Show us illuminated object at 1760 meters.
Mike

I know, that’s why asked. That range is BS and you know that too

I find that more illustrative than candela figures. And since we all know it’s B/S, it’s useful B/S. I guess.

You guys remember the song: “I Wish I Were an Oscar Meyer Weiner?”

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sp5it wrote:

In good old days, when someone review a flashlight and claimed, that that light have 200m range, there was an image of illuminated object at that range.

The ANSI standard is only good for comparing models, not much else. It would be hard to give any other range spec though.

I always take the range spec and halve it at the very least.

I just assumed (see, that is my fault) that the meters and candela thing was accepted by people as a standardized comparison metric between one flashlight and all other flashlights. I have known since my first month on the forum that the flashlights do not illuminate these distances. But honestly, HOW ELSE are we comparing them to each other in a numeric, repeatable, and understandable way. I mean the candela number works too, but the meter number gives some frame of reference. 

But I do see what's going on here, there's a mindset of the old school, and something doesn't earn a grand claim until it can attain it. But the problem with the "reading a newspaper" proof is that so many light would be so similar it would be ridiculously difficult to tell which ones Technically outperform the other. 

that word technically, that is bothering the old school. 

anyway, this light looks AWESOME Chibi! I created a thread (or a poll) about this a month or so ago, the furthest throwing single cell LEDlight(knowing I have the k1, but I wanted to find whatever could outperform it). This may be it!

looking forward to the review. 

Maxtoch price their lights too high though, so even though the performance is good, the price isn’t.

I’ve got the Maxtoch L3K arriving early next week for review. My first LEP, I can’t wait!

Robin Dobbie][quote wrote:

The other moronic flashlight spec is showing battery life of the lowest possible mode.

ohh, I hate that one! 

I have the previous iteration of the XPro. The reflector quality is really, really good. Produces the prettiest beam. I prefer is in the traditional two cell layout though.

An LEP version with a buck/boost driver would be nice. Not sure if there’s any point of making it that wide though. I think the K1 is a better size for pocket carry.

i really like the design of this Maxtoch A lot. A clean and classic looking large head thrower aesthetic. they are a brand i am not at all familiar with outside of reading their name here and there on BLF. Any idea of the price of this ChibiM ?

“Show us illuminated object at 1760 meters.”
Mike

Indeed. The ol’ venerable Missouri Redoubt. Show me!

Variables. Full moon to no moon, etc. Foggy, super clear out, humidity levels, altitude, etc. LED variables, bins, etc. Reflectivity of the target, size of the target, foreground/background surrounding the target, etc. Important variables to filter through before one can definitely say they know what they’re talking about on any specific flash. Everything else is ultimately conjecture due to those variables. So watt situational factors did the manufacturer operate under considering such variables (and others unmentioned) to come up with throw meters? Who knows, right?

Of course an indoor lux meter helps reduce those variables and will give a pretty good idea of watt the flash is capable of doing in real world scenarios. Especially since now there’s a boat load of data out there on other similar flash performances. Hopefully accurate data.

So, I’d rather see lux meter results first and then go from there.

PS. There’s a lot of historically proven BS hyped data out there in general. Hence one’s BSMULTIMETER needs recalibration on a frequent basis. It’s almost better for a manufacturer to underdeliver on advertised performance specs than to do the opposite. That way initial BLF incredulousness is overriden by real outperformance and then the word spreads. Sales rise. Almost everyone’s happier. Except for the newly excited buyer who pays full retail cuz there aren’t any discounts.
PSS. It’s also possible that Maxtoch did exactly that. Imagine if consistent real world reviews show that it actually throws at least 500 meters more than advertised. Yikes! Where do I buy one on sale!

I really like the look of that thing with the black on red theme. There is a resemblance to the K1 though. Boost HL onboard, so i believe the rating.

Does this Maxcock employ the Osram CSLPM1-TG emitter?? How many metres is the new Astrolux EA02 rated for on paper spec sheet…1600ish meters? It’s reflector is roughly 56/7mm diameter and quite deep. The Max looks to be a great light but I get pissed off at my Olight Javelot Turbo & Warrior-X-Turbo as combined they were over au$500 yet my EA02 is just as good quality, performes better, has Anduril, I can choose what cells I use, can run a short tube 26350 & cost me $69!! I’d give up either Olights before the EA02 to be honest. Hopefully Maxtoch can justify its price.

This is the Boost HL, the 4040 1mm² size white flat. Can be driven harder with higher cd²mm. The EA02 has the Boost HX, the 2mm² version of the 4040 size white flat. More lumens, less throw.

