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Isn’t this at least the second or third time? I remember being on CPF then years later it was totally changed and I had to re-register and it just wasn’t ass good as it was before (they even switched bb’s. Think it happened a third time. But the original CPF was great.

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Isn’t this at least the second or third time? I remember being on CPF then years later it was totally changed and I had to re-register and it just wasn’t ass good as it was before (they even switched bb’s. Think it happened a third time. But the original CPF was great.

You’ve been here for one day and you’re wondering why CPF is in trouble?

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I’m still there, after 15 years. I never had trouble but I can see how some might. It’s still a nostalgic trip for me as it’s where my hobby started. I did most of my reviews there too. But unfortunately it’s a bit of a shell now. Still nice to visit but not a place to hang out a lot.

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CPF looks uglier than before, and still on downhill route.

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One really positive thing i see is ability to upload pics, former pic posting policy was PIA.

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oh come on, it’s much better now.
The old forum was very slow and 1990-looking, and lacking a lot of basic functionality from newer forums.

This forum is on the same path as well.
It still uses Drupal 7 which had end-of-life like 15 years ago, with some forum module that is likely not maintained anymore, that’s why an upgrade would require programming work.
And even the latest Drupal is on the path to its death, along with PHP hopefully. We have multicore processors for years. These outdated languages were made for single-cpu, single-thread era. There are modern languages that natively support multi-threading, and with a much better syntax as well.

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These outdated languages were made for single-cpu, single-thread era. There are modern languages that natively support that, and with a much better syntax as well.

For websites multithreading is not necessary. Makes more sense for backend services. But websites have a lot of parallel requests. Webservers usually work with a worker thread pool accepting the requests and delegating the script execution to another thread pool that runs the php processes and does all the work. So even with “outdated php” you have most of the benefits of parallel execution.
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Websites are not just ‘websites’ anymore.
It’s true that you only need it for the back-end (doh), but what it is more efficient, to spawn a PHP process for each visitor from Apache, php-fpm or whatever, and run out of memory after 100 concurrent visits, or handle this efficiently in the language itself ?
And what if you need to do some image processing, its not uncommon for people to upload images. Wouldn’t it be better to be able to have full control over that in the most efficient way?

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run out of memory after 100 concurrent visits

No idea what infrastructure sb is using but autoscaling is so easy today that running out of memory should only happen when you run out of money

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kat wrote:
This forum is on the same path as well. It still uses Drupal 7 which had end-of-life like 15 years ago, with some forum module that is likely not maintained anymore

This is blatant misinformation. Please stop with the uninformed speculation. The most recent release of Drupal 7.x was 10 days ago, and I patched BLF with the update on the same day that it came out. And before that the previous release of Drupal 7.x was on 2021-06-02, in fact that’s why BLF usually goes offline for a few minutes on Wednesdays while I apply updates on Drupal’s normal maintenance release cadence:
https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/releases/
The forum functionality used here is an official, core module in Drupal 7. And then I use another module to add additional functionality and theming called Advanced Forum, which is also supported by the official Drupal security team (confirm that by mousing over the shield icon on its project page).

kat‘s comments on PHP are also either uninformed or disingenuous. SammysHP‘s explanation is the correct one. BLF uses the industry standard software stack for higher performance websites, with Nginx and PHP-FPM (both having multiple worker processes), plus the core PHP opcache, Redis cache, and a static HTML cache for anonymous visitors. And be that what it may, kat‘s suggestion that using a PHP-based forum software somehow puts BLF at a disadvantage is ludicrous, just look at this table of the most common forum software, both open source and proprietary, and notice what 80% of them use:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software#Gene...

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Well, my bad then… I haven’t worked with Drupal in 15 years, and I was just curious about it and saw their latest major version was 9, so I assumed they let go 7.
My opinion on it, and PHP software in general stands. It’s old, inefficient software based on outdated technology that continues to survive in the same form only because many websites are unable to switch to better options for one reason or another.

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run out of memory after 100 concurrent visits

No idea what infrastructure sb is using but autoscaling is so easy today that running out of memory should only happen when you run out of money


it’s easy because it’s a trade-off, just like with everything easy.
And you are not just trading $$. You also trade control and independence
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I was somewhat active on there for several years and never had a negative experience. I know a lot of people had conflicts on there so hopefully this will be a new chapter.

I’ve just enjoyed BLF the past couple years much more and stopped visiting CPF.

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My opinion on it, and PHP software in general stands. It’s old, inefficient software based on outdated technology that continues to survive in the same form only because many websites are unable to switch to better options for one reason or another.

I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but that shouldn’t be conflated with the potential future success or downfall of any forum. What makes or breaks a forum is 1) the userbase, and 2) the moderation and administration.

Going back to software specifically for internet forums, the only modern and viable alternative on that list not based on PHP is Discourse.

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That’s not entirely true. Modern alternatives have a completely different concept, that’s why you don’t see them listed anywhere.
In the old days, someone had to build an entire app (like a forum) almost from scratch and had to write hundreds of thousands of lines of code, like the interaction with the database engine, the rendering on the user-end.
After all that work, it made sense to either sell the software or share it as open-source.

Today you build a similar app, with even more interactivity with just a few thousand lines.
You don’t need to do all that work anymore because of libraries and frameworks.
And it doesn’t make sense to sell it or share it because so little actual work is involved compared to old apps, that everyone prefers to build tailor-made apps, specific for the website on which they are intended to run

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Although I prefer BLF over CPF and that’s why I am here, we mustn’t forget the significant contributions the CPF community has made to the flashlight hobby.

