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EDC Suggestions for a Noob (Please)

If you don't mind, can one (or more!) of you either directly suggest some models, or point me to articles where I can review lights to fit my need? I'm not even sure where to start, though I've started in the CR123A forum (where I've received some nice help) and I am looking everywhere from there. The CR123A lights are about the right size but do not seem to be the power level I am seeking.

 

  • I'm looking for a form-factor of 3 - 4 inches (75 to 100 mm) <-- the closer to 3 (75 mm) the better
  • I'm looking for 1k+ lumens. I know that is no longer the scale to determine actual brightness, but I'm still a noob (I am open to other suggestions)
  • Neutral white is my preference, but warm or cool are ok
  • A mix of throw and wide area. I have about a 1/3 acre I am trying to get bright enough to make out dogs
  • I need a minimum run time at the 1k lumens of 30 minutes but prefer 1 hour (this allows me multiple nights/mornings of use before a recharge)

 

  • I mentioned in the CR123A section that I have an OLightS1R; it is nice, but just isn't powerful enough, long enough.
  • I don't care one way or another if it charges batteries internally to the light or if I need to remove them to charge them
  • Water tight would be really nice
  • $50 or less is preferred

 

That's all I can think of for now.

 

Thank you for any help you can provide.

 

Will

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16340 is a small and rather anæmic cell, but it’s really compact. Compare a 16340 light like the Jet-II with any 18350 light like a FC11/SC31pro/S2+ and shorty tube. The former is way more compact, but the latter is way more powerful. You don’t get both, unless you want a runtime of only 13min.

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I would suggest you visit Convoy on Aliexpress. On 1/3 acres an S2+ would be about perfect. but you could step up to a triple or quad and just use the brute force. BTW, they have 18350 tubes for the entire S line, I think. My wife loves the S2 I built her with an 18350 tube.

I have several of the Lumentop FW3A’s and FW1A’s and they are very compact 18650 lights the are fantastic to use and fit a pocket very well. If you pocket one, do use the lock feature… they can start a fire on the highest modes and have touchy switches.

Another compact, great light is the Emisar D4V2, Both Convoy and International Outdoor have very good support and wonderful LED tint choices.

If you are in a hurry or want state side support look at Mountain Electronics. The support, again is really good and orders do not take weeks to get here.

I have several 16340 lights and find them very hard to recommend due to the poor cell performance, 18350 lights get better but are still not amazing from a runtime standpoint. But, they do have their uses. I find that improvements in AA/14500 lights are big enough now that they are useful, but still limited. But, I will admit to owning several.

Welcome aboard, enjoy the new rabbit hole! Smile

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FW1A, LH351D 4000k (second favorite)
FW3A, LH351D 3500k
FW3A, SST20 FD2 4000k
FW3A, Nichia 4000k sw40 r9080 (favorite light!)
FW3A, Cree XP-L Hi 5A3
Emisar D4V2, SST20 4000k
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First, thank you for your advice. Second, I don't understand all the configurations of this light:

 

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32564860692.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_groupList.8148356.38.2ad614f2Mr2NJi

 

Do they mean 8 cells when they say 7135x8?

 

Thank you again!

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mattlward wrote:
I have several 16340 lights and find them very hard to recommend due to the poor cell performance, 18350 lights get better but are still not amazing from a runtime standpoint. But, they do have their uses. I find that improvements in AA/14500 lights are big enough now that they are useful, but still limited. But, I will admit to owning several.

Wellp, even 16340 lights do have their purpose. Same reason people use AAA/10440 lights…

No one is going to use an AAA light to go rooting for truffles at night. But a lot of people won’t even carry an AA light, when I’m good with EDCing an 18650 light. Tastes vary.

So yeah, 18350 lights are small, but to some people, they’re still too big, and will deal with only 16340 lights at best.

And compare a Jet-II with a shorty S2+ or SC31pro. It’s a fairly big difference side-by-side, in the hand and in the pocket.

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S33k3r wrote:
I need a minimum run time at the 1k lumens of 30 minutes but prefer 1 hour

that is a tall order… and pretty much rules out any battery smaller than 18650

here is a runtime graph for a highly respected brand of light, that could meet your stated output and runtime goals:

pic is a link to an excellent review site

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Do they mean 8 cells when they say 7135×8?

it is about electronic components.. not relevant to your quest for sustained 1000 lumen lights…

The S2+ cannot sustain 1000 lumens….

click the runtime graph for the whole review:

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S33k3r wrote:

First, thank you for your advice. Second, I don’t understand all the configurations of this light:


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Do they mean 8 cells when they say 7135×8?


 


Thank you again!

