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If ya don’t want spill cuz it interferes with a personal objective then an LEP makes sense for YOU just like wanting extra flood for a specific personal reason can also make sense.

Rationalizing and excluding either for general flash typical everyday routine applications is like saying one shouldn’t deviate from the norm becuz it doesn’t facilitate the norm therefore it’s inherently useless.

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Martin’s bunker beam shot (4) videos show that the LEP lights put more light on target then all of the other lights that he brings down there. The target being the end of the tunnel at 130-150 meters. All of the other lights are on turbo and they still can’t compete and they will step down. So you don’t have to have targets that are 1000-2000 meters out. Seeing a target and being able to see details on that target are two different things. I don’t have a need for multi emitters that put out a wall of light short or long term. I can appreciate flashlights that push the limits. The bunker shots may seem extreme but the same thing applys in your house looking down a hallway that may be 10 or 30 ft. If your flashlight is lighting up the walls right in front of you then your ability to see small details on the wall at the end is reduced partly because your pupils will be more constricted than they would be with a tight beam putting more light on the target.

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Martin’s bunker beamshots

https://youtu.be/KvEvh94wLRE

The 3 LEPs start at 5:37.

Manker MC13 (TIR) at 10:00 and Microfire H20 (zoomie) at 12:20 for comparison.

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The zoomie in the video is very big but you can see that the aspheric lens has a similar effect to the LEP.

I’d be very interested to see how a smaller aspheric, like the $30 Convoy Z1 Osram (about 175kcd), compares to the slightly smaller but much more expensive 350kcd LEPs.

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High beam wars? While driving this will shine through the windscreen and not light up inside the car. The bracket was designed by blenman37

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That’s a clever design. How did you cut the bracket—water jet or wire EDM? Does the trigger handle control the power buttons or just used for aiming.

i would guess that Triple beams would be handy for spotting drop bears in the outback.

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Cut with a water jet, switched individually, handle is just to carry it but I have been looking for a scope to go on it. It is a beast of a light, another 12 would be over the top but fun to play with.
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Those are mouth-watering photos. Thank you for sharing that. The closest I can get to that is one BLF GT94 in each hand.

You have my vote for most exciting photos on the forum for this year.

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They’re the fidget spinners of the flashlight world.

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dave1010 wrote:
Martin’s bunker beamshots

https://youtu.be/KvEvh94wLRE

The 3 LEPs start at 5:37.

Manker MC13 (TIR) at 10:00 and Microfire H20 (zoomie) at 12:20 for comparison.

My complements to whoever made this video. I find it so much more useful than shining a light at a tree. This shows the real capability of the LEP however it also shows its limitations. The LEP clearly penetrates deeper into the tunnel. This is a truly incredible video. It makes all the other flashlight test videos look amateur.

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I wired these up to see how it would work, when I get time I will make a custom grip with a plug for each light and single switch.
It is a beast and gets a lot more use than I would have thought.

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Have pesky drones flying around all the time? Perfect LEP use. Big Smile

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Nice quad, grin! Thumbs Up

I did something similar after the Maxtoch Shooter 2X group buy in 2016.

I ordered lights for myself and three friends and couldn’t resist a quick test before distributing them to their new owners. Party

I did it again with seven Q8s in 2018 after that group buy.

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The seven Q8’s must be about equivalent to the GT4, both in output and throw

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How do you light up the middle q8?

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Tendou wrote:
How do you light up the middle q8?
I used a chopstick! LOL

These rigs only existed for a day before I had to give the lights out to my friends who had ordered them.

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goshdogit wrote:
Tendou wrote:
How do you light up the middle q8?
I used a chopstick! LOL These rigs only existed for a day before I had to give the lights out to my friends who had ordered them.

 Very very nice!

LEP: My excuse for delaying in getting one is that I don’t want to create an accidental hazard for my neighbors. Even though they don’t think the same way about each other.

 

Real world use: having some real fun!

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dave1010 wrote:
I don't own a LEP (yet) and I haven't seen one in real life either. For me the portability is the most interesting thing. I have throwers but they're big and I wouldn't want to carry them around with me all the time. I'm hoping that LEPs mean that one day I can EDC something with over 1000m throw (250kcd). Either as a second light or maybe adjustable to flood somehow. I don't see why we couldn't get 14500 or 16340 LEPs one day. I'd also like to go on a night hike with a 2000m thrower (1Mcd) that easily fits in a jacket pocket, instead of needing a rucksack.

 

I don't own one (yet) either, but of everything I read I most align with dave1010 here. First off, fun factor as a backup light when hiking and having access to enormous throw with a "small form factor", and secondly the day that true edc sized LEPS are available in like 16340/18350/ but more so 14500, I will buy one. I imagine the gt micro, but throwing twice as far, and a smaller head. That'd be so sweet. Although the Gt micro is hard to beat IMO. 

