Flashlight Reviews Positive/Negative Ratio

I appreciate the time and work involved with flashlight reviews by fellow members. It’s valuable info for ones who might be interested in that particular flashlight. Pictures, graphs, thoughts etc all go towards members deciding if that’s the flashlight they want.

But the thing is, almost all the reviews are positive as a whole. :)) Isn’t there ones where the outcome is… “Okay, this one sucks and it’s gonna cause you grief and depression!” :)) I dunno but I hardly see a totally negative reviews? Does this mean almost all flashlights are totally awesome these days??

It could mean that those of us who purchase flashlights and write reviews here have a pretty good idea whether we’ll like a light before we purchase it.

And we only buy stuff we think we might like. :sunglasses:

there are no bad flashlights.
they were just designed that way.
(yeah, Jessica Rabbit meme)

the flashlight is good

review is positive

Hummm…
Here is one of mine where I give a not good, not bad review.

And one that is clearly negative and hopefully entertaining…

And another pointing out crappy batteries and lies about weather sealing

And one that is more of a look at this thing, kind of review.

I’m fairly critical about switches that can’t be found by braille. UIs that force you through stupid modes.
PWM in the viable range.
A lantern with 100Hz PWM! Just awful to work under. But Cheap.

There are the reviewers who get tons of light for free - and if they give negative reviews the supply will dry up.
(Let’s see how it does on the tree of life… Wow! Amazing!)

Ones that post a zillion high res. images that take forever to load. Unless I’m really interested, I pass on these.
Jeez, just downsize to 1600 0r 1280 pixels and save us a crap-ton of bandwidth.

Then there are those that get free lights and sometimes point out negative aspects. These do seem rare.

Then there are the regular members who buy the lights for themselves and review them.
One would think that perhaps they are only buying a light that appeals to them and after researching the light to see if it is worth buying.
The likelihood that the light is good quality is fairly high.
I mean, why would you spend your own money on something that you suspect sucks?

One thing I will mention is that reviewers should get feedback. Tell’em what you like or don’t.
Sucks to put in the time to do a review and nary a comment in sight.

All the Best,
Jeff

I think it depends on who……both flashlight company and reviewer. Real users like here on BLF, generally you get an initial review and then if there are problems those shake out later as more people use them…where positive reviews may change with added notes or general opinion/comments until everyone knows. Then there is the whole “reviewer circuit” thing where everyone is hooked up for free lights. I take those with a grain of salt, mostly because I have heard more than one handful of stories that…well geez, makes you start to distrust everyone and approach lights with more skepticism than you might have otherwise. Really, some of the insider stories are just atrocious - sometimes it’s the companies or just the company reps, sometimes it’s the reviewer themselves. And then as a subset of that circuit-group you have the monetization of youtube. For people that actually make more than a few bucks a month and have become addicted to it or may actually use it as significant income, that just clouds everything.

Short story: negative often gets swept under the rug whether it’s aggressively or quietly and it’s all either to do with “face” or money. I don’t think that’s a problem on BLF but in the big world at large, the flashlight biz behind the scenes is ultra competitive dog-eat-dog and there have been an awful lot of people that got hurt, angry, or disenfranchised in one way or another all because of the Truth…negatives (when they are present).

Most recent shining example that comes to mind was the blowup on Flashaholic’s Lumintop FWAA review. He wasn’t exactly scathing in the video but brought up a lot of negatives (partially based on a light that wasn’t assembled well and partially maybe because he didn’t understand what was going on with it). Lumintop was quickly scathing behind the scenes, apparently, demanding that he remove the review, etc, etc. He rightfully took issue with this, although to their credit, sorta, he apparently didn’t contact them before recording and publishing the review, to give them a chance to explain or replace the light if it was indeed a dud. Looks like he changed the description and some comments are gone from the stream, but it was initially a dogpile that I’m sure made Lumintop’s skin crawl with embarrassment (and for the Chinese that is a whole ball of yarn…).

