Armytek has a new 21700 4000-lumen headllight

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Armytek has a new 21700 4000-lumen headllight
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79 grams without battery, and kinda pricey, but it looks nice!  :THUMBS-UP:

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Wish they would have added a red LED.

Yeah.. but you can still buy a KR1vn 90sbt red + the armytek on your head so you will have white light and red light Davie

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Xhp70 will be very floody
4000L will overheat very quickly.

I think the 18650 models are a much better option for most situations.

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Pavlo wrote:
Xhp70 will be very floody
4000L will overheat very quickly.

I think the 18650 models are a much better option for most situations.

Acebeam H30 got same setup. 3 mins for 4000 lumens and constant 1000 lumens. Really awesome that is.

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Correction. Armytek WARM 3720 lumen. Nobody should be buying the cool model. I rarely need the headlight for more than a few hours so the larger size and larger battery don’t appeal to me. I’m sure in some jobs or environments you want longer run times or you don’t want to have to charge it as often. I am wondering if it’ll sustain 800+ lumens.

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Acebeam H30 got same setup. 3 mins for 4000 lumens and constant 1000 lumens. Really awesome that is.

yeah but only 5000K and 6500K option Sick

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Acebeam H30 got same setup. 3 mins for 4000 lumens and constant 1000 lumens. Really awesome that is.

yeah but only 5000K and 6500K option Sick

Main led is easy to swap. Auxes are harder, components on the other side of pcb.

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I just keep coming back to the old line in the song “hold your head up”. Some 18650 lights are heavy enough for long duration, I can’t imagine a 21700 headlamp being comfortable.

EDC rotation:
FW1A, LH351D 4000k (second favorite)
FW3A, LH351D 3500k
FW3A, SST20 FD2 4000k
FW3A, Nichia 4000k sw40 r9080 (favorite light!)
FW3A, Cree XP-L Hi 5A3
Emisar D4V2, SST20 4000k
S2+, XM-L2 T6 4C

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4000lm?

How long can you wear it before branding the Armytek logo into your forehead? LOL

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Oli wrote:
Correction. Armytek WARM 3720 lumen. Nobody should be buying the cool model. I rarely need the headlight for more than a few hours so the larger size and larger battery don’t appeal to me. I’m sure in some jobs or environments you want longer run times or you don’t want to have to charge it as often. I am wondering if it’ll sustain 800+ lumens.

When we were building out house I ran into many times where I needed 3 18650 batteries to finish the work. Under the house running black pipe. Same running water lines. Same running electricity. Same during floor insulation. Same running wires and insulation in attic.

Also times where I had to work on vehicles after work. Gets dark early here in winter time.

I guess you could just carry extra 18650s in your pocket like I did. Usually I just switch headlamps to a fresh charged lamp. I have about 10 headlamps.

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MoreLumens wrote:
Pavlo wrote:
Xhp70 will be very floody
4000L will overheat very quickly.

I think the 18650 models are a much better option for most situations.

Acebeam H30 got same setup. 3 mins for 4000 lumens and constant 1000 lumens. Really awesome that is.

Yep you are right. Ace only gave you 50L red, no firefly. Also same for green. Not sure why manuf’s cant get it right. If using red victim is trying to save eyes for night viz. User does NOT want turbo red, user wants firfly red .3L.

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Well…I like the concept. Especially in light of 21700 being a format on the edge of development, still.

If, after turbo time it can sustain nearly 1000 lumens then that’s worth something.

Will wait until sustainable lumens tests are done and decide.

Didn’t buy the C2 since already had the previous generation of latest wizards, but am tempted by this light.

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idahofarmer wrote:
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Pavlo wrote:
Xhp70 will be very floody
4000L will overheat very quickly.

I think the 18650 models are a much better option for most situations.

Acebeam H30 got same setup. 3 mins for 4000 lumens and constant 1000 lumens. Really awesome that is.

Yep you are right. Ace only gave you 50L red, no firefly. Also same for green. Not sure why manuf’s cant get it right. If using red victim is trying to save eyes for night viz. User does NOT want turbo red, user wants firfly red .3L.

Well green is kinda useless, I got red+Nichia and for that it’s spot on lumens level. For red, could be less, but floody beam helps a bit. Don’t really use that much, but yeah room for improvement. Still looking that perfect headlamp.

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The regular 18650 wizard with xhp50 has more throw at half the lumens.

Since eyes adjust and perceive light against intensity, you will need to run this model twice as bright as the regular 18650 wizard to perceive light more or less equal in brightness.

Taking the above into consideration, the 21700 added capacity will be depleted faster than the 18650 at an equivalent intensity.

I think this model will be useful because one would want floodier than the xhp50 version. I personally find the 18650 xhp50 already too floody, and usually use my Skilhunt h04 moded with quad e17a because it has a more useful beam with added intensity, and still plenty of flood.

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Lightbringer wrote:
4000lm?

How long can you wear it before branding the Armytek logo into your forehead? LOL

Lol, also, isn’t there a radiation factor? I mean, it’s pretty much an inch from your brain.

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MoreLumens wrote:
idahofarmer wrote:
MoreLumens wrote:
Pavlo wrote:
Xhp70 will be very floody
4000L will overheat very quickly.

I think the 18650 models are a much better option for most situations.

Acebeam H30 got same setup. 3 mins for 4000 lumens and constant 1000 lumens. Really awesome that is.

