Recommendations for a spotlight to scare off wildlife at night?

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Thank you!

 

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the dog should be restrained within a fenced area, so it cannot hunt skunks you are required by law to report a skunk encounter

our property is 2.5 acres, about 3/4 acre flat top where the house is and hill sloping down. the entire area is fenced, the 3/4 acre around the house has an additional fence separating it from the slop, cannot exclude critter access from the "hill" too many gates, and crawl areas under them and the fence... 

the fence around the house area has snake fencing (1/2" hardware cloth 12-18" deep), chicken wire to 5 feet above ground, and an extension to 8ft all around.

 

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1. Do not let the dog run free at night, no matter how demanding she is. Killing wildlife is a serious problem, and your dog now knows it is fun, and that you are a pushover.

 

Tried it, but she cheats, pretends that she has to go pee... and she also barks from inside the house at the critters.

our older dog recently developed epilepsy, fairly bad, and cannot be controlled by drugs (tried multiple drugs/combinations over the last two years). the indoor barking wakes her up, and when she does not get a good night's sleep, she is much more susceptible to seizures.

 

jon_slider wrote:
2. Take an obedience class with your dog. So you learn ways NOT to give in to the dog demanding to go skunk hunting at night.

 

little monster is super obedient (except when it comes to hunting critters...) and has been trained from day one, though not as much as our older and previous dogs due to having to deal with the epilepsy... 

 

it is amazing to see my wife work and train the dogs (on a daily basis). from the basic sit, stay, hang on, come, etc, to more sophisticated tricks, scent hunting, pulling, etc.

 

however, the dogs do know that I am a pushover and do take advantage of me (lots of stories, including all of them pretending to starve, and leading me to their bowls and food container... so I gave them a second dinner...). but not my wife...

 

but the little monster has a much stronger hunting drive than her aunt (our older dog), and my wife says not to issue a command when you cannot enforce the command (or know that the dog will not obey). so calling her to come in the middle of the night while she is hunting is not a good solution... though it is the only thing we currently do, with lavish praise and treats when she comes home. but little monster seems to take advantage and goes out and barks just to get treats when she comes in... wife is now working on teaching her the difference between "be quiet" and "come home"

 

jon_slider wrote:
3. Another dog management tool to consider, is "Crate Training"

 

she was crate trained when young, all our dogs were when they were puppies, but as they grew older, wife abandoned the crates other than on trips, in the truck and hotels.

 

jon_slider wrote:
4. "consider an anti barking device"

 

have two, however, my wife stopped using them, in general, my wife does not like collars when the dogs are at home. she grew up on a ranch and witnessed several animals strangle/hang themselves on their collars. anyway the bark collars did not work as well as teaching her the "be quiet" command

 

thanks again so much for all the info.

 

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Can someone explain to me Amazon allowing returns for perfectly working products?

If you buy something and it works as advertised, but your idea of what you wanted it to do doesn’t work, how is it fair on the seller to return that product?

Seems extremely unfair

It’s not, but that’s part of “a to z”.

Same like people who can’t read the ALL CAPS BOLDFACE warning to take out the insulating disc between cell and spring, then return it and 1-star it claiming it “doesn’t work”.

Like was said about WallyWorld also applies to Amazon, “The only thing worse than selling through Wal*Mart is not selling through Wal*Mart.”.

Ie, you gain a huge buying audience, but gotta play by their rules or else, even if you get unreasonably screwed.

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Can someone explain to me Amazon allowing returns for perfectly working products? If you buy something and it works as advertised, but your idea of what you wanted it to do doesn't work, how is it fair on the seller to return that product? Seems extremely unfair

 

when you are not at the store, and cannot touch/feel/try the item, a liberal return policy goes a long way... 

 

and I do the same for Home Depot / Lowes, I am a software guy, when it comes to hardware, I usually buy everything that might work, and return the rest.

 

I do believe that both Amazon and brick-and-mortar stores re-sell the unused items.

 

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As a store owner I find that attitude shi**y since it’s now secondhand and an honest business would list it on clearance marked as a return.

There’s reviews out there to read for a reason

Thankfully NZ is against such practices.

Edit: I’m referring to a used product, not unused as that’s required by law and not an issue to me

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You think that people that return stuff to Amazon don't read reviews?

Many of them read tons of reviews, including myself.

Remind me not to visit your store or buy anything from you (if I go to New Zealand) because your attitude is really sh*tty.

Accepting returns may not be pleasant for a seller, but it's just the cost of doing business.

Buyers don't like to be stuck with something that they just bought and don't like/want/need the item.

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If it’s correctly advertised and works as intended then the seller isn’t required to accept a return, why should he?