This is all about the flashlights, its not the Mets vs the Yankees.

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Interesting! (Wont be going back though even if I’m not super active in here either)

I read sometimes here yes, but rarely post nowadays Smile

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Oh, just noticed I missed my own 10year party Party

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Oh, just noticed I missed my own 10year party Party
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Interesting site, cutecounter.  So if we sold BLF we could buy around 4,200 Convoy S2+ lights and distribute them to dark countries.   Smile 

Kinda sad to see that TuCows is the registrar. 

I do think Reddit and Facebook have both taken a lot of traffic.  Different platforms for different folks.  Too much chaff on Reddit (I do enjoy a few other subs there and the r/flashlight is a good place mostly).  Seems like forums in general just get a lot less participation these days.  Maybe because short text and insta-this-insta-that are about what many can handle and writing/reading are more effort (and I don’t mean that in a negative way necessarily). 


I’ve seen a number of BLF folks show up on r/flashlight, but are there some serious flashaholics there who don’t bother with BLF?
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kat wrote:
My opinion on it, and PHP software in general stands. It’s old, inefficient software based on outdated technology that continues to survive in the same form only because many websites are unable to switch to better options for one reason or another.

I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but that shouldn’t be conflated with the potential future success or downfall of any forum. What makes or breaks a forum is 1) the userbase, and 2) the moderation and administration.

Going back to software specifically for internet forums, the only modern and viable alternative on that list not based on PHP is Discourse.

Thank you, sb. It still amazes me how people feel free to render judgements based on very loose suppositions. I guess it’s that “get in a dig” thing. Anyway, these forum architectures are aging, but frankly I find BLF to be very workable, much more so than CPF. The only thing I feel missing is a LIKE button. Sometimes you want to express appreciation without having to post a reply. Also, if someone ends up doing one of those massive quoted posts, having a truncation widget with optional expand would be very nice. Some people on here, usually newbies, end up doing this—quotes a review, VERY long content, with just a “great review thanks!” reply—annoying as all get out.

Have you seen the site software in use by tenforums.com? It’s pretty good. I don’t know how to tell what BBS version it’s using, though.

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The only thing I feel missing is a LIKE button. Sometimes you want to express appreciation without having to post a reply. Also, if someone ends up doing one of those massive quoted posts, having a truncation widget with optional expand would be very nice. Some people on here, usually newbies, end up doing this—quotes a review, VERY long content, with just a “great review thanks!” reply—annoying as all get out.

Thanks xevious. A few months ago I did configure an option to limit quote nesting to 5 levels.

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Have you seen the site software in use by tenforums.com? It’s pretty good. I don’t know how to tell what BBS version it’s using, though.

Looks like vBulletin, compare the What’s Going On section at the bottom to the one here:
https://forum.vbulletin.com/
I’m personally not a fan of vBulletin, it doesn’t have a very good security history.

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sb56637 wrote:
Thanks xevious. A few months ago I did configure an option to limit quote nesting to 5 levels.
Good to know. Sounds like a sensible setting.
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I’m personally not a fan of vBulletin, it doesn’t have a very good security history.
Yeah, I know TenForums got hacked at one point a couple years back. I don’t know if it was the security weakness of vBulletin or their insufficient safeguards. Overall, the site has been pretty reliable all things considered. Btw, while you’re here… What’s the deal with quoting a post and finding it having HTML tags in it (mostly span and paragraph)? It can end up adding significant blank lines interspersed in the content, forcing me to go back and trim it. It seems to be common with certain members, like everytime I quote a post from Raccoon City. Is there a trick to responding so that HTML tags aren’t visually replicated? My editor is almost always in Simple Post editor. Would Advanced help mitigate that?

(BTW, I switched from Simple to Advanced and then back to Simple again, and paragraph tags were left behind)

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I joined CPF in 2012.It served its purpose.

However, After awhile I got sick of the EGO driven and controlling mods whose owner..Kelly was even worse.I felt like I lived in a country where the Government controlled its people.

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Agreed.

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They took the definition of moderator too far.

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Everything should be taken in moderation… including moderation. Smile

Also, thanks for running this forum SB. We appreciate all your work.

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sb56637 wrote:

The most recent release of Drupal 7.x was 10 days ago, and I patched BLF with the update on the same day that it came out.

By the way, if you want to bug sb, ask him when BLF is getting Drupal 8.

Apparently upgrading to a new version is a real pain in the neck, and I think Drupal 8 isn't really ready for primetime anyway.  :-)

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I’m a member at CPF, but never felt comfortable enough to post anything. I’ve learned a lot at CPF over the years, but haven’t been over there for quite awhile. I only have so many hours in a week for flashlights and I’ve chosen to spend my time here instead.

I’d rather use my flashlight around the house than turn on the lights.

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Because serious product reviews were a driving force to my CPF membership as a resource, once "Selfbuilt" moved on to other ventures, the standard for high quality, comprehensive reviews went with him. While there certainly is no shortage of review material available, in my opinion, none come close to that which Selfbuilt provided. So it was at that point that CPF became a less appealing resource to visit, and joining BLF made sense for my needs. Plus, SB provides a fantastic platform for the sharing of information especially everything modding related. 

If any BLF member would like design suggestions or help with tying a customized paracord lanyard or fob for use with lights & knives, please feel free to message me here.

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