Dedicated Pioneman Deals (Updated Nov. 5th): Pioneman P80 launch

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Dedicated Pioneman Deals (Updated Nov. 5th): Pioneman P80 launch
Pioneman K80: New big head has launched
LED Options: SBT90 | SST40-6500K | SST40-5000K | SFT40-6500K | SFH55
 
Possible Group Buy later in December. Stay tuned. 
 

Detailed parameters.

Model number: K80

Material: aluminum alloy.

Shell color: black, silver.

Oxidation process description: silver is ordinary anodizing treatment, black is hard anodizing treatment.

Low pressure warning: yes.

Anti-polarity protection: yes.

Lens type: double-sided green film plating.

Reflectors: smooth surface.

Switch position: middle side press.

Pattern memory: yes.

Tail handstand: yes.

Waterproof grade: IPX6.

Charging current: up to 3A (only A TO C charging lines are supported).

Battery chargers include: not included.

Use battery type:

LED:SBT90/sst40.

Color temperature:

LED substrate: 25mm.

Circuit warehouse:

Size: head diameter: 80mm battery compartment diameter: 36mm flashlight length: 26800 version 190mm (26980 version is 210mm).

Diameter of battery compartment: 27mm.

Net weight of the product: about 500g.

Complimentary: waterproof ring * 2, key rubber cap * 1, charging rubber cap * 1, hand rope * 1, A to C charging line * 1.

 

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Flashlight with low voltage protection and temperature control protection, the temperature reaches 60-65 degrees temperature control begins to control downshift.

 

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Circuit board drive output description:

SBT90/SFH55 version:

Output voltage: 3V.

Output current: 22A~25A (the output current of the driver board is determined according to the output current of the battery, up to 25A).

SST40/SFT40 version:

Output voltage: 3V.

Output current: 8A

 

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Gear operation instructions:

Gear order:

0.1% - 10% - 50% - 100%.

Click to power on(remember to open the previous gear),

Long press change gear mode.

Double-click extremely bright (100%, can be remembered),

Three-strike flash mode (100%).

 
 
Edited by: LumenMax on 11/05/2021 - 00:11
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I am very interested in this new product, I can kindly have some technical data such as dimensions including the diameter of the head, power levels with relative number of candela for the various versions, thanks.

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Fedtro wrote:

I am very interested in this new product, I can kindly have some technical data such as dimensions including the diameter of the head, power levels with relative number of candela for the various versions, thanks.

 

Post updated with info.

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So we wait now for Convoy version of that beast Cash

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icpart, I agree with you.

The price of this model (90 SBT and 26800 battery size) is about US110 (plus tax if shipped to the USA or the EU). And there is no option to include the 26800 battery cell, which is very difficult to find.

Too expensive, not attractive at all. I think it cannot compete with the Convoy L7, which is cheaper, at US$81.45 with a discount code on Banggood.

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SFH55? Is that true? Or is it actually an SFN55?

This will be the first light with that emitter, are you getting anywhere close to the rated 14000 lumens that they spec?
If so, wouldn’t this LED blow the 90.2 out of the water?

Also doesn’t the SFH55 require ridiculous amount of power?

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The two best deals for SBT 90.2 lights are Jin Heng JKK90 and Starfish S9 and both are about 50USD when purchased in China.

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I have a Pioneman light but they do indeed use Convoy drivers. The comparative advantage of Pioneman appears to be their machining. I really like the body of my 21700 tube light with a XHP 70.2.

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vonroyale wrote:
SFH55? Is that true? Or is it actually an SFN55? This will be the first light with that emitter, are you getting anywhere close to the rated 14000 lumens that they spec? If so, wouldn't this LED blow the 90.2 out of the water? Also doesn't the SFH55 require ridiculous amount of power?

 

It's the same question I ask myself, they wrote right? Or they were wrong and wanted to write SFN55, if they really made a flashlight with the SFH55 led then I will buy it now!

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Fedtro wrote:

vonroyale wrote:
SFH55? Is that true? Or is it actually an SFN55? This will be the first light with that emitter, are you getting anywhere close to the rated 14000 lumens that they spec? If so, wouldn’t this LED blow the 90.2 out of the water? Also doesn’t the SFH55 require ridiculous amount of power?

 


It’s the same question I ask myself, they wrote right? Or they were wrong and wanted to write SFN55, if they really made a flashlight with the SFH55 led then I will buy it now!

Same, SFN55 I do not need because I have light coming with that emitter. I just can’t see them selling this for $90 with the SFH

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Here is the Taobao listing which tends to have the most info:

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z0d.6639537.1997196601.3.22777484...

What is the SFH55? I couldn’t find anything on this LED. It could be typo since H and N look quite similar.

I can find things on Taobao in China but the international version has limited search functionality.

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fogofwar wrote:
Here is the Taobao listing which tends to have the most info: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z0d.6639537.1997196601.3.22777484... What is the SFH55? I couldn't find anything on this LED. It could be typo since H and N look quite similar. I can find things on Taobao in China but the international version has limited search functionality.

 

SFH 55 is a different led has dimensions 11x11 mm therefore large enough that it can emit up to over 14000 lumens if driven at 25A.

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I did speak to Pioneman this morning and they were able to confirm a few things.
- One of the options is indeed an SFH55 emitter
- The driver can push it @ 25A no problem.
- It is supposedly getting to the 14,000 lumen range.

We are living in the future people!

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vonroyale wrote:
I did speak to Pioneman this morning and they were able to confirm a few things. - One of the options is indeed an SFH55 emitter - The driver can push it @ 25A no problem. - It is supposedly getting to the 14,000 lumen range. We are living in the future people!