If it’s unused in its original packaging a return is required by law, but if its been opened and used that’s what I’m referring to

Pretty obvious what I was meaning if you read it correctly

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Hey how bouts carrying a green laser pointer too. I use it all the time when the local Woodpecker lands on the vent pipes on top of the house and starts going at it! Damn man, before I found out it was a Woodpecker doing all that rumbling knocking sound, I thought it was the plumbing or something. Days going around flushing the toilets and turning on the faucets. Evil

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Can't laser pointers damage an animal's eyes?

I mean, I was talking about using a flamethrower, but I was just kidding around.  :THUMBS-UP:

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I frequently shop at Amazon because it's so easy to return stuff.

Sometimes I'm willing to pay extra just so that I have that option.

I don't abuse that feature, but I'm sure Amazon gets a lot of business because they are so customer friendly.

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raccoon city wrote:

Can’t laser pointers damage an animal’s eyes?

I always aim around the bird. Never occurred to me to shine in their eyes. My idea is if the bird is happy, then I’m happy too. Smile But that pecking/ rumbling noise has gotta go! Big Smile

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Accepting returns may not be pleasant for a seller, but it’s just the cost of doing business.

Buyers don’t like to be stuck with something that they just bought and don’t like/want/need the item.

I’m talking about items that the customer has used and then decides they don’t want it. If it’s correctly advertised and works as intended, if not, then of course a return is within their rights.

I’m not referring to unused products that are still in their box.

I test everything when I receive it and again before shipping. All flashlights are inspected, I tighten retaining rings, add lube, clean contacts, test usb charging on my tester, and test lumen output to make sure it’s performance is accurate to my given spec. Only had 5 returns in 6+ years

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raccoon city wrote:

Not the dog!  :FACEPALM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5eXRi7AoWE

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This same post is on CPF and here. Three replies there and 44 here.

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Funtastic wrote:
Can someone explain to me Amazon allowing returns for perfectly working products?

If you buy something and it works as advertised, but your idea of what you wanted it to do doesn’t work, how is it fair on the seller to return that product?

Seems extremely unfair

If you have an easy return policy it gets abused. Amazon has the easiest. Supposedly, Amazon watches for extreme abuse.

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Lou Minescence wrote:
This same post is on CPF and here. Three replies there and 44 here.

 

I did not know BLF existed and had an account there from years ago, though never posted... 

 

CPF had to approve/moderate my post while here it was visible immediately, even as a new user

 

and you guys were very helpful, so I did not even check CPF to see if they'd approve my post

 

thanks for letting me know

 

just visited CPF, cannot even find my own post... even after searching by username... oh well

 

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avic wrote:

 


when you are not at the store, and cannot touch/feel/try the item, a liberal return policy goes a long way… 


 


and I do the same for Home Depot / Lowes, I am a software guy, when it comes to hardware, I usually buy everything that might work, and return the rest.


 


I do believe that both Amazon and brick-and-mortar stores re-sell the unused items.


 


-avi


 

[/quote] There are very few flashlights that you’re going to be able to test in any store and almost never at night in the dark. There certainly are costs to businesses and therefore other customers when people are returning things for no damn good reason. And some items can’t simply be put back on the shelf although some can be. When I see objects on shelves that have had packaging opened or resealed in some manner I am reluctant to buy it because I don’t know if all of the components were put back into the package by some clown that didn’t know what he was buying or doesn’t care about the next guy that may buy it. I have returned items to Amazon twice. One was because the item was damaged probably at the factory and the other was because it was some unknown unidentified thread that is not used in this country. And when I went back and looked at the wording of the description it was clear that they knew it was a problem and worded things in such a way as to deceive. Edit, added more.
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There are very few flashlights that you're going to be able to test in any store and almost never at night in the dark. There certainly are costs to businesses and therefore other customers when people are returning things for no damn good reason. And some items can't simply be put back on the shelf although some can be. When I see objects on shelves that have had packaging opened or resealed in some manner I am reluctant to buy it because I don't know if all of the components were put back into the package by some clown let them know what he was buying or doesn't care about the next guy that may buy it.

 

you are correct about flashlights, which is why I ordered from Amazon, so I can try it out. btw, it was much cheaper to get the same light direct from the manufacture, so I am paying for the privilege of "might need to return"

 

I do not abuse their liberal return policy, and if I do suspect that I might return, I very carefully open the package, make sure that whatever I return is in brand new condition, and I pack it exactly the same, with all components and accessories.

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Not really about returns but how about the old “I did not receive my items yet” trick with Ali, BG etc.:D You know how it goes. Received the items but maybe, just maybe I can get another one for free lol.
Another one is where you just msg them because you really did not get it and it’s taking longer than usual.. Then the next couple of days it arrives. Cash Ahhh good times. Innocent

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Lol, but brand new is unopened and sealed in the original packaging, it also means unused/not turned on.

