What do you prefer on our M400 new model (21700 type)?

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What do you prefer on our M400 new model (21700 type)?
CREE XHP70 led, 4000 Lumens, more floody beam
42% (21 votes)
Luminus SST70 LED, 3000 Lumens, more focus beam
34% (17 votes)
Others
24% (12 votes)
Total votes: 50
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We would to do a simple survey for the M300’s brother—the M400 new model. It will be use 21700 battery. We have options hard to make a choice.
1. Use CREE XHP70 led, 4000 Lumens
2. Use Luminus SST70 LED, 3000 Lumens
Or others good options you guys may suggest.
More floody beam, or more focus beam?
Really need your help, and let us know how do you think?

(The image is M300)

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GT-FC40 (best light quality), SFT-40 (most throw) or XHP 35/35.2 HI (balance of both if you can get 80+ CRI bin)

I’ll gladly trade 33%+ output for better light quality and/or significantly higher intensity/candela.

With XHP50.3 HI and other new Cree emitters coming out I’d be hard pressed to settle for the massive angular tint deviation of XHP50.2/70.2 or the only cool white and greenish hue of SST-70.

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I fully agree with BurningPlayd0h.

My personal wishlist…

M400 (thrower style)

  • Cree XHP50.3 HI 4000K - 5000K
  • Luminus SFT70 5000K - 6500K (3000lm max)
  • Luminus SFT40 5000K - 6500K (2500lm max)
  • Luminus SST70 6500K (3000lm max)

M400 (floody style)

  • Cree XHP70.3 4000K (not available yet)
  • Cree XHP70.2 4000K (4000lm max)
  • Getian FC40 4500K 90+ CRI (2000lm max)
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I guess the MT-G2 Love is out of the question?

Quality over quantity. Innocent

 

If using SSTs/XHPs/etc., and if heat allowing, a nice TIR lens would avoid angular tint-shift from lots of LEDs.

I bet a common 26mm TIR might fit with a little persuasion.

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The light doesn't really appeal to me, but I voted for CREE XHP70 because it's a little brighter.

...

Does the CREE XHP70 produce less heat than the Luminus SST70?

If so, then there's another reason.  :THUMBS-UP:

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It’s impressive to get over 400m throw from such a small reflector, but for any appreciable illumination of the target, spill is going to suffer. What voltage and amperage will the driver be capable of supporting? I take it this is a single cell flashlight?
Unless you’re going for CSLNM1, CULPM1, or SFT40 narrow beam profiles, I’d pick XHP70… but would prefer XHP50 for the temp range.

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GT-FC40 and or XHP70.2 in the slightly rosy 5A (4000K) bin with a frosted lens for no ugly artifacts and rings in the beam.

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Please, STOP WITH XHP70.2 in a small diameter reflector!

XHP50.3HI and XHP35.2 HI in 90CRI is what can look good in this size.

 

And Skilhunt USE ORANGE PEEL REFLECTOR!

I had M200 and M300 and sold both because of ugly as hell beam.

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How about high CRI? Nichia B35AM 5000K R9080

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g_damian wrote:
How about high CRI? "Nichia B35AM 5000K R9080":https://budgetlightforum.com/node/69641[/quote] 

 

Now this could be a amazing.

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NO sst70 or sft40, at least if they are CW.  light is damn green.  i perspnally would havent been intereted in them as tint is hell green. especially in sft40

xhp70.2 4000-5000K is great choice as well as xhp35hi with the same color trmperature.

 

i suppose that TIR optic version with some HI CRI leds would also be interesting

 

 

 

 

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LOL, give them a choice of just two on BLF and you get twenty Big Smile

Of the two choices in the OP, assumed that it will be cool white anyway, SST-70 is far superior: still great output for the size of the flashlight, not the extreme flooder that a XHP70 would make it, and super clean beam without tint shifts.

Btw, Skilhunt could make a prototype of both and see for themselves which is better. But I guess that for selling it, which one is better is less important than what people think is better.

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well, our opinion about tint of sst70 is totally different -)

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Lumeniac wrote:

well, our opinion about tint of sst70 is totally different -)


I do not like cool white tints, but the SST70 that I tested (a sample that I got via LuckySun) had a straightforward cool white tint, not green or anything.
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Most important question. Is this M400 driver 6V or 12V?

Short answer. Offer BOTH.

7070 footprint emitters are pure flood in this size optic.Pair the XHP70 (better yet Getian GT-FC40 hi-cri) with a Frosted or Pebbled TIR.

5050 would ideally be a Cree XHP50.3 HI. Range of tint and CRI options. Luminus SST70 is only CW and won’t gain as much interest here in my opinion. Future SFT-70 would yield best lumens*throw numbers

The LED that I think would sell this light to me is the Nichia B35AM in 9080 bins. But I’m guessing this driver is 12V..

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SKILHUNT wrote:
Faremmo un semplice sondaggio per il fratello dell'M300, il nuovo modello M400.
Verrà utilizzata la batteria 21700. Abbiamo opzioni difficili da fare una scelta. 1. Usa LED CREE XHP70, 4000 lumen 2. Usa Luminus SST70 LED, 3000 lumen o altre buone opzioni che potresti suggerire. Fascio più diffuso o fascio più focalizzato? Hai davvero bisogno del tuo aiuto e facci sapere come ne pensi? (L'immagine è M300) !https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/p526x296/231041918_46... -mxp1-1.xx&oh=617f6fc2c39ea1048e5c8e05f4c30dff&oe=610FC58E!

 

SBT90.2 LED imo.