I have one friend who had a small review channel and blog, hooked up with Olight and a couple others. My gosh the things he had to share….really unfortunate and really ugly, depending on which company. He threw in the towel and it was sad for him because he really loved lights but one honest review about a light with problems and a couple of less-than-glowing comments on other light reviews and he caught a lot of flak, got nixed from the circuit and I guess “they” all talk and possibly even have some sort of blacklist. He gave up on lights altogether and doesn’t even want to talk about them or look at new ones now. But he didn’t want to get caught up in a circle of deception, either, so he’s happier for that aspect.

Personally, I like critical reviews and I can weed out the nitpicks from the legitimate issues since I know about lights, right? But to the general public and especially the manufacturers, any negativity just has great potential to collapse the house of cards in the blink of an eye. Sometimes I think I see some of the communist ethos coming through in vendors’ behavior these days, trying to control what people see/hear. I don’t like it. So long live the hard ass reviewers who point out all of the points, good and bad. And companies who get aggressive or deceptive can just take a hike…in the dark, without a good light. :slight_smile:

Maybe we should have people who hate flashlights review them.

Maybe because there just too many parts to review. Kinda like a car you know. Something like…

Okay I love the curves of the body. It flows in unison together. But I don’t like the front as it looks too cartoonish. The handling is great over small bumbs and it rides quite smooth even though it’s got stiffer shocks but I wish they would of used less stiffer shocks. I hate the cvt tranny as it seems to sound like a lawnmower. The seats really hug you but that steering wheel just feels too biggish. The fuel economy is great but merging into highways really winds the engine out. Oh, the visibility is good all around but that b- pillar sure blocks a large portion in your blind spot. Damm lots of trunk room but that back seat is best left for smaller kids.”

Great post!!
Thanks for the entertainment!

I’ve seen plenty of reviews where someone is given a flashlight for free, no strings attached. They are never scathing reviews, but try to tastefully document what they believe to be a drawback. And in kind, there should never be emotions expressed in negative aspects. This should be meant for constructive criticism so that the light maker can rectify it in the next release (or interim).

But I have to admit, there’s one brand that I took a strong liking to, because I had some good communication with the owner. I gave a very good objective review, on a light that I purchased (wasn’t free)… and the one real negative that stuck in my craw was the noticeable PWM in most modes (except highest). Frankly, for the flashlight price and the standards set at this time, there was no good excuse for PWM to be present. I tried to frame it with no emotion, and I think I was fair. But after that? The guy won’t even respond to me.

So yeah… I think there’s positive bias out there, because people want to keep reviewing flashlights. The trick is to spot the negatives in “carefully worded language.” And if there’s a doubt, have a PM chat with the reviewer who might be a little more forthcoming off-line.

But frankly, from all I’ve seen, most people try to avoid reviewing flashlights they already have a “feeling” won’t end up with an overall positive finish. I know of a couple flashlights that are pretty pricey, but for what you get they fall short in a critical area… like for instance, absence of good current regulation (relative to the price). You know what? You don’t see many reviews of flashlights like this. One review that points out a fault that many in the flashlight community would consider a taboo, and no one wants to review it. So, that’s why you wouldn’t see it come up.

Personally, if I was the reviewing type, why would I waste my life writing/scripting/filming a video about something I hated? Some people get off on that I guess, or find it humorous, but I dunno - to me it seems like a large waste of time and I’ve got better things to do. I guess maybe if it was my job to review lights and I was really disappointed or flabbergasted by how bad a product was - then I’d try to salvage it by making a hate review, which I guess some youtubers do. I can sort of see the side of wanting to warn other consumers about the shortcomings of a product, I guess.

For me though, if I think a light looks like it sucks - then I just won’t buy it. Simple.

I was into reviewing lights for about 2 years, until the decision was made to stick with native speakers, to ‘professionalize the website’ so i recently got out of that business.

The thing about reviews is, they are never 100% accurate, personal experience may differ from one to another.
Another important aspect is the political correctness. Since most lights are provided free, the only investment is time and effort (and the instruments for measuring output, runtime, etc.)

Writing a very negative review, usually means the manufacturer is not keen on sending you new flashlights. That’s why all reviews with ratings from 0-5 stars will NEVER have a rating below 3 stars.
Read between the lines and make and your own decision.

Some of the review sites have affiliate sales links for the lights under review, which means they have a financial incentive to sell the lights. That has to affect the reviews too.

