Is flashlight an effective tool for self defense?

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Bottom line, if you want to be save, you need a better weapon than the enemy.

In the 1970’s cops were complaining that they are at a disadvantage because they carry revolvers while the “bad guys” carried semi-auto’s.

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Well buy a double-barrel shotgun and if there’s ever a problem then fire two blasts.

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Yeah ditch the AAA strobe light with funky UI that will send you all over the place…get an AR or the civilian version of the MP-5, step forth & fear no evil.

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Yeah ditch the AAA strobe light with funky UI that will send you all over the place…get an AR or the civilian version of the MP-5, step forth & fear no evil.

Why not M60 and stuff that in your glove department or under your seat. Bigger the better, right? Don’t forget night vision stuff, tracer bullets and body armor. Gotta remember that you are going road tripping in a country that seems dangerous as Somalia or Latin America, get your guns ready or you won’t survive. LOL

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For non lethal protection I would suggest pepper spray. Bear size can is best.

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6-cell Maglight used to be quite effective.

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If you're already concerned about being hijacked while sleeping then my guess is that sleeping in your car isn't a wise move  .

As far as what to buy and why ...go with the basics . High cri  a decent amount of throw /18650 rechargeable via usb port etc . A good flashlight will probably deter more than save your life . Rats generally scatter when the lights come on. If someone seeks to wake then rob you ..you already have real problems since it takes a special kind of crazy to engage an unknown individual asleep or otherwise .Your odds of needing a weapon to protect yourself are about 600,000 to one .  Simply parking in a better well lit location probably makes the chances of being attacked 20 times less likely . remember too that if you're robbed while sleeping in your car ...you probably have nothing to lose anyway . Get a nice flashlight so you can show them plainly that you have nothing they want and that you're as broke as they are ... Worse case scenario maybe gift them the light .

 

  People concerned with self defense aren't the ones usually looking for a fight .Using a flashlight in strobe mode on a person who's already considering doing you bodily injury is like Texas Shooter said just going to give them justification in their own insane mind as to why you actually did deserve a good arse kicking . ..might as well rob you too since you were asking for it.

 Self defense is best left to those who think they can easily take out the assailant. Arguing with him will always be less effective than knocking him out .Dancing around him /lighting candles /sacrificing chickens and invoking Voodoo curses won't be as effective as shooting him in the kneecap ...Blinding him momentarily with a flashlight could be effective if it's going to be followed up by 27,000 volts to the groin .  

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The OP went missing. As many times as this subject comes up I’m starting to smell a rat.

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Or just wear The Suit Of Many Hooks, following the example of the Wily Porcupine.

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The best way to not get yourself in a dangerous situation is to avoid it . Sleeping in a car is asking for trouble in these days that we live in.

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Boaz wrote:

  People concerned with self defense aren’t the ones usually looking for a fight .Using a flashlight in strobe mode on a person who’s already considering doing you bodily injury is like Texas  Lumens said just going to give them justification in their own insane mind as to why you actually did deserve a good arse kicking . ..might as well rob you too since you were asking for it.

I am not Texas Lumens, I have never meet the man. But I understand he is a much nicer, wiser and smarter person then myself. Not the first time on the confusion. For our non Texas, non USA members. Violent crime in the States is greatly inflated by a few large cities out of control. New York, Chicago, Detroit to name a few. Get out of those areas the people are much more civil. I’ve been in law enforcement for 27 years now. You would be surprised how many times while helping a broken down motorist someone slows down and offers something to drink. Given a sandwich some of my craziest homeless will sit down and tell you how life has been lately. Some are just really crazy and if harmful to themselves or others I drive them to the county hospital for care. When I see them later many apologize for their behavior and tell me how life is going now. What drives us drives most in the world; family, friends, faith, good food, flashlights. This thread is soo far off that I don’t mind digressing more. When eating in uniform an old beaten van stops, out gets four kids, mom and dad. Waiter/owner said my meal was paid for. Made me want to cry, I paid for their meal and left before they found out. They told me “thank you for your service and God bless you” as I left. We have a lot of foreigners, most are very conservative and religious. They tell me stories about where they came from and how much freedom they now have here. Many more stories most good, some not so. I get sent out to the problems so I tend to see more negative. Yes, I carry a gun every where. No, I’ve never shot anyone. Pepper spray is close to a liquid hammer and leaves an invisible UV dye on them for a few days.