7135 denotes the “current regulator”, if you will, that manages the power from the cell (battery) going to the LED in the flashlight. Each one allows 350 mA of current. Maybe a piss poor analogy, but think of a river dam with several gates to regulate water flow. The more you have/open, the greater volume of water released. The more 7135’s on a board, the more power it can supply from the cell to the emitter. In a nutshell, that’s what your looking at in the description. There are far more knowledgeable folks here who could do a better job of explaining it, but that made it simpler for me to understand when I first started learning about flashlight electronics.

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Hey! Thanks! If I remember my electrical basics... Having 8 channels delivers more current with less resistance; if that had to be done in serial, there would be more resistance, correct? Now I'm going to have to go look, LOL.

 

Yeah, the Zebralight checks most of the boxes, but is outside my $$$ limit at $119. Even could I avoid the fight with the wife, I don't want to pay that much for a light I may misplace because it is small. Thanks, though.

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S33k3r wrote:

First, thank you for your advice. Second, I don’t understand all the configurations of this light:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32564860692.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_groupList.8148356.38.2ad614f2Mr2NJi

Do they mean 8 cells when they say 7135×8?

Thank you again!

From the description:

Quote:

7135*3 output current 1050mA
7135*4 output current 1400mA
7135*6 output current 2100mA
7135*8 output current 2800mA
the bigger current ,the brighter and hotter flashlight

My S2+ in 7135*8 configuration with XP-L HI emitter can get a bit toasty after a while of running on full brightness, but it’s manageable. Alas, as others already pointed out, it will not maintain 1000 lm output for an hour.

Also, the ones with biscotti UI are more configurable.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32820745681.html

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+1 for Zebralight. Worth every penny.

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Zebralight for sure. Worth the extra money. I have several and at least on of them gets carried every day. Without fail they always work and they take a beating very well.

The SC52w is usually in my pocket but that one won’t meet your requirements. Looks like the 700 would work for you. If you can give up a bit of that run time the 600 series is smaller and rides in a pocket a lot easier as well.

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I guess it is the second time I suggest this light this week:
https://ylplight.com/en/katalog/1/ruchnye-fonari/unicorn-10/

102mm
neutral white
$46
uses 18650, so you have longer runtimes (but not at 1000lumens, no way)

Check this review from zeroair:
https://zeroair.org/2020/03/30/ylp-unicorn-1-0-flashlight-review/

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Forgot I had an Amazon gift card! I just spent it on the Unicorn. Smile

 

I'm likely going to save up for the Zebralight, since it checks most if not all of my boxes. But the unicorn looks fun, so I'll enjoy one of those in the mean time.

 

Thanks, everyone!

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excellent choice
congrats

Im glad you got the High CRI option, hope you like it

will be interested to hear if the sustained 400 lumens on high proves to be enough for your application

please share your impression after you get the light
enjoy!

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The good news is that I got my light today, way earlier than I expected!!! The bad news is that "batteries are not included" LOL. Do y'all have suggestions for good batteries? I'm making a trip on Sunday, so I'll want to either get the battery before Sunday, or I'll have to have it delivered to the in-laws...

 

Thanks again -- you guys are awesome.

 

Will

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Sanyo/Panasonic NCR18650GA or Samsung INR18650-35E probably the two best out there. Lots of runtime and enough current for you highest settings.

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texas shooter wrote:
Sanyo/Panasonic NCR18650GA or Samsung INR18650-35E probably the two best out there. Lots of runtime and enough current for you highest settings.

 

Firstly, thanks for the quick response.

 

Secondly, I realized I hadn't searched before I opened my big reply box... On this forum, it is suggested that the "Samsung INR18650-36G" is also a really good option... But I can find neither of them on Amazon, for example. Any places you can suggest I should buy them? I'm still searching, by the way.

 

Thanks again!

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Should be able to find something in your local “vape” shop…might be a little pricey though.

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Here is a good place to start
https://www.18650batterystore.com/collections/18650-batteries/products/s...
I would avoid Amazon and Ebay for 18650s

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S33k3r wrote:

texas shooter wrote:
Sanyo/Panasonic NCR18650GA or Samsung INR18650-35E probably the two best out there. Lots of runtime and enough current for you highest settings.

 


Firstly, thanks for the quick response.


 


Secondly, I realized I hadn’t searched before I opened my big reply box… On this forum, it is suggested that the “Samsung INR18650-36G” is also a really good option… But I can find neither of them on Amazon, for example. Any places you can suggest I should buy them? I’m still searching, by the way.


 


Thanks again!


Try one of these reputable shops:

https://liionwholesale.com/
https://www.imrbatteries.com/
https://www.illumn.com/
https://www.mtnelectronics.com/

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pennzy wrote:
Here is a good place to start https://www.18650batterystore.com/collections/18650-batteries/products/s... I would avoid Amazon and Ebay for 18650s

 

Life sucks to be me, LOL. They are sold out of all the high capacity, 3.7volt batteries. I'll keep looking, but thank you.

