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JaredM wrote:
CollectEverything. It didn’t change that much with airplane mode on, off or even the sim pulled. I am aware of the cell modem pulling meaningful current. I had the same experience with my Moto X4 before/after the conversion, so this isn’t exactly a one-off.

I actually had a bug where my Moto E4 suddenly started sucking battery for no good reason. I bought an app that monitored low-level system activity (required root) and discovered there was a keep-awake happening that there shouldn’t have been. It’s been years now so I don’t remember the details but I was able to eventually nip it in the bud.

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I don’t know why people are still implying that anyone experiencing these things don’t know their way around an android or google account. Yes, it was for sure disabled, on initial setup of the phone and checked occasionally or after updates. (Same with scanning settings). I never wanted a smartphone when I finally switched from an Samsung flip 5yrs ago for many reasons. If I had known about ASOP ROMs in those days, I would have gone that route from the beginning. But you live and then learn.

And now in a world that gov’ts are force installing tracing apps OTA and coming right out and telling you SMS traffic is being sniffed and potentially censored in real time, is a live mic really that hard to believe?

I really don’t wish to come across as defensive and I’m not picking a fight of any kind. It’s my opinion and viewpoint, knowing the things I know about the mass surveillance state through dozens upon dozens of pathways. RFID, MAC address, IP addresses, voice fingerprinting, facial recognition, ultrasonic beacons, browser fingerprinting, contact tracing, GPS, social media apps.. everything is about characterizing, classifying, and targeting specific cohorts on society. You’d have to be awfully naive to think that that database exists and everyone with something to gain isn’t leveraging it in some capacity, whether they are within, outside, or above the law.

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JaredM wrote:
For those that think that turning off G assistant really makes a difference also consider this story.

From day one I’ve kept GA turned off. One night probably 3-4yrs ago ….. On the screen was a special google prompt telling me how to turn on GA if I wanted to use it. Kind of blew its own cover, no?

That’s still not definitive proof because for at least the last 4 years maybe more you can access the Google Assistant by touching and holding the home button for one second. So if you had it disabled and she touched that home button for one second then you would likely get that prompt to ask you to turn it on. Try it now and see what happens.

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There are so many reasons for a battery to die besides secret network traffic and your drawer-test post didn’t mention any of them. System software bugs, network-greedy third-party apps, and malfunctioning sensors are all possible reasons. Some people, like me, just go into trouble-shooting mode and start with the basics. I’ll admit though that I read your first comment too quickly and missed that you were using developer mode in Android—not something that the technically illiterate would ever do.

A while ago I watched a video where Snowden discusses the things a smartphone does behind the scenes; he makes a case for their being a user-visible report of network activity so that people can make informed decisions about what apps they keep on their phones. He also said that the only way to be sure your phone isn’t doing anything is to remove the battery. He was worried about more than targeted ads though.

Targeted ads can be implemented so easily by Google without needing to resort to (more) clandestine methods. Almost everyone uses their search engine. Their web browser is one of the most popular. They have names, ages, and in some cases home addresses. They can correlate IP addresses with google accounts and they probably cluster family user accounts together by cross-referencing frequently used IP addresses. So if anyone in your household has a Google account that isn’t as locked-down as yours, you could still receive household-targeted ads. If someone else’s phone or browser leaks that you are planning to purchase checks then Google could use your age to determine it is you (or your wife) who would be buying the checks and not little Timmy.

So yea, I don’t doubt the existence of corporate surveillance or that is being abused. I’m just thinking that the simplest explanation is probably the right one when it comes to targeted ads. You mentioned it might have been a day in between when you had the convo and opened the phone. In that time you or your wife could have mentioned it around other phones (not locked down and at your address) or searched for it using google’s search engine and/or browser. Alternatively, maybe you think this item is unusual to talk about but perhaps Google with it’s vast amounts of collected data has identified you as part of a demographic that is currently showing interest in that uncommon thing.

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Is there a website or other resource that provides an explanation for each of the Google Play Services that are found under Running Services of Developer Options?

There can be as many as 20 different services running in the background at any one time, but I've only been able to find more information about a few them.

Since it would give me peace of mind in not having to be concerned about any of them, I would really like to know what each service does, or why it's there at all. A couple examples from the growing list include, "PendingIntentCallbackService" and "Discovery Service".

Any help would be really appreciated! 

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