 

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Faremmo un semplice sondaggio per il fratello dell'M300, il nuovo modello M400.
Verrà utilizzata la batteria 21700. Abbiamo opzioni difficili da fare una scelta. 1. Usa LED CREE XHP70, 4000 lumen 2. Usa Luminus SST70 LED, 3000 lumen o altre buone opzioni che consigliare. Fascio più diffuso o fascio più focalizzato? Hai davvero bisogno del tuo aiuto e facci sapere come ne pensi? (L'immagine è M300) !https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/p526x296/231041918_46... 730e14&_nc_ohc -mxp1-1.xx&oh=617f6fc2c39ea1048e5c8e05f4c30dff&oe=610FC58E!

 

SBT90.2 LED imo.

 

[/Citazione]

 

...or quad SFT40.

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If other emitters won’t be considered then i’d vote for SST70 and swap emitter with Nichia B35AM in that case.

But again OP reflector instead of artifact SMO. Or even TIR

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djozz wrote:
Lumeniac wrote:

well, our opinion about tint of sst70 is totally different -)


I do not like cool white tints, but the SST70 that I tested (a sample that I got via LuckySun) had a straightforward cool white tint, not green or anything.
That’s very promising. A cool white with no bluish, greenish, or yellowish tinges should be more suitable for long throw than a warm tint.
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djozz wrote:
Lumeniac wrote:

well, our opinion about tint of sst70 is totally different -)

I do not like cool white tints, but the SST70 that I tested (a sample that I got via LuckySun) had a straightforward cool white tint, not green or anything.

I haven’t actually owned anything with SST-70 yet, but from what I’ve seen and heard the tint shift is as bad or worse than SST-40 and has greenish tint when run below high current with CC drivers:

(SST-70 left, 219B right)

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What 219B is that, also 70 CRI?

These are the beamshots from my SST70 test, left with small S2+ OP reflector, right with smooth X6 reflector. The led was at 1A.

No tint shifts and the tint is about correct in the picture so there is something different here, maybe later production batches were awful?

In any case, if different tints are photographed in one picture as in the zeroair pic, the white balance for at least one of them is not as you see in reality.

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I am also for sbt90.2

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djozz wrote:
Lumeniac wrote:

well, our opinion about tint of sst70 is totally different -)

I do not like cool white tints, but the SST70 that I tested (a sample that I got via LuckySun) had a straightforward cool white tint, not green or anything.

I’ve tested 3 lights now with sst70:
Imalent R30C
Fenix Tk16 V2.0
Fenix PD36 Tac

All are green to some extent, some worse than others, but not terrible. I guess it depends on whether you get a good bin or not. Currently, sst70 is CW only. Never seen anything under 6500k.

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Out of the options given I voted XHP70.2 as at least there are options of warmer tints, although I wouldn’t be against XHP50.2 or 35.2.

I don’t understand why light manufacturers don’t do this, why not offer a build that’s compatible with multiple optics and satisfy a larger market?

Elliptical optics could widen options to include cyclists as an example.
http://www.carclo-optics.com/optic-10003l25?beam=elliptical

Spot optics, wide angle optics, there’s a large range of various sizes and varying beams for different purposes, the utility alone of having such options and being able to change beam patterns would be very appealing and would surely have an impact on sales.

Build a light with the right proportions so people can pick and choose various optics to suit their needs.

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Going to have to go with the XHP70.2

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djozz wrote:
What 219B is that, also 70 CRI?

These are the beamshots from my SST70 test, left with small S2+ OP reflector, right with smooth X6 reflector. The led was at 1A.

No tint shifts and the tint is about correct in the picture so there is something different here, maybe later production batches were awful?

In any case, if different tints are photographed in one picture as in the zeroair pic, the white balance for at least one of them is not as you see in reality.

Your beamshot doesn’t show noticeable green… must be a different batch?

My only experience with SST70 at this time is from a Sofirn SD05 (which previously came in XHP50.2, and later became SST70)

Following pictures are from “screengrab” from my beamshot comparison video of SD05 (XHP50.2) vs SD05 (SST70), so the images are a bit blurry, but the color comparison between XHP50.2 vs SST70 should be noticeable..

SD05 (XHP50.2 cool-white) [left] vs SD05 [SST70) [right]

SD05 both on HIGH brightness = colors look pretty OK (not ‘greenish’ just basing on the image)

SDO5 both on MEDIUM brightness = the SST70 starts to show “greenish”

SD05 both on LOW brightness = SST70 is more throwy than XHP50.2 and there’s still the “greenish” hue compared to the XHP50.2

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SKILHUNT wrote:
We would to do a simple survey for the M300's brother--the M400 new model. It will be use 21700 battery. We have options hard to make a choice. 1. Use CREE XHP70 led, 4000 Lumens 2. Use Luminus SST70 LED, 3000 Lumens Or others good options you guys may suggest. More floody beam, or more focus beam? Really need your help, and let us know how do you think? (The image is M300) !https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/p526x296/231041918_46...!

Can I know what driver will be used for this M400?

It will be nice to contact loneoceans to make a Lume X1 driver for this new flashlight. It looks like it will be good match for the LED: 

<< Lume X1: 40W Single-Cell Boost Driver with Anduril2 and UDR >> | BudgetLightForum.com

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The Lumx X1 driver looks nice, Thumbs Up but we already made M400 driver.

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Does the M400 driver include a true sublumen(Moon) mode?

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Does the M400 driver include a true sublumen(Moon) mode?

Now is 1~2 lumen, any suggestion?

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