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S33k3r wrote:

pennzy wrote:
Here is a good place to start https://www.18650batterystore.com/collections/18650-batteries/products/s... I would avoid Amazon and Ebay for 18650s

 


Life sucks to be me, LOL. They are sold out of all the high capacity, 3.7volt batteries. I’ll keep looking, but thank you.


https://liionwholesale.com/collections/batteries/products/panasonic-sany...
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I think Amazon or a local vape shop is your best bet since you need it so quickly.  Keeppower has some 18650 protected cells that are high capacity and decent cells, just a standard drain type, though, so not for higher power lights.  They're a little more expensive because of the rewrapping and protection, but those might be on Amazon.  Amazon is kind of scared of lithium-ion cells, it seems.

 

Also, there's a shop in California called Aloft Hobbies that several of us bought some large 26800 cells from recently.  I was astounded with how quickly they shipped/I received the packages.  Neither of my packages were labeled with the "contains lithium battery" sticker like they're supposed to be, so I'm sure that's why they rocketed through the postal system so fast.  Anyway, they have some Sony VT6C cells at a good/normal price.  They're high drain cells but have a respectable 3000mAh capacity...good choice really.  I think they were $6.99 or $6.49 each (some places have upped their price on those to $9 or more, which is crazy) and the shipping was pretty cheap.  Might be an option if you can ship to your inlaws.

 

Many cells from many vendors are out of stock at the moment, except for lower quality ones at some places.  Those will still do if need be, just kind of a waste of money compared to a good quality cell.  If there's a Sofirn light on Amazon that you like, many of those come with decent cells, too, and maybe you could get those delivered fast.

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Correllux wrote:

I think Amazon or a local vape shop is your best bet since you need it so quickly. 


Amazon had a ton of counterfeit 18650 cells in recent past since there are so many small vendors selling them and source is unknown. Amazon just couldn’t control it, so they ended up removing most of those 18650 product listings. Whatever is left there looks like garbage to me.
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Thank you for the suggestions!!! If I may, what is the difference between the button top and flat top batteries, other than the obvious? The Unicorn seems to need a button top is why I ask, and I keep finding flat tops...

 

I'm still researching, but I figured it was worth the ask.

 

Thanks again,

 

Will

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S33k3r wrote:

Thank you for the suggestions!!! If I may, what is the difference between the button top and flat top batteries, other than the obvious? The Unicorn seems to need a button top is why I ask, and I keep finding flat tops...

 

I'm still researching, but I figured it was worth the ask.

 

Thanks again,

 

Will

 

Button tops are the same cells as flat tops (factories only make the flat tops) but someone has welded on an additional button cap.  No difference usually other than a little added length and I suppose there are some applications made to nestle the button in a depression.  These days it seems like most of the button tops are also protected cells but from the usual battery suppliers you can get normal button tops if you like.  With many chargers, flat tops seem to make better contact (more of an issue with smaller cells but it just depends on the charger contacts). 

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Correllux wrote:

I think Amazon or a local vape shop is your best bet since you need it so quickly. 

Amazon had a ton of counterfeit 18650 cells in recent past since there are so many small vendors selling them and source is unknown. Amazon just couldn't control it, so they ended up removing most of those 18650 product listings. Whatever is left there looks like garbage to me.


Had a look today...very few high quality cells but there are lots of decent ones, albeit ridiculously priced and/or with protection or onboard charging ports.  Stock status is always fly-by-night on there even from the mainstream brands, so those may not show up in a search unless you check the box.  
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Correllux wrote:
These days it seems like most of the button tops are also protected cells but from the usual battery suppliers you can get normal button tops if you like.

Yeh, the 30Qs I got in my Q8s and the like are BTs only, unprotected, so you can get them just fine (eg, Fasttech).

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Correllux wrote:
These days it seems like most of the button tops are also protected cells but from the usual battery suppliers you can get normal button tops if you like.
Yeh, the 30Qs I got in my Q8s and the like are BTs only, unprotected, so you can get them just fine (eg, Fasttech).


Was referring to Amazon's selection, but I didn't make that clear. 

I got a "button top" 50E from Liion recently because they were out of the stock cell.  It's like a flat top really, possibly sticks up a millimeter...which made me happy once I could see it in person.  I'm curious now about the design history of cells and why they ever decided upon a button top as the norm back in the day.  Maybe just to lessen the chance of shorts with the can design?
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The GA stock flat top cells stick out just a bit, so they’re kind of like button tops while still being flat tops, if that makes sense:

With that said, liion sells both (flat and button top unprotected) for the same price.

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