“As new” maybe

Remember that higher pricing is often due to taxes to import the product and Amazon fees, doesn’t often mean they’re making more money.

Costs 15% tax here in NZ and up to 10% in other website fees

Anyway, moving on Smile

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raccoon city wrote:
Accepting returns may not be pleasant for a seller, but it’s just the cost of doing business.

Buyers don’t like to be stuck with something that they just bought and don’t like/want/need the item.

I’m talking about items that the customer has used and then decides they don’t want it. If it’s correctly advertised and works as intended, if not, then of course a return is within their rights.

I’m not referring to unused products that are still in their box.

I test everything when I receive it and again before shipping. All flashlights are inspected, I tighten retaining rings, add lube, clean contacts, test usb charging on my tester, and test lumen output to make sure it’s performance is accurate to my given spec. Only had 5 returns in 6+ years

Is this a cultural thing in the US? I often see comments online to the effect of ‘I’ll buy both and return the one I don’t like’ but I don’t think I could bring myself to do that even it was an option.

In Australia you have the right to a replacement, repair, or refund (generally at the discretion of the retailer) if the item is defective. Many retailers also allow you to return items for change of mind, but I think it’s often only for exchange or store credit. I think large, high-volume retailers tend to have more generous policies. Despite this, I think most people I know generally only return things occasionally – mostly items of clothing that don’t fit or gifts that don’t suit (e.g. a book that the recipient already has).

I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with taking advantage of generous return policies – I just think it’s an interesting cultural difference.

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avic wrote:
... ...just visited CPF, cannot even find my own post... even after searching by username... oh well ... ...

 

On CPF, there is a "New Posts" button, But.... once you read the post/thread, the thread disappears from the New Posts list, until another post is added. Sad

 

On this forum, the post/thread does not disappear from the Recent Posts list after it is read. You can still easily find it, after you read it. Smile

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Is this a cultural thing in the US? I often see comments online to the effect of ‘I’ll buy both and return the one I don’t like’ but I don’t think I could bring myself to do that even it was an option.

In Australia you have the right to a replacement, repair, or refund (generally at the discretion of the retailer) if the item is defective. Many retailers also allow you to return items for change of mind, but I think it’s often only for exchange or store credit. I think large, high-volume retailers tend to have more generous policies. Despite this, I think most people I know generally only return things occasionally – mostly items of clothing that don’t fit or gifts that don’t suit (e.g. a book that the recipient already has).

I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with taking advantage of generous return policies – I just think it’s an interesting cultural difference.

Kind of. People have gotten used to abusing Amazon’s return policy and now accept it as the norm. The fact that Amazon doesn’t really care or can’t audit the volume of returns they receive only exacerbates the problem.

I will only return items to any storefront if they are unused and unopened unless they are damaged or defective in some way. If I open and test/use the item and decide I don’t like or want it, that’s not the store’s fault and they shouldn’t be liable for the cost of return shipping, restocking, and reselling the item as used. If I don’t want it, I can resell it myself.

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Funtastic wrote:
Lol, but brand new is unopened and sealed in the original packaging, it also means unused/not turned on.

“As new” maybe

Then by your own definition, all the inventory you open, inspect, and test from your store don’t meet that criteria. Is it sold “as new?” The factory seals have been broken, and they’ve been handled and used after they’ve left the factory.

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Is this a cultural thing in the US? I often see comments online to the effect of ‘I’ll buy both and return the one I don’t like’ but I don’t think I could bring myself to do that even it was an option.

In Australia you have the right to a replacement, repair, or refund (generally at the discretion of the retailer) if the item is defective. Many retailers also allow you to return items for change of mind, but I think it’s often only for exchange or store credit. I think large, high-volume retailers tend to have more generous policies. Despite this, I think most people I know generally only return things occasionally – mostly items of clothing that don’t fit or gifts that don’t suit (e.g. a book that the recipient already has).

I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with taking advantage of generous return policies – I just think it’s an interesting cultural difference.

It’s not culture. It’s how business is conducted, and part of the cost of doing business, like shrinkage.

In most places, return policies are not actually compulsory by regulation, they’ve offered due to competition. Retailers don’t have to accept returns, or have liberal policies, and “all sales final” is perfectly legal under most conditions that don’t involve defects, or other circumstances. Competitive pressure is what motivates retailers to offer them.

Like all policies, they can be abused, and retailers take measures to discourage that, including tracking returns, and reserving the right to refuse them from abusive customers. But, most customers are honest. Retailers are less concerned about petty offenses, and more so about systemic, organized fraudulent activity, including from their own employees.

