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Anyone do any run time test on these? Will they run on eneloops without overheating/dimming the LED?

I ran my four samples 7 hours on Eneloops. 4 hours full or near-full brightness. Visible dimming around 5-6 hours. A few lumens or less at 7 hours.
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Anyway, obviously not for serious use but definitely worth a dollar just to mess around with.

Nice breakdown, thanks for taking the time. And thanks to OP (and Snakebite) for sharing the find. Snagged 5 today while in the store on unrelated business. Glove box and junk drawer stuffers for a totally painless price. I did throw a Sofirn 18650 in one just out of curiosity. Worked fine, but obviously a little loose around the belt line. 21700 was too long, but fit diameter wise.

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TIFisher wrote:
JagerLion wrote:
xxo wrote:
Anyone do any run time test on these? Will they run on eneloops without overheating/dimming the LED?

I ran my four samples 7 hours on Eneloops. 4 hours full or near-full brightness. Visible dimming around 5-6 hours. A few lumens or less at 7 hours.
>>>>>>>>>
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Anyway, obviously not for serious use but definitely worth a dollar just to mess around with.

Nice breakdown, thanks for taking the time. And thanks to OP (and Snakebite) for sharing the find. Snagged 5 today while in the store on unrelated business. Glove box and junk drawer stuffers for a totally painless price. I did throw a Sofirn 18650 in one just out of curiosity. Worked fine, but obviously a little loose around the belt line. 21700 was too long, but fit diameter wise.

Yup, Much thanks for the info!

4 + hrs on eneloops sounds pretty good.

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Really not sure what the big deal is.
LOWES has a three pack of all metal lights for $10 they are quite decent and all metal construction. Same 3 x AAA.

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Really not sure what the big deal is. LOWES has a three pack of all metal lights for $10 they are quite decent and all metal construction. Same 3 x AAA.

You mean the ones with the off center emitter and yellow tinted beams that cost 3x as much? Oh hell yeah, stock up! Star LOL Beer

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How appropriately coincidental. One _hell_ of a reptile. PS. Speakin' of coincidences, I had a butt knot this morning. Cramp. I know, TMI. LOL :O

 

Heh.  There's a liniment for that...

Now, a too-common friend of ours locally...Crotalus horridus...did get his name for a reason.  I wish snakes fluoresced like scorpions do so you could see them at night with a good UV.  Then again, that would probably be even more unsettling than the scorps...it's incredible just how many scorpions can be scuttling around after the sun sets.  

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At the full up big box WM, not the little neighborhood, they had a huge assortment of lights from several brands, types, etc.

There was the 10-pack of aluminimun tubes AAA, but they are shorter and have a square emitter and reflector, $9.82 with batteries, but i think they will have a yellow stained beamer.

There was a 3 tubes+2 headlights pack with 15 AAA of a much longer and fatter diameter Al tube AAA light with a really long front spring, it might even hold a 20700 cell. i tested one and it has the square emitter and an annoying yellow blob on the edge of the central beam, same price as the 10-pack. Maybe useful as a host for 18650 or bigger, but the beam sux.

A USB rechargeable lithium, 750 lemons with hi and lo modes, $29. Did not test it.

Lots of bling-bling, a feast for your iballs if you don’t mind going offline shopping… LOL

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Lots of bling-bling, a feast for your iballs if you don’t mind going offline shopping… LOL

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nottawhackjob wrote:
How appropriately coincidental. One hell of a reptile. PS. Speakin’ of coincidences, I had a butt knot this morning. Cramp. I know, TMI. LOL Shocked

 


Heh.  There’s a liniment for that…

Now, a too-common friend of ours locally…Crotalus horridus…did get his name for a reason.  I wish snakes fluoresced like scorpions do so you could see them at night with a good UV.  Then again, that would probably be even more unsettling than the scorps…it’s incredible just how many scorpions can be scuttling around after the sun sets.  

Scorpions. Ah. I can tell ya some kinda horrific painful stories. Suffice to say it’s night now and I don’t wanna keep ya kiddies up and then have the boogie man ta deal with too.

Been stung TWICE the past year. Ya my friend, Mr. Silvestrii. It may be common as house flies butt its sting is A LOT worse than they let on here. Btw, the smaller the pincers the worse the sting – my unfortunate experience. Shocked

https://www.insectidentification.org/insect-description.php?identificati...

