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Luminus SFT40 test

Here is one that needed testing because I want to use it in a mod.

The Luminus SFT40 is like the dedomed version of the SST40, but it did receive a unique new design with the 4 bond wires that end in cut-off corners of the die. So expected is that bond wire failure is less likely to happen.

I got my SFT40 leds from Simon’s store ( link ), he lists the full partnr. as SFT-40-WCS-F50,N5-BC-VJ, so the output bin is N5 which is cool because that is the same bin as most domed SST40 leds for sale, with the added luminance of the dedomed version. The datasheet: SFT40datasheet

At 0.5mA the shape of the die can be seen nicely, the “rounded” corners are good for beam shape in smooth reflectors, also I think it looks a bit better in aspheric builds than completely square.

Here is (underexposed to see the hotspot shape well) beam from a smooth reflector, projected on the ceiling. Although the led was not even well centered, the beam looks very smooth, with no tint shifts.

The tint is plain low CRI cool white, for the record here is tint information, the tint was measured in the middle of the hotspot from a smooth reflector. The tint information below is at 1A, I also checked 5A, the parameters were similar but with higher CCT: 6340K.

The voltage/output test was done like all my more recent emitter tests, for links to my other led tests, see my sig-line below this post. I described the method in detail in my XP-L test, with two minor upgrades since that should not matter significantly for the results: I used my Integrating sphere no. II instead of no. I, and for the current I used a clamp meter, which appears to measure 0.1A lower than the power supply current-reading that I used for my earliest led tests.

Some further remarks about my led tests: 1) just one led was tested which I hope is representative for the whole batch, reflowed on a DTP copper board (XM-KDlight 20mm),  2) I used my large version II integrating sphere with high quality luxmeter, 3) the output numbers and voltages were measured with the led close to ‘steady state’ for each current, so warmed up and settled, you should be able to get these numbers in a well heatsinked flashlight. Mind that these are output numbers of the bare led, in a flashlight there will be losses from light obstructions, lens and optic, 4) output is in ‘djozz-lumen’ defined as 1/550 of the output of my Sunwayman D40A on high setting, which I hope is close to the real lumen, but at least is consistent over all my emitter tests done in integrating spheres. Last year I checked the djozz-lumen with lights measured by maukka and the djozz-lumen seems 7% to 11% high (depending on spectrum) compared to maukka’s calibration.

I added the graphs from two earlier led tests that I thought relevant in the chart, for comparison.

Test data:

This is clearly a new upgraded led: the output follows the other N5 bin led, SST40, nicely while being a domeless led Thumbs Up . And it outperforms the SST40 when going over 7A, so thermally it must be better. The XPL HI lags behind both in voltage and output, but there may be better bins around than the U5 that I tested back then.

And the 4 bondwires did their job! I could not kill the led even at 20A, which is the limit of my power supply. Moreover, when after the 20A going back to 5A and let the led settle for 10 minutes, the led performed exactly the same as before the 20A torture. Although the led failed to fail, the die (phosfor?) did not like anything over 11A, output dropped erratically for a while. And although the output performance did not change after the 20A treatment (90W!), perhaps the tint might have changed: structural things happened to the phosfor, and the white embedment stuff around the bond wire had melted a bit :

Conclusion: great led for throwy direct drive flashlights, best luminance of all 2×2mm dies I think. Impossible to destroy. But a quick luminance calculation shows that the luminance is still a bit lower than the smaller 1×1mm die Osram Boost HL led and the “White Flat” (Osram KW CSLNM1-TG). Those should throw a bit further, though with smaller hotspot and less output.

Edited by: djozz on 06/29/2021 - 09:34
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Very valuable info! Thanks for what you do djozz.

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Much better than expected! I so wish they deliver a CRI95 variant eventually….

Thanks for the test djozz!

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Thank you for the test, looks to be well made by Luminus. I have one on order, will try it in an L21A. Sweet spot around 8 Amps?

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DTales wrote:
Thank you for the test, looks to be well made by Luminus. I have one on order, will try it in an L21A. Sweet spot around 8 Amps?

Yep, Convoy rightly chose to drive this led at 8A Smile
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Great results, Djozz! But d4mn, one of my Sft40 has a failure, leaving a died ‘die dot(?)’ in the emitter.

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How is the luminance compared to the CSLPM1.TG?

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Nice!

So previously, the choice for throw at 2000 lumens was the XHP35 HI. This appears to not just surpass that, but also be more convenient as a 3v led.

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Nice!

So previously, the choice for throw at 2000 lumens was the XHP35 HI. This appears to not just surpass that, but also be more convenient as a 3v led.


And it’s more intense, XHP35 HI has 5.3 mm².
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Thanks for testing djozz. This may cause an Indian summer to some of my shelf queens.

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How’s the tint at low levels. Same as the SST40?

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How’s the tint at low levels. Same as the SST40?

Yes, comparable, slightly green but not too bad, and at high levels it looks a nice white.
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Nice Job once again! I've had a pair on the way since June 8th, but I'll have to order more now smile

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Wow, I was not expecting that boost in output at 9-10A! As you say, it looks like the best 4mm^2 LED for throw, and perfect for direct drive with that low Vf.

I just received a couple from Simon and I’m now eager to try them out.