CR888 wrote:

Does this Maxtoch employ the Osram CSLPM1-TG emitter?? How many metres is the new Astrolux EA02 rated for on paper spec sheet…1600ish meters? It’s reflector is roughly 56/7mm diameter and quite deep. The Max looks to be a great light but I get pissed off at my Olight Javelot Turbo & Warrior-X-Turbo as combined they were over au$500 yet my EA02 is just as good quality, performes better, has Anduril, I can choose what cells I use, can run a short tube 26350 & cost me $69!! I’d give up either Olights before the EA02 to be honest. Hopefully Maxtoch can justify its price.

The EA02 is only rated for 1369m, but falls short.

Maxtoch won’t ever drop their pricing because it messes with many bypassing the local dealers. Their pricing used to be very low a few years ago, but increased everything to be fair.

The X Pro has the CSLNM1

Keep in mind that the EA02 uses a Fet+1 driver which is inferior to constant current used in most Maxtoch models. The EA02 turns purple with a too high amp cell, so gotta be careful of that.

Astrolux has poor customer service and next to no warranty from Banggood, so you need to take all these things into account when comparing prices

Sirstinky wrote:

This is the Boost HL, the 4040 1mm² size white flat. Can be driven harder with higher cd²mm. The EA02 has the Boost HX, the 2mm² version of the 4040 size white flat. More lumens, less throw.

Their website photo in the description says it’s a CSLNM1 though

Th558 wrote:

An LEP version with a buck/boost driver would be nice. Not sure if there’s any point of making it that wide though. I think the K1 is a better size for pocket carry.

Maxtoch target hunters for mounting on rifles, so pocket carry isn’t what they had in mind

I edited it in my reply with his quote

CNCman wrote:

Funtastic wrote:

I edited it in my reply with his quote

#7 is still there.

Yes, I’m aware, but that’s up to him now

Interesting red crenulated bezel ring there.

Hey, it's been a decade and people are still a) complaining and/or b) not understanding the 2009 ANSI-NEMA FL1 ratings.  Really?  It was never perfect from the start but at least it's a standard that works across brands and models for comparison on basic numerical merits.  Still have to interpret them with a little real world experience and consider all of the influencing factors.  Maybe our enthusiast community could cobble together an update of alternatives for the standard.  For candela, perhaps bumping it to one full lux instead of one quarter of a lux?  I think we've been lucky that the majority of light manufacturers finally got on board with the standards - getting them to adapt to changes might take awhile, causing confusion or disappointment in the market until everyone is homogeneous again.

Correllux wrote:

For candela, perhaps bumping it to one full lux instead of one quarter of a lux?

Anyone know how I would calculate that? For the ANSI rating I do square root of candela x 2.

sp5it wrote:

In good old days, when someone review a flashlight and claimed, that that light have 200m range, there was an image of illuminated object at that range. If Maxtoch X PRO have 1760 meters range, prove it empirically that you can illuminate an object and see it. Ask a friend to keep the flashlight and go to claimed range and try to read newspaper. I bet you can't. So I call it bullshit. Numbers given are like tell a girl length of weiner together with the spine. Mike

It's calculated. In order to take a good picture of an object that far away, you need 3 things:

1. Iceland clean air
2. A camera with good lens and tripod
3. A photographer who knows how to take night pics. 

Funtastic wrote:

Anyone know how I would calculate that? For the ANSI rating I do square root of candela x 2.

Look it up because I might be wrong but I think it's measured candela divided by the standard (.25 lux), then the square root of that.  Changing it to 1 instead of .25 seems to give roughly half the value on the couple I ballparked.  I actually think changing the standard might be helpful to consumers but I wasn't paying much attention when all of this was being discussed and I can't find a free copy of the actual testing standards (ANSI and ASME don't give away anything for free).  I don't know if there's a chance changing the value could affect very low-powered devices in a negative (marketing) way or what other aspects might really matter and caused them to decide upon this seemingly worthless value of one quarter lux. 

 
The ol' light wiki:  https://flashlightwiki.com/ANSI-NEMA_FL-1

I'll read through this one later because it looks like some discussion to chew on without having to wade through a million posts on CPF:  http://www.led-resource.com/ansi-fl1-standard/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law

I think the Maxtoch X Pro is interesting enough to deserve its own thread, so I started a new thread to discuss ANSI throw compared to visible throw

https://budgetlightforum.com/node/77858