[review] Wurkkos TS21 21700 light, 4000K!

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And don’t forget, in general, if you’re doing thermal recalibration, have a thermometer set right next to the light, and leave both overnight to equilibrate. Then hit it fast so you don’t warm up the insides by either holding the light too long, or having the light on for too long. That itself could bump it up a few degrees in a very short time.

Why not just take the temperature of the light, then use that figure for the calibration? Tweak the input a bit to compensate if desired. Instant read thermometers are cheap and plentiful.

Waiting for the light to settle at room temperature, then using the indirect ambient air temperature figure, assuming it’s accurate, and correlates to that of the light, seems to introduce a lot more time and potential error into the measurement than necessary.

The aim is to ensure that the light’s sensor reading corresponds to the temperature of the light itself, not the air, and that measurement can be taken at any point in time.

The temp sensor is on the driver PCB, not the body of the light. If you just take a temperature reading of the outside of the light after using it, it will not be the same as the temperature of the driver PCB.

If you leave the light off and let it sit for a couple hours, the entire body of the light as well as the driver will eventually equalize to exactly the air temperature of the room. This way you can accurately set your temp sensor.

I don’t worry too much about absolute accuracy when I set mine; I just try to get it within a few degrees of ambient. If I notice it’s stepping down too slow or too fast, I then just tweak the step-down temperature down or up, respectively.

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Renato Azevedo wrote:
Wonderful review! Thanks for sharing

No worries, but ach!, I gotta get pix up. Having “issues” ULing…

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I knew/know almost nothing about the light, but still do like the blood-spatter camo. LOL

Someone who’s hiding out as a lumberjack and talks to his dead father would appreciate your taste Wink

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icpart wrote:
Hi. I have question about T21S. Is that 4000K SST20 is high cri variant or ordinary low cri?

it is high 95CRI
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I need help deciding on 5000k or 4000k. Problem is I usually like 5000k for most my lights but everyone says the sst20 5000k is “puke green”. I run my lights mainly on high. Can I expect not to see it?

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I have only 3 emitter FW3A with SST20 4000K. For now I think my favourite High Cri in 3535 format is LH351D. SST20 4000K are not green at low levels but maybe they will be very warm for you especially at low levels. Also I have IF25 with SST20 6500K and 3000K. 6500K are very greenish at low levels. I think I have also Skilhunt E2A with 4000K and 5000K sst20 but it lack to have very low moon output to compare them side by side.

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icpart wrote:
I have only 3 emitter FW3A with SST20 4000K. For now I think my favourite High Cri in 3535 format is LH351D. SST20 4000K are not green at low levels but maybe they will be very warm for you especially at low levels. Also I have IF25 with SST20 6500K and 3000K. 6500K are very greenish at low levels. I think I have also Skilhunt E2A with 4000K and 5000K sst20 but it lack to have very low moon output to compare them side by side.

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pennzy wrote:
I need help deciding on 5000k or 4000k. Problem is I usually like 5000k for most my lights but everyone says the sst20 5000k is “puke green”. I run my lights mainly on high. Can I expect not to see it?

Because you prefer to use high mode there is not green in 5000K version. Also 4000K is Hi-Cri variant so it is not very efficient LED.
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Wow is right! Darn you Lightbringer;-) I am really trying to fight of the urge to get one of these for myself. Officially I am still on hold as I really don’t need another light and have other things to spend my money on. However, after reading your review, decided to get one for my friends birthday present.

This really is a fantastic light that does everything I like and that 21700 is great for capacity without making the light too big for EDC. A bit too heavy for hat brim use but could be used that way in a pinch. For that duty I already have an EO2 II. The TS21 has the beautiful 4000k SST 20 same as the EO2 II. TIR as well for a wonderful beam. Even has a respectable moonlight in smooth mode. (Perhaps could configure stepped mode to do the same?) There is really nothing I don’t like about this light.

The ATR works great as far as my example goes! Haven’t messed with the calibration as the temp is correct and it stays crazy bright long enough for me. Would be interesting to do more testing but it seems like about the 4th step up in default mode is about the thermal limit of the light and that is considerably brighter than what it has to step down to when running turbo. Maybe capable os sustained 500 lumen or so? for many hours. Pretty darn good for something this size if you ask me. Will be really fun to use one in the cold weather up here as I bet it will hold a bunch more lumen.

