, but lots to learn - definitely not a cloud/phone app guy, though I should be!

Ohh - then of course, it should be sharable - I share my DB, you share yours, etc., either full public or specific users.

Should start it open source, maybe have a few contributors, etc. Problem may be the tech/tools used - everyone has their own prefs...

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You can always save the PDF to your phone. How is the app gonna help you?

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Tom E wrote:

Does anyone know the simplest way to tell Anduril from Anduril 2 running Adv UI? There’s so much overlap, it’s hard to tell, at least in the simplest way.

I’m probably not understanding your question, but if trying to determine which version is on a particular light your handling, 2C to turbo from off isn’t viable with AN-2 (without programming it as ramp ceiling).

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zoulas wrote:
You can always save the PDF to your phone. How is the app gonna help you?

Ok, I got 200+ lights. So managing 200+ PDF's is not an option, specially when the manufacturer's PDF's don't help on a modded light.

So picking one up, how do I know what it's running? I can't remember... So, one way I think is 15C for the rev #'s. The method has to be not effected by config setting changes.

I got NarsilM, Anduril, and Anduril2 - NarsilM is easy to tell, but telling Anduril from Anduril 2 is more subtle.

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there are a few details in the Anduril 2 flow chart, that are not quite the same in the FWAA.. for example, in the mode menu, there are three separate single flashes, not single, double, triple

here is my version of the FWAA flow chart: (I used blue text to mark my changes)

fwiw, the Anduril 2 Manual instructions are also slightly different than the FWAA version of Anduril 2. For example, in the FWAA the thermal config comes after the beaon, not after the batt check… the flow chart Im posting has that corrected. I hid the 2C to Turbo command, under a blue box. That command does not work in the Anduril 2 FWAA (with an exception, that IF I first ramp to ceiling in advanced, then 2C will give 150/150.. this is all very inconsistent)

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Tom E wrote:

zoulas wrote:
You can always save the PDF to your phone. How is the app gonna help you?

Ok, I got 200+ lights. So managing 200+ PDF’s is not an option, specially when the manufacturer’s PDF’s don’t help on a modded light.


So picking one up, how do I know what it’s running? I can’t remember… So, one way I think is 15C for the rev #‘s. The method has to be not effected by config setting changes.


I got NarsilM, Anduril, and Anduril2 – NarsilM is easy to tell, but telling Anduril from Anduril 2 is more subtle.

OK, so an app that has a flashlight database.

Great ides but whoever takes this on would have to pickup advertising $$ from companies like Nitecore and Fenix.

Can definitely work.

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zoulas wrote:
OK, so an app that has a flashlight database.

here is a thread that attempts to create such a listing

my personal solution, is to NOT own lights with wildly different multiclick UIs..

for me, the Rotary UI is the one UI to Rule them All.. LOL!
I never forget how to use it, and I never need to refer to a manual.

Multi Click UIs such as Anduril, and HDS clicky, are just for passtimes for my entertainment.

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