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Because serious product reviews were a driving force to my CPF membership as a resource, once “Selfbuilt” moved on to other ventures, the standard for high quality, comprehensive reviews went with him. While there certainly is no shortage of review material available, in my opinion, none come close to that which Selfbuilt provided. So it was at that point that CPF became a less appealing resource to visit, and joining BLF made sense for my needs. Plus, SB provides a fantastic platform for the sharing of information especially everything modding related. 

Good point.

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If the same bunch of toss pot mods still run the place I have literally zero interest.

But better them staying over there than migrating here…

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By the way, if you want to bug sb, ask him when BLF is getting Drupal 8.


Apparently upgrading to a new version is a real pain in the neck, and I think Drupal 8 isn’t really ready for primetime anyway.

Drupal 8 was released on November 19th, 2015 Big Smile

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raccoon city wrote:

By the way, if you want to bug sb, ask him when BLF is getting Drupal 8.


Apparently upgrading to a new version is a real pain in the neck, and I think Drupal 8 isn’t really ready for primetime anyway.

Drupal 8 was released on November 19th, 2015 Big Smile

For forum duty it’s absolutely not viable yet, unfortunately.

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KnotSoMuch wrote:

Because serious product reviews were a driving force to my CPF membership as a resource, once “Selfbuilt” moved on to other ventures, the standard for high quality, comprehensive reviews went with him. While there certainly is no shortage of review material available, in my opinion, none come close to that which Selfbuilt provided. So it was at that point that CPF became a less appealing resource to visit, and joining BLF made sense for my needs. Plus, SB provides a fantastic platform for the sharing of information especially everything modding related. 

Selfbuilt was terrific. His reviews were so thorough and mostly objective. I learned a lot from him. Yeah, recent searches around didn’t turn up anything from him. You say he moved on to other ventures—do you know what they are?
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I was very young when I first joined CPF and had great time reading selfbuilt reviews (the gold standard of flashlight reviews), following FIVEMEGA mods for surefire which were my grail lights for many years even though the only surefire I finally decided to get was a hellfire 50 cal HID weapon light, and I remember drooling all over the “post your pelican case setup” thread. There was someone who ran his zebralight in the lowest moon mode for more than a year, I remember following that very closely.

The amount of high end flashlight collectors in CPF was mind blowing, but maybe a bunch of entitled folks didn’t bring the best of harmony to the forum and people like myself didn’t felt at home. I still visit from time to time but the stuff there is just outdated or repeated BLF and reddit content.

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sb56637 wrote:
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raccoon city wrote:

By the way, if you want to bug sb, ask him when BLF is getting Drupal 8.


Apparently upgrading to a new version is a real pain in the neck, and I think Drupal 8 isn’t really ready for primetime anyway.

Drupal 8 was released on November 19th, 2015 Big Smile

For forum duty it’s absolutely not viable yet, unfortunately.

Yeah, I understand. Drupal 8 is slow as snot vs 7. No idea how 9 is considering I haven’t worked with Drupal for at least 5 years.
I actually created an account to finally post here to make fun of D8. Maybe I will stop lurking now.

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You're going to love it here, SemiNormal!

I'm not sure why, but people refer to me as "Abby Normal."  :-)

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It seems to be fashionable to bash PHP just because its been so successful. The largest websites/apps in the world use PHP in some for or the other. Just look at Node JS and its pile of crap dependencies. You wake up in the middle of the night and something is broken. For the BLF use case, PHP is just perfect! The PHP speed problem was solved with PHP 7 and PHP 8. It just keeps getting faster. Multi-threading is just a buzz word.

You end up spending $$$ on some new library. Just maintaining it is hell. Successful apps are not those which are totally dependent on some library. That’s something a lazy/greedy developer would want. Build something with all those dependencies and the owner would need to throw it away after 2 years. This is typically how freelancers make money. BLF is smart to keep costs under control and stay profitable. You do that by keeping what works.

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That’s not entirely true. Modern alternatives have a completely different concept, that’s why you don’t see them listed anywhere.
In the old days, someone had to build an entire app (like a forum) almost from scratch and had to write hundreds of thousands of lines of code, like the interaction with the database engine, the rendering on the user-end.
After all that work, it made sense to either sell the software or share it as open-source.