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thanx for detailed test 

 

 

 but i disagree about tint. i got model from Fenix with sft40. it is HELLISH green like no other LED i've seen. it is green even in turbo. lower modes are unvievably ugly.  if there is 5000k version, i guess it will perform better. but in no circumstances i would mess with CW version of SFT40.  my standarts for tint are quite low. but this led is even lower.  

 

it is good LED though. in everything besides being sooo green.   consider this, guys. consider this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Perhaps Fenix has a different batch/bin than Convoy Flashlight Store?

I see no “hellish” tint in the leds that I tested. A bit, but acceptable, greenish at low current, “neutral” cool white at higher currents, slightly purple at direct drive in my FT03. Just like the SST40.

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Exciting...I have a couple on the way from Simon.  I'd planned on 6A but I may pause and order a different driver now.  I do hope they come out with a lower temp sometime, like 5000K or so.  Thanks for all the work and time you put into these tests, djozz! 

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Should go toe to toe with 2mm Osrams if you can drive it to 9-10A. I’ll have to pick a few of these up. SFT70 just got more exciting, but this should entertain for a bit until that shows up. Thanks djozz.

Btw, I think I saw something in the wild that suggested Luminus has a 2021 version sst40. Maybe 3000lm if it was a domed version of this?

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pehaps they picked brightest bin, which obviously means worst in color remperature and tint. as they would do with any other LED, i guess.

 

though, i must admit that they tk16v2 has CW sst70 with green tint while LR50R seems to have better bin with no visible green even in lowest modes

 

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Thx djozz for the test.

Looks like my choice was correct: S16 with 8A driver and SFT40. Ordered 3 more for Sofirn SP35 no ATR and other builds

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id30209 wrote:
S16 with 8A driver and SFT40. Ordered 3 more for Sofirn SP35 no ATR and other builds

Nice convoy build. Ramping or buck? I wish I’d bought a non-atr sp35 when they existed too..

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Thanks djozz for the test..

Received my M21C with SFT40. Agree with you that I see the same thing : “A bit, but acceptable, greenish at low current, “neutral” cool white at higher currents”.

djozz wrote:
Perhaps Fenix has a different batch/bin than Convoy Flashlight Store?

I see no “hellish” tint in the leds that I tested. A bit, but acceptable, greenish at low current, “neutral” cool white at higher currents, slightly purple at direct drive in my FT03. Just like the SST40.

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A huge thank you to djozz for the super informative test! Beer

Any real world comparison between SST40 and SFT40 in Astrolux FT03? Is the boost in intensity and lumens noticeable?

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JaredM wrote:
id30209 wrote:
S16 with 8A driver and SFT40. Ordered 3 more for Sofirn SP35 no ATR and other builds
Nice convoy build. Ramping or buck? I wish I'd bought a non-atr sp35 when they existed too..

 

I went with buck driver on S16.

Now i just remembered i have CPF Italia Cometa for upgrade too...

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A_M_K wrote:
A huge thank you to djozz for the super informative test! Beer

Any real world comparison between SST40 and SFT40 in Astrolux FT03? Is the boost in intensity and lumens noticeable?


I do not have the SST40 numbers anymore (but others will have that?) but moreover, I lost the led centerpiece thingie so I assembled the FT03 without one and have now improper centering/ focusing. So once I find the centerpiece back in my hobby-mess I can do the assembly right and produce numbers.

In the meantime, with unperfect centering and focusing I measured current (Shockli 5500mAh at 4.10V) at 8.8A (about perfect) and throw at 396 kcd. I expect some improvement on this after correct assembly.

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Great to see you back testing (even if it is just a one-off Smile ).

And thanks for showing me the SFT40 has advantages over my dedomed-by-KD SST40, i feel a D80v2 upgrade coming on.
This is one of those rare occasions my preference for a greener tint is of benefit Big Smile

And don’t quote me but from memory 396kcd is closer to FT03S territory than SST40 FT03.

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Here’s a comparison between domeless LEDs that I have, also with it’s brother/Sst40.

I used S2+ hosts, AR lens, and Smoooth Reflector. All of the LEDs were centered. Driven at 20-ish mA.

Limited English, still working on it.

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PeyoX wrote:
p<>. Here's a comparison between domeless LEDs that I have, also with it's brother/Sst40. p<>. I used S2+ hosts, AR lens, and Smoooth Reflector. All of the LEDs were centered. Driven at 20-ish mA.

 

That's a great comparison shot!  Especially so since you minimized the variations by using the same host/reflector/current, and they're all close to the same color temp...excellent!  I'd love to see the same shot at a longer distance if you have a large wall/building to use.  Thanks for taking the time to do this.

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Without a doubt agree. Would also much appreciate a slightly longed beam distance comparison picture!

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Thanks for the test djozz. I appreciate the work. These look really good.

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Thank you Djozz for testing this LED. I got one of Simon in the m21c, and i have more bare led's on the way. hoping they come in soon. 

 

I noticed the tint was very pleasing for 6500k, white light more than green or blue or anything like that.

 

Question - i feel like this is the 3volt equivalent of the xhp35 (another favorite of mine), does it beat xhp35 / xhp35.2 in luminance?

 

Also - hopefully after CREE comes out with xhp50.3 in neutral tints, Luminus will see that and respond by making the SFT40 in 5000k, or maybe even 4000k. the SFT40 in 5000k/4000k would be unparalleled at this time!

Check out some of my new lights (picture heavy) and quick first impressions of them here: https://budgetlightforum.com/node/77180

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