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All I need is a small single cell sub 1000lm light for most of my needs. Before I work out what I need an LEP for I wanna know why I need my 45 other LED lights. Facepalm

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Haha the Q8 array is crazy.
Just to be clear I had the bracket given to me. If I wasnt saving for a house I would buy another 12 for a 4×4. In theory that would be 8000 lumens and 9.6km throw.

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bat signal, warn nearby airplanes jk. kamehame night photos.

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It sounds like the XM LEDs won’t really be suitable for flashlight use. Pity…

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Xandre wrote:
We only see LEPs with lenses,

If you use it in reflector,you have your spill,

Put it in a zoom,you can play.

Regards Xandre


Second this.
I am not sure why almost all of the manufacturers don’t make zoomable LEP flashlight, except for Maxtoch.
But on the other hand the light emitting angle of LEP module could be very small compared to LED’s, hence I am not sure if LEP would work well in a reflector setup.
And because of the same reason, even with zoomable feature the maximum flood it can produce may not be very large either, but at least usable.

Anyway, maybe the manufacturers out there can include LEP in a multi-emitter setup, something like the Acebeam X70? Using one LEP + lens at the center, and surrounded by a number of LED’s for lumens and spill? Could this be how we get the best of both worlds?

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Any dark hole day or night. I bought a LEP specifically because it does not have any spill. If you don’t have a use for one, then don’t buy one. I carry a light every day that has a 70° hot spot and 120° spill. I don’t complain about that light and say that it should be more like an LEP. They have different uses.

You can't compare the big flashlight in the sky to the little flashlight in your hand.

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Dumb idea or not, I’m going with “I got one because I can.” Besides, as my wife would explain, it’s not as dumb of an idea of buying 10 different brands of professional quality Saxophones for a 3rd grader just starting out, but no one has ever accused me of subtility. This, from a guy without a Tungsten cube I’ll note.

Can’t wait to see 8 of these beasts wrapped up into a single array. Whooohooo …..

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Call it 11 if one adds the Yamaha Wind Synthesizer.

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A zoomable LEP light has two choices: either let the lens stick out of the front (a vulnerable idea), or the head must be wider than a comparable LEP light that does not zoom, to make way for the wider beam angle. Maybe they think that a less compact LEP flashlight is less attractive and sets itself less apart from a LED flashlight.(I’d agree with that)

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djozz wrote:
A zoomable LEP light has two choices: either let the lens stick out of the front (a vulnerable idea), or the head must be wider than a comparable LEP light that does not zoom, to make way for the wider beam angle. Maybe they think that a less compact LEP flashlight is less attractive and sets itself less apart from a LED flashlight.
Or maybe they just want it pretty damn waterproof. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Just say NO to Zumiez. And that is Google voice typing spelling.

You can't compare the big flashlight in the sky to the little flashlight in your hand.

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bibihang wrote:
Xandre wrote:
We only see LEPs with lenses,

If you use it in reflector,you have your spill,

Put it in a zoom,you can play.

Regards Xandre


Second this.
I am not sure why almost all of the manufacturers don’t make zoomable LEP flashlight, except for Maxtoch.
But on the other hand the light emitting angle of LEP module could be very small compared to LED’s, hence I am not sure if LEP would work well in a reflector setup.
And because of the same reason, even with zoomable feature the maximum flood it can produce may not be very large either, but at least usable.

Anyway, maybe the manufacturers out there can include LEP in a multi-emitter setup, something like the Acebeam X70? Using one LEP + lens at the center, and surrounded by a number of LED’s for lumens and spill? Could this be how we get the best of both worlds?


I’d like to see a compact Zoomie LEP.

But that said, the lumens and tint of a LEP might make for a rather poor flood mode. To address this, add additional LEDs under the lens next to the laser phosphor. These extra LEDs could be something like LH351D or SST-20. Something floodier, with better CRI, and more lumens for up-close use.

They wouldn’t even need to add a lot of extra LEDs to boost the flood mode. Even just one extra LED is probably enough.

I would also like to see a simple ultra-compact pocket LEP flashlight.

The new compact Lumintop is close… but it still has a wide bezel and a lot of unneeded trit slots and other elements that make the light bigger than it needs to be.

The Richfire LEP is a nice simple tube. But it’s sized for 21700 and the light itself is fairly large…. too big for pocket EDC.

To date, NOBODY has produced an ultra-compact LEP with a simple knurled tube as the body and head.

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Real world uses, no idea.
Buy me one and i will test it and see if i can find any Big Smile

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Maybe a LEP flashlight makes for a good cat toy? Perhaps safer for your cat than a laser pointer. Cool

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