Copper price will drop ?

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Copper price will drop ?

Based on this upfront manipulative video,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LBC8ntzgIA
it appears that copper prices will drop

so will we see cheaper copper flashlights?

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I didn’t see the video but a shortage should increase the price unless it was already priced in, unless you are saying the price will drop so they are making videos to manipulate the market in the opposite direction.

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The price will increase.

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If you look at commodity prices for the past say 50 years, the prices always go up. There are many cyclical fluctuations but the long term trend is up .

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i doubt that the actual copper is the main extra cost.
mostly it would be
a. low volume – possibly hand production
b. special machining for copper vs al
c. because people want copper (i don’t) they can charge more and still sell them

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ggf31416 wrote:
I didn’t see the video but a shortage should increase the price unless it was already priced in, unless you are saying the price will drop so they are making videos to manipulate the market in the opposite direction.

Yep.
Whatever the mainstream media tells us – the opposite will happen
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wle wrote:

b. special machining for copper vs al

Just think about how much work there is to clean the whole facility from all aluminum leftovers. They get more money for pure aluminum or copper compared to the random mix of metals.
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cost is about 1c per gram
flashlight might have $1 worth at most

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Stagflation or something very similar is on the horizon. I think the big ‘but’ to the price increases will be a very temporary suppression in prices after the major crash that we are running towards. If you have or can quickly generate liquidity right now for hard assets, now is the time. Shortages are only stacking up and global tensions are at a boil.

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“so will we see cheaper copper flashlights?”

no.
maybe stable prices but no decrease.

if China is serious about Bitcoin (and others)
the money will flow elsewhere, and the Chinese
investors have a history of buying a lot of copper
along with other hard assets/currency.

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Copper is not really the ideal material to make flashlights from:

  • It is heavy
  • It is relatively soft. If you drop a copper light the body might suffer damage that might not occur were the light made from some other material.
  • It is more expensive than aluminum.
  • It looks great initially, but then tarnishes. Tarnished copper is a bit of an acquired taste.
  • It disinfects itself of any viruses sitting on it, including COVID, in around 4 hours. A plus in today’s pandemic.

When looking for a flashlight most muggles want something that is lightweight, looks good, is relatively cheap, and gets the job done. Aluminum is the most practical material that fits these requirements.

Copper flashlights tend to be VERY heavy compared to the same light in aluminum. This is immediately noticeable when comparing lights. A copper FWAA with cell installed is around 100g, compared to something like 30g for the aluminum version. Combine that with the more expensive price for copper and not many would choose copper over aluminum.

Copper flashlights look great and have their place. But I think they will be like Titanium lights … a specialty item for those who want something different or more bling. Copper prices dropping so you can get your copper light for $5 less won’t really change these dynamics.

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JaredM wrote:
Stagflation or something very similar is on the horizon. I think the big ‘but’ to the price increases will be a very temporary suppression in prices after the major crash that we are running towards. If you have or can quickly generate liquidity right now for hard assets, now is the time. Shortages are only stacking up and global tensions are at a boil.

Harry Brown’s “How to Profit From the Coming Devaluation” is a good reference.

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yeah i am not a big copper fan

i have one AAA tool light that is copper but only because it was $10

i would prob like it better if it was aluminum but it is a decent small light

there isn;t enough copper to either be heavy, or to smell bad

and the heat sinking qualities are wasted – an AAA light can;t get that hot to need it in the first place

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wle wrote:
yeah i am not a big copper fan

i have one AAA tool light that is copper but only because it was $10

i would prob like it better if it was aluminum but it is a decent small light

there isn;t enough copper to either be heavy, or to smell bad

and the heat sinking qualities are wasted – an AAA light can;t get that hot to need it in the first place

I have never owned a copper light. I did buy some copper pills from vestureofblood. Those were perfectly made.

It makes sense, and I want one, just so I can add patina, but I like lightweight, and low prices.

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Copper is expensive, and heavy, but I like it.

It looks great, and I read that it dissipates heat better than aluminum.  :BEER:

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I always note Romex prices when in HD. $160 for 12/2 × 250ft. Use to fluctuate between $30-$80 not to long ago. I don’t know how people afford to build anything.

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I don’t know how people afford to build anything.

I think that’s the point

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I wouldn’t be cleaning the “whole facility”… lol

Do you think the whole building is filled with chips?

Clean the lathe or mill real good etc and go to town

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pennzy wrote:
I always note Romex prices when in HD. $160 for 12/2 x 250ft. Use to fluctuate between $30-$80 not to long ago. I don't know how people afford to build anything.

 

That's exactly what I have been doing for decades. It just became a habit.

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Copper lights have never been priced on materials cost, if you’re luck it is like $3 of copper in a typical all copper light. shame, truly

Titanium costs way more to make, but the copper price would be fair for titanium, while the titanium price is scam for a host of reasons. I get titanium frames for chump change… the machining on a flashlight is really not so much worse to cost like 10x

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We saw this same spike in copper prices in 2010/2011 up to 4.50. It’s been in the high 3 dollar range for the last 15yrs. 3.98 last march, and currently at 4.35. Record of 4.76 last may.

So any huge price spike at the retail level like copper wire, is a supply and demand problem, possibly with manufacturing, or price gouging. Not the price of the commodity.