As for the OP’s question — lights likely won’t do jack. I’ve come across raccoons that didn’t flinch when hit with 3000+ Turbo lumens at close range, and only flinched at a strobe, before sauntering away on their own.

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Lol, but brand new is unopened and sealed in the original packaging, it also means unused/not turned on.

“As new” maybe

Then by your own definition, all the inventory you open, inspect, and test from your store don’t meet that criteria. Is it sold “as new?” The factory seals have been broken, and they’ve been handled and used after they’ve left the factory.

Yes, but as an authorized repair agent I’ve been given express permission from the brands to carry this out, so I’m considered just another factory worker who has better QC than most.

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Funtastic wrote:
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Funtastic wrote:
Lol, but brand new is unopened and sealed in the original packaging, it also means unused/not turned on.

“As new” maybe

Then by your own definition, all the inventory you open, inspect, and test from your store don’t meet that criteria. Is it sold “as new?” The factory seals have been broken, and they’ve been handled and used after they’ve left the factory.

Yes, but as an authorized repair agent I’ve been given express permission from the brands to carry this out, so I’m considered just another factory worker who has better QC than most.

And yet, that still doesn’t not meet the definition of factory-sealed. There are categories of products where dealers and agents do in normal course perform configuration and final assembly and testing in their facilities, but they are few and far between, if not non-existent, for packaged consumer goods, flashlights included.

I believe most consumers, myself included, would not expect what you do to be considered normal practice, regardless of whatever value that may add for some customers. The expectation and full faith is in the factory to ship non-defective goods, and to only seek support if that does not occur.

I don’t know if that’s normal practice in NZ, but it’s certainly not the case here in the U.S., and I doubt there is much if any demand for it.

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I believe most consumers, myself included, would not expect what you do to be considered normal practice, regardless of whatever value that may add for some customers. The expectation and full faith is in the factory to ship non-defective goods, and to only seek support if that does not occur.

I don’t know if that’s normal practice in NZ, but it’s certainly not the case here in the U.S., and I doubt there is much if any demand for it.

It’s needed when selling the cheaper brands like Sofirn, Wurkkos, and Convoy. Firefires isn’t cheap, but I had to stop being a dealer because of how poor the QC was. First order of 24 flashlights had 8-10 units with issues, the worst being a faulty head in a box without a body. I’m still owed two flashlights, but the only way I was going to get them was with my next purchase….umm, no thank you.

Sofirn – dirty contacts, wrong lube on un-anodized threads preventing connection (45pcs SD03 had to be cleaned and re-lubed), uneven shelf causing 6pcs SP70 LEDs to die, covering up scratches etc etc etc
Sofirn make Wurkkos models, so much the same
Convoy – everything has worked fine, but fingerprints on inside of glass, dusty reflectors, uneven shelf, LEDs off center, poor spring bypass. Had to install a 2nd spring on everything as it was quicker than redoing the bypass. Thankfully Convoy (Simon) now use a high current spring

For my hunting lights I assemble them all myself to make sure it’s done correctly with Convoy’s hosts..

The customer service is very good though, I don’t even need to prove a unit is faulty, I just tell them what I need or what the issue is and it gets sorted. It’s a very different story with Mateminco/Astrolux, I have to send a video proving it, even as a dealer. It’s very annoying.

I’m pretty extreme with my testing and it’s probably not amazing since it takes up a lot of my time. I also batch test every order of batteries and check voltage on all of them before shipping too.

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I call it the Walmart effect. Unquestioned returns made everyone expect it everywhere.

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quick follow-up as promised...

 

got both the cheap $20 spotlight and the SF47T charged them and took them out at night. unfortunately, we had a bit of fog/mist in the air so everything was fuzzy... 

 

I have no idea what battery or LED in the cheap light, but I like it very much, nearly as bright as the SF47T, the beam is well focused, very sharp border, almost no spill. it is large, but lightweight, no idea as to the run time, but I won't need it for more than a few minutes every night.

amazon.com/gp/product/B07BQCNB16

 

and I do like the SF47T too. seems very well made, the beam has more spill which is not a bad thing as it makes the lighted area larger, the hot spot is smaller than the cheap one and a bit brighter, the strobe mode is better than the cheap one which is more fast blink than a strobe.

 

I am keeping them both... 

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A light alone wont scare them off. A noise will. Thumbs Up

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A light alone wont scare them off. A noise will. Thumbs Up

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Right. A thrower taped to a pellet gun offers three incentives for a critter to think twice: Bright light, noise, and pain. I know this thread is a few months old but it seems worth mentioning. Critters don’t come back for at least three months after said encounter.

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