Back to whats left of the topic. Use the right tools for the right job. Flashlight for light. Pepper spray for defense. Improvise if you must. Brain for knowing when and where.

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Nobody’s mentioned the car.

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Have a flashlight, have pepper spray, have a stun gun if you wish, have a gun also. Don’t forget a knife as a very last resort.

Know how to use them all OR don’t take them with you.

HOPEFULLY… you will not need any of them… chances are you will not.

BUT, IF it comes down to it… It is much better to have it and not need it than to need it and NOT HAVE IT.

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there are flashlights with high voltage shocker bezels

but the light part is terrible, if the shocker was just as bad it would be hopeless.

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wle wrote:
... ... ... if the shocker was just as bad it would be hopeless.
"Police deployed stun guns, because pepper spray proved to be ineffective."  "Police deployed tasers, because stun guns  proved to be ineffective." "Police were forced to discharge their firearms, because tasers proved to be ineffective."

 

We see such content printed in news stories regularly. There is one main variable. Is it a determined attack? If yes, sensory aversion stimuli are useless.

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You need to have lights with you. If somebody is advancing and you suspect they’re going to do you harm, hitting them with a light may buy you a couple of seconds at best. Any and everybody’s natural reaction will be to put a hand up to block the light from the eyes but they will still be able to advance and see your body from the waist down. It’s no different than driving into a setting or rising Sun. You put the visor down or you put your hand up and you block the light and you keep driving.

You can't compare the big flashlight in the sky to the little flashlight in your hand.

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“I’ll be driving cross country and plan to sleep in my car during the trip. If I were threaten by shady character in the dark of night, would a good flashlight’s turbo mode (or strobe mode) effective enough to disorient the attacker, affording me a little time to get away from the situation?”

If ya gotta sleep in yer car (and who hasn’t….:)), at least sleep in the driver’s seat with yer windows rolled up, doors locked, butt most importantly have da keys already in the ignition.

So…..if you’re already in the car stay put in the car. Hopefully soon doing 90 per. LOL

Common sense tends to go a long ways in just about everything in Life.

Butt yeah, a sturdy heffty metallic flash IS a weapon if need be IF ya got nothin’ else. The blinding part cood (BIG unlikely cood) buy time butt rapidly and yet smoothly (smooth is fast) turning that ignition switch is MOST likely yer best move. Practice this scenario at least mentally before falling asleep so it comes to you even if he loudly busts out a window.

The accelerator is yer best friend here.

Remember you’re essentially cornered/trapped in that vehicle. Shocked He’s (or they) free to move all around you. It’ll be REAL tuff to “blind” him much less through reflective/diffusing windows. The only person yer gonna blind is yerself. Becuz of these immutable facts he has by FAR the greatest advantage over you.

Git movin’. Thumbs Up

PS. Pre-plan how you will park. Git dam aware of your immediate surroundings. Think like him and watt he’s looking for. Always try to leave a way to motor exit. Don’t park between cars for example. So watt this obviously means is carefully choose where you’ll park up first.

PSS. Don’t forget a long press on that horn if ya have any doubts on who’s approaching you, hear voices, wakes ya up strange noises, etc. (Then press twice for the next pulse horn mode…..) LOL Shocked

PSSS. Don’t ever roll down a window even for watt you think is just a “little bit” to better determine watts just now going on. Have no “cracks” in your quasi-armored vehicle as it were.

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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My acebeam L19 green saved me from tresspassers. I caught two people sneaking into my back yard at 1am and so I turboed them with 570k candela in the face and they ran away.

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BoringHuman wrote:
My acebeam L19 green saved me from tresspassers. I caught two people sneaking into my back yard at 1am and so I turboed them with 570k candela in the face and they ran away.
They likely would have reacted mostly the same way if it had been a keychain light or by singing “Happy Birthday To You” with your best Marilyn Monroe impersonation. Although the acebeam probably got them to run a little faster and a little further.