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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Scorpions. Ah. I can tell ya some kinda horrific painful stories. Suffice to say it's night now and I don't wanna keep ya kiddies up and then have the boogie man ta deal with too. Been stung TWICE the past year. Ya my friend, Mr. Silvestrii. It may be common as house flies butt its sting is A LOT worse than they let on here. Btw, the smaller the pincers the worse the sting - my unfortunate experience. Shocked https://www.insectidentification.org/insect-description.php?identification=California-Common-Scorpion[/quote]

Ouch...none for me yet but I've known several who got zapped.  Just let them keep tagging you...eventually you'll build up immunity.  Smile 
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“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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LOL Cash There’s one born every minute…

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LOL Cash There’s one born every minute…

Note the changes to my signature. The OT 50L is the Reference Standard for determining TCR. If a particular flash demonstrates any TCR flaw then the highest rating it can reach is 9.5. For every TCR flaw the rating is adjusted downward by .5 in the 1-10 scale.

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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The Dollar Tree light I reviewed four years ago, with a whopping 8 lumens out the front.

 

https://budgetlightforum.com/node/66837

 

 

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i doubt the ot50l is much of a reference standard for anything.
as i noted earlier the color rendering is beat by the ebay 5mm leds.
and i doubt those are the best.

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nottawhackjob wrote:

Note the changes to my signature.

Thanks for shorten it. Much appreciated.

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The Ozark Trail OT 50L flashlight has been given a TCR rating of ‘10’

Has been given… Big Smile

Smile, you cannot kill them all.

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Unheard wrote:
nottawhackjob wrote:

Note the changes to my signature.

Thanks for shorten it. Much appreciated.
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The Ozark Trail OT 50L flashlight has been given a TCR rating of ‘10’
Has been given… Big Smile

Have you and snakebit bought one?

No, right?

Butt ya come on here like ya know from firsthand experience. Facepalm

PS. I removed “has been given” and replaced it with “has a”.

Thx for pointing that out. Semantics can be important to some that like ta nitpick so that they can appear superior. Shocked

PSS. Snakebit apparently has bought one so I stand corrected. He sez that some 9 led ebay high CRI flash beats it like a red-head stepchild. I’d have to know exactly which e-bay 9 led this is, buy one, and then compare the two.

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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i doubt the ot50l is much of a reference standard for anything. as i noted earlier the color rendering is beat by the ebay 5mm leds. and i doubt those are the best.

How about removing all doubt by investing a $1.00? LOL Shocked Then talk.

You claim it’s beat by ebay 5mm leds. Exactly watt leds I haven’t a clue. Not that it’s relevant. So again, how do you know if you haven’t bought one to compare?

PS. If ya need a $1.00 lemme know and I’ll paypal it over. Cash

PSS. Oops. Looks like it sold-out online already. Better invest that $1.00 and get that TCR Reference Standard in person. Ya don’t wanna look like yer talking outta yer, ya know watt, like a couple here. LOL

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Ozark-Trail-Single-Mini-Handheld-

PSSS. Snakebit apparently has bought one so I stand corrected. He sez that some 9 led ebay high CRI flash beats it like a red-head stepchild. I’d have to know exactly which e-bay 9 led this is, buy one, and then compare the two.

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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nottawhackjob wrote:

Have you and snakebit bought one?

No, right?

Butt ya come on here like ya know from firsthand experience.


Is that what they call jumping to conclusions?

nottawhackjob wrote:
[…] so that they can appear superior. Shocked

Come on, you know some of my postings. No chance I could trick anyone into thinking that.

Smile, you cannot kill them all.

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Unheard wrote:
nottawhackjob wrote:

Have you and snakebit bought one?

No, right?

Butt ya come on here like ya know from firsthand experience.


Is that what they call jumping to conclusions?
nottawhackjob wrote:
[…] so that they can appear superior. Shocked
Come on, you know some of my postings. No chance I could trick anyone into thinking that.

Well, are you gonna walk the talk or not?

PS. Snakebit apparently has bought one so I stand corrected. He sez that some 9 led ebay high CRI flash beats it like a red-head stepchild. I’d have to know exactly which e-bay 9 led this is, buy one, and then compare the two.

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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Read earlier in the thread and you will remember that snake already tested this light.

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nottawhackjob wrote:
Well, are you two gonna walk the talk or not?

I don’t own this light, and never said I do.

How about you starting with a range of LEDs you own and tell us the corresponding TCR values? Might be interesting to correlate nawj-TCRs with CRI.

Smile, you cannot kill them all.

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Read earlier in the thread and you will remember that snake already tested this light.

Ok. That’s his opinion. I think he’s wrong. Unless he got an anomaly then he’s right. LOL

PS. Do ya mean this “test”? Doesn’t look like much of a test to me. LOL

https://budgetlightforum.com/node/72066

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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Unheard wrote:
nottawhackjob wrote:
Well, are you two gonna walk the talk or not?

I don’t own this light, and never said I do.

How about you starting with a range of LEDs you own and tell us the corresponding TCR values? Might be interesting to correlate nawj-TCRs with CRI.

Ya know it’s coincidentally funny ya mention this. I have a LOT of flashes. Plenty of them old-school. One of those old-schools is a completely stock Trustfire X8 with an XML-T6.