 

I will get one with SFH55 but unfortunately I cannot buy the 26980 battery directly from AliExpress because it is not offered so I will buy it from Nealsgadgets.

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do you know what emitter is used in the beamshots? Looks like the 90.2?

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vonroyale wrote:
I did speak to Pioneman this morning and they were able to confirm a few things.
- One of the options is indeed an SFH55 emitter
- The driver can push it @ 25A no problem.
- It is supposedly getting to the 14,000 lumen range.

We are living in the future people!

It’s strange because the same seller told me that the SFH55 version has a brightness of 7500 lumens and a color temperature of 6000K

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Dose the SFH55 have less intensity than the SBT90.2?

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Yes. 1/4th the candela per lumen by rough estimation. So it would need about 20k lumens to match the 90.2 in throw

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JaredM wrote:
Yes. 1/4th the candela per lumen by rough estimation. So it would need about 20k lumens to match the 90.2 in throw

Thanks!

If the torch really does produce 14000 lumens with the SFH55, would you go for that over the SBT90.2?

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Yes - less intensity. I have an SFH55 from Neal, just got it yesterday. Planning on swapping it in to a WT90 in place of the SBT90.2. Check out Dave's thread here: https://budgetlightforum.com/node/78881. He's got the chart of various in the OP, my post here: https://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1816381#comment-1816381

We don't think the chart is accurate in all respects, but a lot of it seems to be.

The issue with the K80 SFH55 is if it truly can pull the amps, it should be over 30 and that's not great on any single cell. That's why the bigger WT90 triple 21700's is right now about as good as it gets. Was thinking of a GT90 too, 8 18650's should do ok also.

Interesting if the WT90 with one SFH55 would do as good as the triple SBT90.2 HL HK90. Or put three in a HK90 and get >30K lumens? Interesting...

 

 

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Tom E wrote:

Yes – less intensity. I have an SFH55 from Neal, just got it yesterday. Planning on swapping it in to a WT90 in place of the SBT90.2. Check out Dave’s thread here: https://budgetlightforum.com/node/78881. He’s got the chart of various in the OP, my post here: https://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1816381#comment-1816381


We don’t think the chart is accurate in all respects, but a lot of it seems to be.


The issue with the K80 SFH55 is if it truly can pull the amps, it should be over 30 and that’s not great on any single cell. That’s why the bigger WT90 triple 21700’s is right now about as good as it gets. Was thinking of a GT90 too, 8 18650’s should do ok also.


Interesting if the WT90 with one SFH55 would do as good as the triple SBT90.2 HL HK90. Or put three in a HK90 and get >30K lumens? Interesting…


 


 


Wow! The WT90 with SFH55 will be a complete monster!

I will probably go for the SBT90.2 in the k80 for three reasons:

1. I don’t yet have a torch with a SBT90.2 and this host looks perfect for it.
2. As you motioned, a single 26800 is not enough for the mighty SFH55.
3. I want more throw.

I’ll obviously wait for Simon to release his version.

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Ordered!

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I’d like to see them add throw numbers for the different emitters.

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Rusty Joe wrote:
I'd like to see them add throw numbers for the different emitters.

 

I'll ask them for the information.

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Tom E wrote:

Yes - less intensity. I have an SFH55 from Neal, just got it yesterday. Planning on swapping it in to a WT90 in place of the SBT90.2. Check out Dave's thread here: https://budgetlightforum.com/node/78881. He's got the chart of various in the OP, my post here: https://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1816381#comment-1816381

We don't think the chart is accurate in all respects, but a lot of it seems to be.

The issue with the K80 SFH55 is if it truly can pull the amps, it should be over 30 and that's not great on any single cell. That's why the bigger WT90 triple 21700's is right now about as good as it gets. Was thinking of a GT90 too, 8 18650's should do ok also.

Interesting if the WT90 with one SFH55 would do as good as the triple SBT90.2 HL HK90. Or put three in a HK90 and get >30K lumens? Interesting...

 

 

 

Hi Tom, what do you think about the 26980 battery that Neal offers, do you think it will be enough for SFH55, they say it can continuously deliver 40A and up to 60A peak, do you think this is true and do you think it can bring the performance closer to 3x21700? Thanks.

 

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I thought I had one, can't locate it if I do. Hard to imagine continuous 40A from one cell. I'd say let's see a test, but don't think Mooch or HKJ can test at 40A, not sure. Other issue can it drive this LED at high amps on a direct FET - is the LED's Vf low enough and the battery's resistance low enough to achieve those high amps for any length of time. That's more concerning. 

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I have access to 10V50A battery cyclers. If someone wants to donate a cell or two, I’ll test it.

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Tom E wrote:

I thought I had one, can't locate it if I do. Hard to imagine continuous 40A from one cell. I'd say let's see a test, but don't think Mooch or HKJ can test at 40A, not sure. Other issue can it drive this LED at high amps on a direct FET - is the LED's Vf low enough and the battery's resistance low enough to achieve those high amps for any length of time. That's more concerning. 

You're right, the second problem is more troubling than the first, I hadn't thought about it ... thanks Tom

 

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At those currents, voltage drop at every connection is likely significant. Traditional spring contacts aren’t good enough imo. A compression design using the tailcap and flat, gold plated discs would be required, but this would not be a general consumer design. A built in cell could maybe get you there, but people don’t like that around here. I think we are losing touch with how much power this is..

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I knew something not right when i saw the lens last week. What is the purpose of those green film?

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Just received mine today.

Nice light, SFH55 is a good emitter, very bright, very well made.

But… I do not recommend this light. Why? Because the advertised UI is a lie. HOLD FOR OFF??!! Insanity!

The UI on this light is single click for on and single click to change modes. And hold for off. You gotta be kidding me.

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