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nottawhackjob wrote:
“I’ll be driving cross country and plan to sleep in my car during the trip. If I were threaten by shady character in the dark of night, would a good flashlight’s turbo mode (or strobe mode) effective enough to disorient the attacker, affording me a little time to get away from the situation?”

If ya gotta sleep in yer car (and who hasn’t…. Beer :)), at least sleep in the driver’s seat with yer windows rolled up, doors locked, butt most importantly have da keys already in the ignition.

So…..if you’re already in the car stay put in the car. Hopefully soon doing 90 per. LOL

Common sense tends to go a long ways in just about everything in Life.

Butt yeah, a sturdy heffty metallic flash IS a weapon if need be IF ya got nothin’ else. The blinding part cood (BIG unlikely cood) buy time butt rapidly and yet smoothly (smooth is fast) turning that ignition switch is MOST likely yer best move. Practice this scenario at least mentally before falling asleep so it comes to you even if he loudly busts out a window.

The accelerator is yer best friend here.

Remember you’re essentially cornered/trapped in that vehicle. Shocked He’s (or they) free to move all around you. It’ll be REAL tuff to “blind” him much less through reflective/diffusing windows. The only person yer gonna blind is yerself. Becuz of these immutable facts he has by FAR the greatest advantage over you.

Git movin’. Thumbs Up

PS. Pre-plan how you will park. Git dam aware of your immediate surroundings. Think like him and watt he’s looking for. Always try to leave a way to motor exit. Don’t park between cars for example. So watt this obviously means is carefully choose where you’ll park up first.

PSS. Don’t forget a long press on that horn if ya have any doubts on who’s approaching you, hear voices, wakes ya up strange noises, etc. (Then press twice for the next pulse horn mode…..) LOL Shocked

PSSS. Don’t ever roll down a window even for watt you think is just a “little bit” to better determine watts just now going on. Have no “cracks” in your quasi-armored vehicle as it were.

This sounds like a good plan but staying in a cheap hotel, being able to use a proper bathroom and shower is a bit more attractive.

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nottawhackjob wrote:
If ya gotta sleep in yer car (and who hasn't.... Beer :)), at least sleep in the driver's seat with yer windows rolled up, doors locked, butt most importantly have da keys already in the ignition.

  WRONG  !!!!

 

Don't ever sleep in your car with the keys in the ignition ....

 

the above comment by notawhackjob is really,really BAD advice .   

  The act of sleeping it off // while having keys in the ignition ...is like writing yourself a DUI .

 

 Trust me on this one .I know someone who got a Public Intox. for sleeping in his car and was told later that .. " it's a good thing the keys weren't in the ignition or it would have been an automatic  DUI ". Laws are different everywhere and some much harsher . asleep in a car drunk  in some states  no matter where your keys are is a DUI .

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Boaz wrote:

 


nottawhackjob wrote:
If ya gotta sleep in yer car (and who hasn’t…. Beer :)), at least sleep in the driver’s seat with yer windows rolled up, doors locked, butt most importantly have da keys already in the ignition.

  WRONG  !!!!


 


Don’t ever sleep in your car with the keys in the ignition ….


 


the above comment by notawhackjob is really,really BAD advice .   


  The act of sleeping it off // while having keys in the ignition …is like writing yourself a DUI .


 


 Trust me on this one .I know someone who got a Public Intox. for sleeping in his car and was told later that .. “ it’s a good thing the keys weren’t in the ignition or it would have been an automatic  DUI “. Laws are different everywhere and some much harsher . asleep in a car drunk  in some states  no matter where your keys are is a DUI .

ABSOLUTELY AGREE. It wood be BAD ADVICE. I’ll remove the Beer . I just said that as to why anyone would havta sleep in their car jokingly butt as you say if you’ve Beer DON’T DO THAT. LOL

Otherwise if ya haven’t been Beer then it’s ok to leave keys in the ignition. If a cop sees ya sleeping in a car no matter watt (keys or no keys in ignition) you’re still gittin’ sobriety tested anyway. Keys in the ignition tho’ will likely make the test more “vigorous”. Gotta weigh the pros and cons here depending on your situation.