I’ve so far only reviewed self-purchased lights and have been negative towards a few, including at least one from a brand that I like. Conversely there’s a brand that I don’t like, that makes a light that a lot of BLF’ers advised me against buying, but when it went on sale cheap enough I couldn’t resist and it turns out I rather like it. The main criticism was that the light is unreliable though, so I guess I’ll only like it until it stops working. (Review is here in case you wanted to know).

When someone gives you a free light for review it’s nearly impossible psychologically to be as negative about it as if you had bought it.

If a light has a 10 percent failure rate then there’s a 90 percent chance the reviewer gets a good one but there’s an 80 percent chance I’ll get a bad one. Dont ask me to explain the math because I can’t, I just know it works that way.

I’ve had a few failures, but non of them were right after I bought the light. All of them would have gotten good reviews right after I bought them. I remember when my imalent dx80 was the greatest light ever. Before the smoke came out of it.

Some problems don’t get noticed for a long time. My imalent dt70 is one of my favorite lights but the thermal regulation doesn’t work on strobe mode. I never noticed until I set it up to shine on the ceiling and let the kids run around in the strobe light for half an hour. Went to turn off the light and it was too hot to hold. I still like that light though.

“We don’t do any 5 star reviews”

-Well the turbo lasts för 10 sec and then it’s stuck in 100 lumen for 4 hours until it fades

–4/5 stars! Great light Buy at our links below

/// 2Candela.com

Exactly this :wink:

The most egregious example of “soft” reviewing I’ve seen is this “review” right here: Acebeam X50 Review - 40.000 lm of pure bliss with amazing sustainable outputs - YouTube

  • Wastes time displaying the box and praising the packaging!
  • Mentions multiple times that Acebeam has the BEST fit and finish on the market (highly debatable methinks)
  • They sent him the light with the wrong emitters but he just took it so as not to rock the boat
  • He demonstrates that the temperature control is BROKEN on one mode and that the light can reach temperatures that are out of spec for 18650 batteries and FAR outside the range of what the community considers ideal (90 degrees celcius I think?!)
  • He acts as though the buggy temperature control is basically a feature on his light and speculates that other models won’t have this issue (you expect me to believe Acebeam can’t get the right model without defects to a reviewer but it will be different for me?)

To be fair to the reviewer:

  • They were honest about having received a reviewer discount.
  • They did mention the flaws despite the spin
  • They do offer useful runtime graphs.

I get that they are trying not to anger Acebeam but I feel like casual viewers are being thrown under the bus because they won’t read between the lines. Even as someone “in the know” I am frustrated in a very Type-A way that this video is labeled as a review when it feels more like a commercial.

selfbuilt was one of the best flashlight reviewers around. He didn’t have a rating system. But he was so incredibly thorough. You’d have to read his conclusions section to get a feel for his impressions, the negatives, etc. And he was pretty much spot on, from what I could see. He was in such demand to review, he’d have to turn away requests. And as such, he was selective with the flashlights he’d review, which helped ensure he’d not end up with lemons most of the time. This is why he interviewed dozens upon dozens of lights. He did sell off some of the older ones to fund his efforts on the newer ones. And he had an open PayPal donation link.

Anyway, he burned himself out… which was understandable. Sold off most of his flashlights, except for his top favorites. I hope one day he comes back to it. He sure left at the wrong time, as the LED game has changed so immensely and such an impressive array of makers out there now.

I read that there are legions of fake/paid-for reviews on Amazon. And that there is a stable of shills ready to dance to whatever tune the maker is willing to promote.
It’s hard to believe that tens of thousands of users have never compared a POS zoomie to something even part way decent and find it worthy of a 5 star rating.

Many are easy to spot when the language is right out of the makers propaganda. Or the words or phrasing is so odd as to be comical.
“What is the color temperature?”
“Yes dear, the glare is opportune to the lens irradiation” W hisky T ango F oxtrot?

I really don’t bother with the 5 star reviews unless it is clear that someone has actually put the device to the test.

Yet there are clearly reviewers that have a great deal of integrity.
Project Farm on YouTube comes to mind. There are affiliate links, but even though some question his testing methods, I would submit that he clearly shows poor performance whenever it is encountered.

All the Best,
Jeff