By today’s standards a supposed joke, right? Almost ancient. LOL

Well as I woke up this early dark morning due to one of my property sensor alarms going off. I grab the X8 and start walking the 5 acres. I keep flashes handy all over the place so first come first served.

Geez. As I’m lighting things up everywhere I noticed how perfect the TCR on this thing is. Every color and its variation is a 10. Amazing? IDK. It just is. Just like the OT 50L.

Go figure. Smile

PS. Ok ya don’t own the light. Right there ya gotta stop. Why are you involved here? Don’t twist things back to me. Ya talk like yer giving an accurate assessment of its TCR performance. How is that logically possible?

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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SB did a buy and test in 2020, if it was this one, then it isn’t the same as the 2021 version. This one doesn’t look the same: the marking on the tube uses a big dot or dash and the “L” is written with a hollow letter versus a solid letter in the ’21 version. The new ones don’t have the orange washer. This one also appears to have several 5mm emitters versus a single round emitter in the ’21. And the ’21 tail cap design is different, less taper and longer grooves.

2021

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I did test the color rendering on the ot50l compared to several common leds.
That it is beat by the ebay leds should give you an idea.
I didnt even have to haul out a 219b sw45 to compare.
The ebay leds are used in photographic light panels.
The ot50l is designed to be cheap.
Huge sample to sample variations are the norm with cheap stuff.
Like i said its usable.

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nottawhackjob wrote:
Ya talk like yer giving an accurate assessment of its TCR performance.

Where? I said nothing about this light, at least, I didn’t meant to. Sorry if any of my postings were confusing.

What is it good for in this context in the first place? You already named sunlight as your reference. Now you exclude users from this discussion if they don’t own this budget light. Is that reasonable? Thus far, I seem to be the only one taking you half-serious, so be kind please Big Smile .

About your experience with the XM-L: I agree that LEDs from the post angry-blue era are very convincing. I even like to take something like a CW XHP70 light with me, and it’s fully sufficient to tell blue from green from red.

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Don’t twist things back to me.

But I do. And if you refuse to invest some time to investigate your own idea, why should anyone else? Do yourself a favour and let your TCR standard shine onto your hands. Then do the same under sunlight. I have never seen this this light, but I bet you’ll have to subtract some points.

@kennybobby, sorry for OT. If it’s not ok, I’ll delete my postings.

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@Unheard, No problem, it’s all good. Free, Fair and Open discussions help get to the best answers and solutions.

i like to challenge and test my assumptions and beliefs about things that i think i know to make sure that i’m not fooling myself.

p.s. i did your sunlight test on the back of my hands. The colors look to be the same to me, but it’s hard to beat the intensity of old Sol with a 50 Lemon beater. So i tried it in the shade and in indirect sunlight from ambient reflections and scattering, so the intensity was less. Same trueness to the coloring. Direct sun is almost too intense and overwhelms the eyeballs.

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I did test the color rendering on the ot50l compared to several common leds. That it is beat by the ebay leds should give you an idea. I didnt even have to haul out a 219b sw45 to compare. The ebay leds are used in photographic light panels. The ot50l is designed to be cheap. Huge sample to sample variations are the norm with cheap stuff. Like i said its usable.

Kinda some blanket statements here. You don’t know if the OT 50L has a lot of sample variations just becuz it’s cheap. You assume it’s a blanket-wide norm through experience with other cheap lights. Can’t argue with watt ya know. Ya know watt ya know and that’s that. However this isn’t another run of the mill cheap light. Butt you do say it’s ‘usable’ so we have that.

It doesn’t give me a real world idea becuz that’s not watt my eyes and others tell. It is watt it is. The OT 50L is plenty good enuff for purposes of subjective TCR. Subjective TCR is better supported only through consensus. That’s the only way subjective analysis of anything gets reasonably deserved credence. It may not be scientifically measured as perfect but neither are your references. Nothing is. For a purely hypothetical example, IF it averages over a broad sampling at 99.2% CRI device measured accurate and IF your references are 99.7% accurate this still isn’t enuff of a difference to discount it as a standard. The average human eye will not discern these differences just like measuring lumens by sight only. A calibrated measuring device will. Again those minute differences in reality has little to do with TCR reality.

I hope we don’t expect too much doing these comparisons. As the saying goes, “Expectation is the mother of all frustration.” We don’t need to get frustrated here.

Anyway, Sb, you, and Kennyrobby deserve a BIG kudos for finding it (and its earlier variations) and following through with it here for the new and improved 2021 version. I certainly appreciate it. I think many others will too. You all started it.

At $1.00, it’s a bargain. As a TCR Standard Reference, a widely available SUPER bargain. And I hope lot’s of folks invest $1.00 to see exactly watt I’m talking about.

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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