Today you build a similar app, with even more interactivity with just a few thousand lines.
You don’t need to do all that work anymore because of libraries and frameworks.
And it doesn’t make sense to sell it or share it because so little actual work is involved compared to old apps, that everyone prefers to build tailor-made apps, specific for the website on which they are intended to run

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You can avoid dependency hell by writing your own libraries for most things.
But ask yourself the question- is it worth it?
The web is evolving very fast, and what you code today doesn’t have to work more than 2 years. Just like with modern cars. You buy one, keep it until warranty expires, then throw it away and get a new one Big Smile
It’s a waste of resources, but keeps the world turning faster and faster

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Because serious product reviews were a driving force to my CPF membership as a resource, once "Selfbuilt" moved on to other ventures, the standard for high quality, comprehensive reviews went with him. While there certainly is no shortage of review material available, in my opinion, none come close to that which Selfbuilt provided. So it was at that point that CPF became a less appealing resource to visit, and joining BLF made sense for my needs. Plus, SB provides a fantastic platform for the sharing of information especially everything modding related. 

Selfbuilt was terrific. His reviews were so thorough and mostly objective. I learned a lot from him. Yeah, recent searches around didn't turn up anything from him. You say he moved on to other ventures--do you know what they are?

It's been so long Xevious, but if I recall correctly, Selfbuilt left flashlight reviewing behind largely because the time and energy required to put together such comprehensive, high quality, technically demanding reviews, that were also understandable, was taking a toll on his health. To me, it was obvious that he was a perfectionist! So with demands for new product reviews piling up, especially from everyone wanting to see how much more Vinh could squeeze out of his Super Thrower and Lumen Monster mods, I suspect he realized he had other things he wanted to accomplish before it was too late. I do remember that one of those other things was sampling and possibly reviewing Scotch whiskeys. Cigars may have been another, though that's pure speculation. Personally, with all that he brought to the flashlight enthusiasts community, he certainly earned the opportunity to kick back while enjoying a smooth, aromatic, single malt, and perhaps a stogie. Wherever you are Selfbuilt, I do hope you're doing well and enjoying life! For those of you who don't know who Selfbuilt is, or what he brought to the flashlight enthusiast community, checkout his website for yourself by clicking on the following link, http://flashlightreviews.ca/

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KnotSoMuch wrote:

It’s been so long Xevious, but if I recall correctly, Selfbuilt left flashlight reviewing behind largely because the time and energy required to put together such comprehensive, high quality, technically demanding reviews, that were also understandable, was taking a toll on his health. To me, it was obvious that he was a perfectionist!

I wonder, and fear that others like HKJ are heading down the same path.

What he does is clearly a labor of love, with no YouTube channel or Patreon for support, just a website with no advertising and a PayPal address barely mentioned in passing at the bottom of the page.

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NeutralFan wrote:
I’m a member at CPF, but never felt comfortable enough to post anything. I’ve learned a lot at CPF over the years, but haven’t been over there for quite awhile. I only have so many hours in a week for flashlights and I’ve chosen to spend my time here instead.

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Good you are here with us NeutralFan Cool , Maybe things will improve over there. I started on CPF for a short while until finding BLF.
It is a different world here, so staying here was easier. I still go to CPF occasionally for info only, no posting.
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Bort wrote:
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I’ve loved the place since ’12, but it’s been dying on the vine since the fall of 2017. I’ve really never had a problem there, but oh well…

This place has benefited, but that place was great, although things have changed.

Time will tell.


I had found it hard to be a member there, they have so many rules that just getting approved to post was like applying for a new job and hoping you met the requirements and didn’t get booted for some arbitrary reason.
The mods would boot you for posts that didn’t meet their high standards for quality.

BLF is much more welcoming, i can ask questions with no sword of Damocles hovering over my head.


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Same experience too.
I asked questions only to be reprimanded for not researching or reading a sticky somewhere that I didn’t know existed.
The last question I asked was deleted, I felt unwelcome and unworthy.
Realized immediately this forum was NOT for newbies like me.
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But I do wish them well and hope things improve. Beer
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CNCman wrote:
Bort wrote:
ChrisGarrett wrote:
I’ve loved the place since ’12, but it’s been dying on the vine since the fall of 2017. I’ve really never had a problem there, but oh well…

This place has benefited, but that place was great, although things have changed.

Time will tell.


I had found it hard to be a member there, they have so many rules that just getting approved to post was like applying for a new job and hoping you met the requirements and didn’t get booted for some arbitrary reason.
The mods would boot you for posts that didn’t meet their high standards for quality.

BLF is much more welcoming, i can ask questions with no sword of Damocles hovering over my head.


