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Tom E wrote:

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Yea, the Wurkkos TS21 is about the worse I’ve ever seen, ever, for parasitic drain from the switch LED, and it’s high in general. The Astrolux EC06 made by Sofirn is also terrible. Also the SC31 Pro and Q8 Pro also have high drain from the switch LED – all this shouldn’t be, it’s avoidable.


Very strange, I have the EC06 and TS21 and the parasitic drain was very low. I would have to check again, but it was nothing I needed to mention in each review



The TS21 is only radically high with the switch LED on high and must be the newer batch with the amber LED


For the EC06 I measured 2500 µA with switch LED on high, and 120 µA with it OFF. Even 120 µA is high – this number should be 20-40 µA. If it’s greater than 40 µA, there’s some other source of leakage in the circuit and I’m only seeing this extra leakage in USB-C charging circuit designs, not that they all leak, but many of the new SOFIRN ones are.


With the switch LED on high at 2500 µA drain, it would take 200 days (12000/2.5 = 4800)) to drain fully charged cells.


With the switch LED OFF at 120 µA drain, it would take 11.5 years to drain fully charged cells (12000/0.120 = 100000 hours), but for one cell it’s 3.8 years, and if the cell is already drained to 25% capacity, it’s less than one year. So this doesn’t sound like much drain, but it’s still 3-4 times more than it should or could be, and there may be a simple fix for this. There’s no reason for the charging circuit to be running anything that takes power.


 


 


 


 


From IP5310 datasheet seems there is high quiescent current
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Battery standby current ISTB VIN=0V,VBAT=3.7V 50 100 150 uA
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This light will be a winner. I hope no first production run problems.

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Yes, the charging circuit is spec'ed this way so the measured 120 uA makes sense (20 uA for the driver circuitry, 100 uA for the charging circuitry) - not a deal breaker with 3 21700 cells, but good to know.

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Astrolux needs to start implementing metal switches if the plan on staying in the higher end market. Acebeam (best switches), Manker, Fenix, and Imalent all know what is up. METAL SWITCHES SHOULD BE THE STANDARD, FIGHTEH ME.

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Astrolux needs to start implementing metal switches if the plan on staying in the higher end market. Acebeam (best switches), Manker, Fenix, and Imalent all know what is up. METAL SWITCHES SHOULD BE THE STANDARD, FIGHTEH ME.

Manker has good switches? How do you know that because they look nice?

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Tom E wrote:
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Tom E wrote:
Yea, the Wurkkos TS21 is about the worse I've ever seen, ever, for parasitic drain from the switch LED, and it's high in general. The Astrolux EC06 made by Sofirn is also terrible. Also the SC31 Pro and Q8 Pro also have high drain from the switch LED - all this shouldn't be, it's avoidable.</p>
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<p>Very strange, I have the EC06 and TS21 and the parasitic drain was very low. I would have to check again, but it was nothing I needed to mention in each review</p>
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<p>The TS21 is only radically high with the switch LED on high and must be the newer batch with the amber LED.&nbsp;</p>
<p>For the EC06 I measured 2500&nbsp;µA with switch LED on high, and 120&nbsp;µA with it OFF. Even 120&nbsp;µA is high - this number should be 20-40&nbsp;µA. If it's greater than 40&nbsp;µA, there's some other source of leakage in the circuit and I'm only seeing this extra leakage in USB-C charging circuit designs, not that they all leak, but many of the new SOFIRN ones are.</p>
<p>With the switch LED on high at 2500 µA drain, it would take 200 days (12000/2.5 = 4800)) to drain fully charged cells.</p>
<p>With the switch LED&nbsp;OFF at&nbsp;120 µA drain, it would take 11.5 years to drain fully charged cells (12000/0.120 = 100000 hours), but for one cell it's 3.8 years, and if the cell is already drained to 25% capacity, it's less than one year. So this doesn't sound like much drain, but it's still 3-4 times more than it should or could be, and there may be a simple fix for this. There's no reason for the charging circuit to be running anything that takes power.</p>
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Thanks Tom E for reporting about the high power consumption of the TS21 (Anduril 2 with powerbank, amber-orange switch LED) when the aux LED is set to "High".

I also tried to measure on my TS21 (my multi-meter with mA measurement is a sort of low-end multi-meter only, so may not be so accurate).

Anyway, sharing my measurements:

 

1) TS21 (Anduril 2, with powerbank function, amber-orange switch LED)
  Anduril aux-LED state on:
   'Off' = 0.11-0.13mA, shoots up to around 0.40mA (for less than 1 second) every 5-6 seconds
   'Low' = 0.18-0.19mA, shoots up to around 0.45mA (for less than 1 second) every 5-6 seconds
   'High' = 13.9mA, shoots up to around 14.2mA (for less than 1 second) every 5-6 seconds

2) TS21 (Anduril 1, no powerbank function, green switch LED)
  Anduril aux-LED state on:
   'Off' = 0.04mA, shoots up to around 0.31mA (for less than 1 second) every 5-6 seconds
   'Low' = 0.10mA, shoots up to around 0.36mA (for less than 1 second) every 5-6 seconds
   'High' = 3.1mA, shoots up to around 3.4mA (for less than 1 second) every 5-6 seconds


There's definitely a big difference in "High' state = almost 14mA (amber LED) while 3mA (green LED).

3mA seems to still be quite high, but a lot better than 14mA though..

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BOMBAY wrote:
no222 wrote:
Astrolux needs to start implementing metal switches if the plan on staying in the higher end market. Acebeam (best switches), Manker, Fenix, and Imalent all know what is up. METAL SWITCHES SHOULD BE THE STANDARD, FIGHTEH ME.

Manker has good switches? How do you know that because they look nice?

I quite like my U22 III switch. Solid and responsive but seems to have enough resistance as to not be prone to accidental activation.

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spamyak wrote:
BOMBAY wrote:
no222 wrote:
Astrolux needs to start implementing metal switches if the plan on staying in the higher end market. Acebeam (best switches), Manker, Fenix, and Imalent all know what is up. METAL SWITCHES SHOULD BE THE STANDARD, FIGHTEH ME.

Manker has good switches? How do you know that because they look nice?

I quite like my U22 III switch. Solid and responsive but seems to have enough resistance as to not be prone to accidental activation.

The switch on my U21 died very quickly but that was a long time ago and maybe Manker is making good switches now

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I have three Manker U11 with failed switches under the span of 6 months. Terrible design and QC.

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The switch on my U21 died very quickly but that was a long time ago and maybe Manker is making good switches now

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freeme wrote:

I have three Manker U11 with failed switches under the span of 6 months. Terrible design and QC.


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The switch on my U21 died very quickly but that was a long time ago and maybe Manker is making good switches now

Never had an issue with Mateminco switches. My Acebeam L16 sometimes used to double click instead of single click. Had a similar issue with the MH20GT which had a soft click and hard click single switch (not sure what it’s called)..and the GT mini switch…let’s not even talk about that.
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Oh yeah, thats what I’m talking about. Thumbs Up

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It looks quite similar to the “silver” WT90, which is also using three 21700 cells.

Will there be other body colours of this new light?

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Can i buy addt'l handle? 

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