PS. Which brings up an interesting twist. With newer cars having the option of keyless ignitions a cop finds ya asleep anywhere in the vehicle (maybe even in the trunk Shocked ) and you’ve been Beer you’re likely gettin’ a DUI. Watts good for DUI in one state is prolly now likely to be blanket good in all states in context with that technological advancement. The modern moral of this story thus becomes even WITHOUT keys in the ignition and you’ve been Beer you’re likely gettin’ a DUI. Ya know they gotta level the playin’ field. Why should keyless car owners get a Beer pass? LOL Shocked

PSS. There very well could be an unfortunate time, (car breaks down in the middle of nowhere and ya don’t have cell service, etc.) when ya gotta sleep in your car. Watt I’ve said above still applies as to the accelerator being yer best friend in that situation.

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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My state public intox is harder than a DWI to reach. For a DWI use must be in a running car and suffer only one of the three. Blood alcohol over 0.8, or loss of mental faculties or physical faculties. In a public intox you can be all three and not meet the standard needed. In Texas a public intox is when you have become a danger to yourself or others. I have heard of a man sleeping in his car with his foot on the accelerator burning up the motor. So sleep in the back or passenger side. No open containers, no drinking no problem on the DWI side. Of course always to just drink in strict moderation while using a rolling home will save you the hassles.

This thread is so off topic now it probably just needs to fade away. Original poster has had no further input or questions. Probably on the cooking forums asking if any foods have any self defense value.

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“My state public intox is harder than a DWI to reach. For a DWI use must be in a running car and suffer only one of the three. Blood alcohol over 0.8, or loss of mental faculties or physical faculties.”…..

Point being ultimate results vary state-to-state and testing the nuances is kinda risky, no? LOL Then there’s the intangibles; a LEO’s particular mood that day, your attitude, condition of yer car helping pre-determine perceptions of guilt, etc. Good luck with that reality roulette wheel.

I don’t think this thread “needs” a fade out. One cood say that about any other off-topic trending thread. Threads completely staying on topic is preferred butt sometimes things are learned that wouldn’t otherwise be brought out. Food cooking forums analogy doesn’t jibe. The first-time OP had a seemingly to some stubid question concerning using a flash as a weapon. Which in fact they swingingly can be butt watt makes them likely an ineffective deterrent emitting-wise from inside a vehicle notwithstanding. Grad A flash has to know its limitations. LOL
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“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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I guess I have been lucky. I have slept in my car for a few/several hours on many ocassions through the years when driving on a long trip & getting tired.

I would stop either at an Interstate Rest Area, top of an Interstate On Ramp, or a Gas Station/Convenience Store.

Keys always in ignition & .45 close at hand. Wink

Police have checked on me a few times & a sobriety test was never even mentioned.

I guess it depends on location & the officer who checks on you.

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ShyOne wrote:
I guess I have been lucky. I have slept in my car for a few/several hours on many ocassions through the years when driving on a long trip & getting tired.

I would stop either at an Interstate Rest Area, top of an Interstate On Ramp, or a Gas Station/Convenience Store.

Keys always in ignition & .45 close at hand. Wink

Police have checked on me a few times & a sobriety test was never even mentioned.

I guess it depends on location & the officer who checks on you.

Ya know that wood be a great answer to a LEO.

“Sir, why are you sleeping in the car?”

“Well officer I was getting tired and I didn’t want to risk falling asleep at the wheel”.

Sounds like watt a good law-abiding citizen wood say. Thumbs Up

Watt could he say?……

“Get out of the car, turn around with your hands behind your head and spread em’!!!!! You’re under suspicion of driving under the influence of potentially snoring, Mr.!!!” LOL Shocked

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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EXACTLY…. ✅ Wink Big Smile

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I heard (from a lawyer, no less) about a case where a guy was working on his car in his driveway with the car up on blocks, but had a few b33rs and was charged with DUI. I could never find a cite to that specific case, but did some poking around, and it is possible.

https://www.goinglawfirm.com/dui-myths-misconceptions/

Depends on the state and how the law’s written, but in quite a few states, yes indeedy. “Locking” the keys in the trunk where you have to crawl through the folded-down rear seat, etc., don’t cut it. The car could be out of gas, immobilised with a boot, up on blocks, etc., and if you’re still “in physical control of the vehicle” and buzzed, you’re guilty.

Strobing the cop and trying to get away are generally Not Recommended.