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Same experience too.
I asked questions only to be reprimanded for not researching or reading a sticky somewhere that I didn’t know existed.
The last question I asked was deleted, I felt unwelcome and unworthy.
Realized immediately this forum was NOT for newbies like me.
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But I do wish them well and hope things improve. Beer

Not just Bort then.
What i wonder is if they have some rationale for how they treat members/newbies, is there some sort of goal they have in mind or logic/ideology behind it?

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"Terry Oregon" wrote:

Many members of BLF are former CPF refugees, including myself. I hope the change are positive. I may consider re-joining, after monitoring for a while. 

 

As others mentioned, the moderators are the problem although that was caused by the forum owner as she chose who would be a moderator. From an interaction with her, she is emotion poor/anti social just like the moderators I interacted with before I told her Spring last year to remove my account and that I would boycott CPF forever. Such people think other such people are quite reasonable and making correct judgements when in fact they do nothing of the sort. This is not just what you see on forums, but in many other places, e.g. in businesses with boards and directors having a certain similar view and appointing similar people, and getting rid of those who don't fit in. The 2 moderators I dealt with are complete morons, and anti-social/emotion poor, which means in particular that they are unable to understand normal use of language. It was interesting/useful as a psychological analysis though, which I placed on my site Smile

 

The only way this could be fixed is not just with the owner being gone, but by removing all the moderators and all power structures/rules, such as how and what to moderate, and start anew. Another possible problem: If the new owner is anything like 'Greta' then nothing will improve.

 

Why would I or anyone else waste time waiting for a positive change to happen there? Many of those who have been affected left CPF and this means the value of reading/posting there is lower than it was many years ago. Will these posters return? In any case, I won't.

 

For those who wonder want went on and possibly still goes on, here is my example: After a long time I returned briefly there last year, and I corrected a view about the important points in taillamps, and in another few postings in reply to someone looking for a lens designer I gave some information on the approval process for StVZO bike lamps. What happened:

  1. a moderator tries to correct me about taillamp (design) issues but succeeds only in showing he is autistic, doesn't actually know what impairs vision which he could have known by just doing a test at night and opening his f-ing eyes a few seconds, then made various other inane comments
  2. A 2nd one removed various posts about that approval process and comments about another manufacturer that another commenter wondered about, that were useful/interesting even for the thread starter, but the moderator there felt "It didn't add nearly as much as you thought it did to the thread.". I know exactly what I added, not just to the thread but to general information (threads are NOT just of use to the thread starters!) and just throwing that away as 'unimportant' is typical for these morons.

Just after situation 1 happened another poster sent me a PM about situation 2 in which a few of mine and his posting were removed. He didn't like what was going on but would not leave just yet. I made clear that I would not accept what was going on. Perhaps he is still there but I did read many others left CPF due to the inane moderators. The moderation issue was also what I asked the forum owner here about, right around registering, as I'm not interested in dealing with such nonsense ever again (further, I boycott any sites with too much and especially insane moderation).

 

And as to search results that the forum owner mentioned quite a while ago: for me the BLF results with duckduckgo are usually higher up than CPF... Someone I talked to a long time ago who also used this search engine that the search results are lacking, but it's good enough for me.

 

 

 

 

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That was the biggest problem there. If you asked a question that was covered in another thread, they lined up to reprimand you. How dare you post without searching first?

In all fairness, this is not only a problem on CPF. I have been on dozens of forums and the all have the same characteristics (no so much on BLF.) The members that have been on the longest and have the most posts basically think they own the place. The owner puts up with their nonsense because they supposedly bring value. Meanwhile they are really destroying the forum one post at a time. Like I said, I don’t see this destructive pattern of behavior on BLF.

For this reason, forums seem to have a finite life. The talented old school folks move on to new hobbies and the forum is left with a bunch of newbies, or as BLF refers to them: muggles.

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I joined CPF in 2012.It served its purpose.

However, After awhile I got sick of the EGO driven and controlling mods whose owner..Kelly was even worse.I felt like I lived in a country where the Government controlled its people.

I want to leave my thoughts of CPF on a positive note.

That would be because of the fine gentlemen name SB…Selfbuilt who was the highlight of my experience there.

I always looked forward to his reviews.I bought a lot of V54 lights in the beginning of my hobby. In regards to V54 lights, I believe the first V54 light he reviewed was the TK61vn then the SC200Cvn.Both of which I had.

I was fortunate to communicate with him several times outside of CPF. He was a gentle,genuine,easy going guy who was well respected and Valuable to the community.He was the HKJ of Flashlight reviews.

I donated several times to his battery fund.It made me feel good to contribute to someone who was so valuable and selfless to the community .

Once he left for his Whiskey reviews CPF was never the same.