The included cell is really good! Low IR and in the ballpark on stated capacity. Must be able to put out some good amps. Tested the light with a protected button top 18650 that works great in every single LED light I have but it could not sustain the turbo in the TS21. Guessing that the 30q would do it but I don’t have a spacer and they are too short.

I don’t really see or at least have yet noticed any significant differences between the Andrul II on this and the one on my SC31 Pro. Is that why this light will actually do a respectable moonlight compared to the SC31 pro? I’m sure not afraid to give this to my friend with the default configuration and smooth ramp mode. Simple to use and very useful. With the 21700 and built in battery check my fear of setting the ramp in such a way to unexpectedly drain the battery farther than I expect is eliminated and I like the smooth ramping interface. Only use stepped on my SC31 pro because I feel like I need better control over how much battery I have.

If my SC31 pro died tomorrow I would definitely get one of these for myself. I don’t know how long I will be able to resist anyway. This is everything I want from a tube light.

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Toldja. LOL

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Waiting for the V2 version to come on from the recent sale. Playing around with Anduril2 will be fun!

I really do enjoy my OG TS21, except that in comparison to my other SST20 4000K it’s a bit more on the greenish side.

Solution though: Don’t compare beams all the time Big Smile

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SST20 greenish can not avoid, if go another LED version TS21, which LEDs better?

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Just got mine today. Need to do some more testing but it’s really quite good. It’s a shame it doesn’t fit carclo optics but it seems quite nice nonetheless.

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Wurkkos wrote:
SST20 greenish can not avoid, if go another LED version TS21, which LEDs better?

Is it possible to ask your supplier for not so green bin of SST20? The TS21 and Skilhunt E2A are unlucky in the SST20 lottery :/ The Others ones are quite nice and neutral in real life.

If that doesn’t work a limited edition TS21 with Nichia 219b would be a big hit too in my humble opinion Wink

Less turbo output, but very beautiful beam!

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funwok wrote:
Wurkkos wrote:
SST20 greenish can not avoid, if go another LED version TS21, which LEDs better?

Is it possible to ask your supplier for not so green bin of SST20? The TS21 and Skilhunt E2A are unlucky in the SST20 lottery :/ The Others ones are quite nice and neutral in real life.

If that doesn’t work a limited edition TS21 with Nichia 219b would be a big hit too in my humble opinion Wink

Less turbo output, but very beautiful beam!


nichia 219 is suit for the TIR which TS21 use now
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Which colors won the survey?

And when will they be available?

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Wurkkos wrote:
nichia 219 is suit for the TIR which TS21 use now

Does this mean that the TS21 is now using Nichia 219? Or that the TIR could accommodate it in the future?

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djsz wrote:
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nichia 219 is suit for the TIR which TS21 use now

Does this mean that the TS21 is now using Nichia 219? Or that the TIR could accommodate it in the future?


TIR could accommodate it
but not sure if will assemble a small batch with 219C will see is there a demand of them.
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TS21 219C LED version, anybody interested in this ?

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Neutral-White and camo !
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Forgive my ignorance, but what would the advantages of the 219C be? Better tint? Output? Lower temperature? All I know is people love them, but I’m curious as to the specific benefits.

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djsz wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, but what would the advantages of the 219C be? Better tint? Output? Lower temperature? All I know is people love them, but I’m curious as to the specific benefits.

that is the high CRI and good beam color
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Got it. I’d be interested if TS21 w/219C had Anduril 2 and power bank functionality.

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219C LED version will do if reach a lowest Assembly line quantity >100 pieces Facepalm

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Great tint and CRI, but lower output

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Wurkkos wrote:
219C LED version will do if reach a lowest Assembly line quantity >100 pieces Facepalm

I signed up to these forums just to say I agree on 219c (or any high efficiency diode with 90+ CRI).

Also better run time is a must. Turbo drops down to an embarrassing ~200 lumens fairly quickly. The combination of a more efficient LED with a buck driver could help keep a much higher sustained output.

Maybe call it TS25 and sell it for more. I’d pay.

Nice to have bonus features: tail switch and a green or tan/sand colour…. But now I’m just being greedy lol

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It's nice to see you, dondizzurp!

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It’s nice to see you, dondizzurp!


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