Yep you are right. Ace only gave you 50L red, no firefly. Also same for green. Not sure why manuf’s cant get it right. If using red victim is trying to save eyes for night viz. User does NOT want turbo red, user wants firfly red .3L.

Well green is kinda useless, I got red+Nichia and for that it’s spot on lumens level. For red, could be less, but floody beam helps a bit. Don’t really use that much, but yeah room for improvement. Still looking that perfect headlamp.


I find that the red isn’t bright enough on most headlamps – usually around 5 lumen. Would like to see a T shaped head lamp with at least 30lm Red, plus an efficient high CRI main emitter such as a LH351D.
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In what situation would you use Red instead of white above 5 lumens?

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Bugs white vs red. https://youtu.be/k-gbmE0_TdQ Bugs, fog,mist,rain,snow are all good uses for red. But not just a little low lumen red like for map reading. Recently released. Wizard C2 WR available in white and warm. The original Wizard WR was only about a year old. I don’t see that this new big one needs red as is as it’s already going to be sold in smaller numbers.
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https://youtu.be/k-gbmE0_TdQ Bugs, fog,mist,rain,snow. Recentlyy released. Wizard C2 WR available in white and warm. The original Wizard WR was only about a year old. I don’t see that this new big one needs red as is as it’s already going to be sold in smaller numbers.

Very cool, thank you for sharing

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Bugs white vs red. https://youtu.be/k-gbmE0_TdQ Bugs

This is one reason why my WR is my main light for hiking and other outdoor activities.

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I don’t see that this new big one needs red as is as it’s already going to be sold in smaller numbers.

This is also a “Pro” and they’ve never done a WR Pro, probably due to the extra complications that multiple emitters would create for the UI. That said, if they did a C2 WR Max or even a C2 WR Nichia, I would probably buy it. I don’t see enough reason to upgrade from the WR to the C2 WR though. I doubt the WR Nichia will ever happen, though the Max could. I wouldn’t be surprised if they expand this line.

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Pavlo wrote:
In what situation would you use Red instead of white above 5 lumens?

WR and C2 WR on blinking red mode make excellent rear bike lights.
I’ve got the warm in the new C2 has a nice rosy glow.
Also picked up the Pro C2 Max, warm is really nice, which throttles down visibly after 10 seconds. It is much bigger than the 18650 model.
Dwarfs my PL47.
Armytek warm lights with the bigger TIR makes for a nice headlamp.
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stephenk wrote:
MoreLumens wrote:
idahofarmer wrote:
MoreLumens wrote:
Pavlo wrote:
Xhp70 will be very floody
4000L will overheat very quickly.

I think the 18650 models are a much better option for most situations.

Acebeam H30 got same setup. 3 mins for 4000 lumens and constant 1000 lumens. Really awesome that is.

Yep you are right. Ace only gave you 50L red, no firefly. Also same for green. Not sure why manuf’s cant get it right. If using red victim is trying to save eyes for night viz. User does NOT want turbo red, user wants firfly red .3L.

Well green is kinda useless, I got red+Nichia and for that it’s spot on lumens level. For red, could be less, but floody beam helps a bit. Don’t really use that much, but yeah room for improvement. Still looking that perfect headlamp.


I find that the red isn’t bright enough on most headlamps – usually around 5 lumen. Would like to see a T shaped head lamp with at least 30lm Red, plus an efficient high CRI main emitter such as a LH351D.

You mean quad or at least triple LH351D’s? One just ain’t enough. Well even though single emitter pushing 1000 lumens is sustainable if headlamp is good enough, but still gotta have that good and useful SEVERAL THOUSAND LUMENS turbo mode.

I would just prefer H30 with triple LH351D’s or SST20’s in the middle under tir and two ramping sidelights, other 660nm red and other 219b nichia something or maybe even 219c something depending how warm main light is. Couldn’t ask more.

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Seems like it stabilizes at 900lm, not bad but it won’t throw any usable light beyond 5ft

Turbo2 4000 lm/3 h 15 min (900 lm after 50 sec)
Turbo1 1300 lm/3 h 20 min (900 lm after 12 min)

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79 grams without battery, and kinda pricey


So $1.266/gram Big Smile
Or $574.05/lb Cash

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ROYCE wrote:
Oli wrote:
Bugs white vs red. https://youtu.be/k-gbmE0_TdQ Bugs

This is one reason why my WR is my main light for hiking and other outdoor activities.

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I don’t see that this new big one needs red as is as it’s already going to be sold in smaller numbers.

This is also a “Pro” and they’ve never done a WR Pro, probably due to the extra complications that multiple emitters would create for the UI. That said, if they did a C2 WR Max or even a C2 WR Nichia, I would probably buy it. I don’t see enough reason to upgrade from the WR to the C2 WR though. I doubt the WR Nichia will ever happen, though the Max could. I wouldn’t be surprised if they expand this line.

Its not just bugs. If you need to treat your chickens at night or trim their wings or do a vet inspection. The red wont disturb them and have them flying all over kicking up poop dust you have to breather. Also if you have ever been in a coral at night working on horses or beef cattle you do NOT want to spook them with a bright white light. They can see you with red and dont spook like they do with white. First and last time I ever used white around a 900lb steer was when the animal tried to stomp my face into the ground as it got spooked. Yikes!