Wherever you are SB…I hope all us well up in Canada Thumbs Up

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The PHP speed problem was solved with PHP 7 and PHP 8.

Yep, and in my experience PHP performance issues went away somewhere during the PHP 5.x lifecycle when they added the native opcache module. It makes a massive difference for repetitive procedures that run on every page, almost like running compiled binaries.

As kat mentions, frameworks are the new hotness now. In fact Drupal 8 and 9 feel much more like frameworks than an extensible turnkey CMS, which is what Drupal 6 and 7 were. I’m sure the web development frameworks are great for developers, but I am most emphatically not a developer, and even if I were, it seems insane to create a bespoke forum engine for a flashlight website. And creating it isn’t even the worst part, it’s the maintenance and staying on top of security, which in and of itself could easily turn into a full-time job.

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Regarding moderation style, the grievances that many have mentioned aren’t unique to CPF. I use Reddit when necessary but not by choice for some non-flashlight related topics. But I’ve had a terrible experience with posts being arbitrarily pulled and unreasonable egomaniac moderators. To say nothing of the up/down rating button on every post and comment that tends to favor snarky and “witty” comments over genuine and helpful users. Or, at risk of sounding like a schoolboy, they tend to be mean. That just irks me to no end, which is why the BLF Rules and my moderation style are intended as a sort of antithesis to that toxic environment. I recognize that I can’t successfully and fairly moderate all issues that come up here, and there are pros and cons with the BLF way of doing things, but those are my goals and motivations.

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You do well keeping things civil around here and at times it is not easy. Thumbs Up

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lionheart_2281 wrote:
If the same bunch of toss pot mods still run the place I have literally zero interest.

But better them staying over there than migrating here…


I feel the same way..

Greta and Hogokansatsukan have been the most abusive, insulting and disrespectful controllers I have ever met online.

I find nbp and archimedes arbitrary and impossible to reason with, I hope they retire.

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I respect the moderation attitude on BLF, and am happy to be able to participate on this forum.

Thank you for making this a safe space.

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I have been on forums where the mods jump right into the fray rather than tamp it down. Gun forums are generally like that. I have seen like buttons used to fuel arguments. Becomes a good old boys club with all the regulars piling on.

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sb56637 wrote:
Regarding moderation style, the grievances that many have mentioned aren’t unique to CPF. I use Reddit when necessary but not by choice for some non-flashlight related topics. But I’ve had a terrible experience with posts being arbitrarily pulled and unreasonable egomaniac moderators. To say nothing of the up/down rating button on every post and comment that tends to favor snarky and “witty” comments over genuine and helpful users. Or, at risk of sounding like a schoolboy, they tend to be mean. That just irks me to no end, which is why the BLF Rules and my moderation style are intended as a sort of antithesis to that toxic environment. I recognize that I can’t successfully and fairly moderate all issues that come up here, and there are pros and cons with the BLF way of doing things, but those are my goals and motivations.

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I see you do a Fantastic job here sb56637 and we are Blessed to have you moderate so patiently. Big Smile
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Multi-threading is just a buzz word.

You might want to consider asking for a refund from wherever it is you got your CS degree.

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manithree wrote:
agent80 wrote:
Multi-threading is just a buzz word.
You might want to consider asking for a refund from wherever it is you got your CS degree.

Uhhh, to be fair, I consider that to be the context it's used in, not a generalized statement.

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Multi-threading is just a buzz word.

You might want to consider asking for a refund from wherever it is you got your CS degree.

This is another nasty a*s mean-spirited BS comment that’s starting to get on my nerves around here.
The rudeness is becoming way too commonplace. Davie

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The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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comment that tends to favor snarky and “witty” comments over genuine and helpful users.

Heard someone describe this horrible trend perfectly the other day. They posited this started with John Stewart’s comedy, except he is funny and they are not.

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My breaking point with CPF was when, for the second time in a few years, I gently reminded someone of the rules and asked them politely not to post remarks that were critical of other people’s religious beliefs. To my surprise, I was attacked by the administrator/owner for what she assumed were my religious beliefs. I could not believe it at first, and thought the first time that it must have just been the result of someone having a bad day – but when it happed again, and I also saw the strident and condescending political comments of some other moderators coming up time after time, I decided it wasn’t the community for me.

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nottawhackjob wrote:
[…] nasty a*s mean-spirited BS comment […]

No matter if he’s right or wrong: Clearly yes. But he may have had a bad day thus far, so let’s just ignore it, not getting into or even igniting a flame war. That would be the best support for sb’s style of moderation.

Edit: The second-best support is Raccoons Milla pictures Love

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