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Lightbringer wrote:
I heard (from a lawyer, no less) about a case where a guy was working on his car in his driveway with the car up on blocks, but had a few b33rs and was charged with DUI. I could never find a cite to that specific case, but did some poking around, and it is possible.

https://www.goinglawfirm.com/dui-myths-misconceptions/

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w0w… Completely UNBELIEVABLE!!! Facepalm

Talk about a screwed up “legal system”… Common Sense has left the buiding. Shocked Facepalm Sad

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Hello everyone, OP here.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I appreciate all your comments, … some make me laugh out loud, all good fun, some make me think, some point out things I haven’t thought of. I feel very welcome here.

Thanks to you, I have realized that a flashlight is probably best used as intended (a light source) with no extra duty or expectation.

My use case has then become much simpler. I just want to have quality bright light while car camping out in the boonies (mainly national parks and forests).

What a journey it has been in the last few days. I went from complete ignorance of flood/throw, Lumen/CRI, Andúril, etc. to having a rudimentary understanding of the topics.

Apologies for a long post/update. TLDR: I think I have found a good flashlight, almost perfect for me. Super thrilled Smile

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Realizing that it’s best to use the flashlight within the confine of its intended usage, my research has been more focused. I decided to limit my choices to only those with USB charging, so SP70, C8G, C8F, Q8 were out.

SC21 and SC31 Pro were out as well because they are on the lighter side of the Sofirn line-ups.

SP35 is interesting but at 2000 lumens, I was a bit hesitant.

SP36 Pro sounds fantastic, 8000 lumens and all, but a bit heavy at 300+ grams. So the search continued.

SP33 V3, what’s not to like? Respectable 3500 lumens, 26650 cell, light enough at 144 grams, simple UI for a beginner like me. I almost pulled the trigger and called it a day. Then I stumbled onto the topic of color temperature. More readings ensued. Afterwards, I opted to pass on the 6500K option, but unfortunately the 5000K option was not available for picking.

My last hope was the IF25A. It ticks all the boxes. Except for … turbo mode can get very hot very fast, so it can’t stay in turbo for long. Grrr! I felt exhausted and overloaded with all the information by now.

Back to square one! There is no perfect flashlight that rules them all. I went through the entire line-ups again, debating/looking for the option with the least downside for my use case. Reading and re-reading a bunch of reviews.

SP36 Pro was back in for consideration, since I figured I’m not looking for for an EDC, 300+ grams is not that big of a deal. This could be it. Hallelujah!

Only if it was that simple! I googled for more info on the SP36 Pro, and came across a discussion about CRI.

Bad news! The SP36 Pro has a weak link … low CRI.

I went back down the rabbit hole, and the hard work paid off.

In pursuit of the latest and greatest, I mistakenly discounted older versions/variations of all models. So glad I looked again and left no stone unturned. I’m now a proud owner of a Sofirn SP36 BLF Anduril 5000K (scheduled to deliver in 10-14 days). It has many things goings for it: high CRI, better emitters (Samsung LH351D) than the SP36 Pro’s; better tint options than the SP33 V3; can stay in turbo mode longer than the IF25A. Although lower lumens than the SP36 Pro (5650 vs 8000), I read that it takes 4x the lumens to double the brightness. Good trade off, all around well-balanced.

In hindsight, may be I should have gone for the 4000K. But for real, I wouldn’t know any better. I have not seen neither the 4000K nor 5000K in real life to have an opinionated preference. May be ignorance is bliss!

No matter what, there is no turning back now, I’ll learn to enjoy my new light. I hope the hype is real, and expectation will me met. Can’t wait to be blown away when it gets here. I hope it’ll knock my socks off. Well, my bar is kinda low. The only reference I have for comparison is made by a brand called “refun”, powered by 3 AAA batteries, and bought 5 years ago for $10.

My journey is far from over though. I’ll have to learn Anduril, and learn it quick. I’ll need to find a way to attach a lanyard. The para-cord solution is neat, but I’m not sure I can do a good job. I’d like to add a diffuser to turn it into a poor-man lantern, but wondering how bad would it compare to a full fledged BLF LT1.

I’m glad I have found this forum. There are a lot of knowledge and wisdom on here.

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