The Magic Crytal LED Car Bulb review!

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HID focuses easier because the very light source (an electric arc that’s a few mm long) is optically close to the filament in the regular bulb. It does produce more glare simply because it’s much brighter. 100W H7 bulb will also produce more glare for the same reason.

Meanwhile with LEDs they are all optically different from halogen bulbs, they have higher surface with lower surface intensity, they have different shape etc. Side effects are very reflector dependant, some reflectors will focus better than others, some will produce more artefacts etc. Classic reflectors are much worse at dealing with LED retrofits than projector lenses.

My opinion based on 1 bulb in one reflector will mean much less than multiple tests you can find around the internet.

“Suspecting” is not a felony but it’s enough to stop you and/or take a loot. “HC” on the reflector and you will end up with a ticket.

Dom said that factory lenses can be brighter than retrofit HIDs. It’s very likely.

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phantom23,

This is thread where we strive to find the most suitable or should I say the best possible LED bulb for our car. We are on BLF after all. Here we(not me but there is certainly someone who knows something about that) should know more about that than internet and youtubers right?

Attitude where LED is not suitable as a retrofit or this is better than that, or like LED bulb is big problem for Law Enforcement Officers that will skin us alive will not lead us to proper car LED bulb selection.

Everybody can decide on their own whether to put LED bulb or not. In my case I have 0(zero) risk of doing that.

phantom23 wrote:
Dom said that factory lenses can be brighter than retrofit HIDs. It’s very likely.

Where Dom mentioned retrofitted HIDs? He said that factory HID is less bright than OEM Factory LED. So LED can be brighter after all…

DOMEHAVEN wrote:
I drive a 2015 Subaru with factory HIDs and find them much less bright than the newer model cars that sport the latest OEM LED headlights! Given the wild disparity of bright white LED and yellow halogens seen on the roads, I would think it unlikely that you would be pulled over with 6000K LED retrofits that were aimed properly! I have been driving my 2009 Kawaski Concours with twin retrofitted LED bulbs for several years, never got stopped except the time I was speeding way over the limit. nary a mention of my headlamps!

So to be back on topic look at the pics of costumers that bought same Car “Magic Crystal” LED:

How that looks to your eyes?

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luminarium iaculator wrote:
How that looks to your eyes?

That looks awful. Don’t want to have that car approaching me.
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The fact that we’re on BLF doesn’t mean we should encourage dangerous behaviour.

As for the pictures – glare galore with LED, the second picture is terryfying – there’s no cutoff line, just one massive light glow illuminating trees and everything around. That’s dangerous.

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How that looks to your eyes?
That looks awful. Don’t want to have that car approaching me.

Look that from brighter side of life.

Someone has Xenon or HID and blinds everybody on a road and on the other hand you have ability to install something like in above mentioned photo (which is still a lot weaker than factory Xenon or HID). That could be called as “equalization”.

phantom23

I still think that you are exaggerating about safety. Above are randomly picked photos and I don’t know whether they are high or low beam. They look perfectly fine to my eyes without any blindspots as I could see with plenty of other 2 sided LED bulbs.

Here is another photo of “Magic Crystal” in newer Škoda Octavia:

Phantom in one of his post stated that “Magic Crystal” will be less bright than classic halogen. Well it surely does not look like that LOL

Really, really looking forward for that. The last pic with Skoda is something what I can expect in my car since they are within same VW VAG group (VW,Skoda, Seat, Audi). By judging that picture it looks as it should look and can pass Car inspection without any problem.

I guess phantom23 could also find errors in that beam pattern? LOL

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it does not matter how it is aimed, “fake” leds or hid are clearly distinguishable. it is very easy to spot them. they do blind oncoming traffic as well as those in front of you. all true, but can we please NOT turn into “the other” forum????
as far as laws: Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108 (FMVSS 108) regulates all automotive lighting, signalling and reflective devices in the United States.

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it is not the brightest you need to look for, but the one that works best with your headlight, which kit that is… that is only possible to answer if someone who had tried several of them on exact car as yours. which will not be easy to find, otherwise you’ll have to try few and see how they work. or more like , if you like how they work, cuz none will worked properly with optics that were not designed for the light source. but if you insist of swapping, this will be how you find the best for you.
several years ago i read that certain kind of leds worked great, so i got those exact lights, installed them, and they worked worse than what i had before. so what is good in one man’s opinion, is unacceptable for another guy

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I picked best two costumer photos I found on Aliexpress regarding “Magic Crystal LED” bulb (it can be bought under 4 different retailers, different OEM but they are same)

Projector headlights or optics in close valley (Sharp borders of aspheric lenses are clearly seen):

Reflector headlights:

They both look like short light beam? If I’ll judge photos they both look perfectly fine. Since I am aspherics fan first one looks much better with sharper borders but I have reflector headlights so mine will probably look like bottom one with wider spread…

alpg88,

This one seems like universal fit as you can see by photos.

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luminarium iaculator wrote:

alpg88,

This one seems like universal fit as you can see by photos.

yes, they will all physically fit, but they will all work different with different optics, and since the optic was not build for those, the beam quality will differ from car to car.

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alpg88 wrote:
it does not matter how it is aimed, “fake” leds or hid are clearly distinguishable. (…) they do blind oncoming traffic as well as those in front of you.

If they did, they wouldn’t get type approval. So I think that properly done LED bulbs are close enough to halogen for that to be a non-issue.
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luminarium iaculator][quote=SammysHP wrote:
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How that looks to your eyes?

Someone has Xenon or HID and blinds everybody on a road and on the other hand you have ability to install something like in above mentioned photo (which is still a lot weaker than factory Xenon or HID). That could be called as “equalization”.

HID retrofit can blind others due to sheer brightness. LEDs are dimmer but it doesn’t mean there’s less glare – due to different optical characteristics and artifacts there can be much more glare! Like in your picture!
luminarium iaculator][quote=SammysHP wrote:
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How that looks to your eyes?

I still think that you are exaggerating about safety. Above are randomly picked photos and I don’t know whether they are high or low beam. They look perfectly fine to my eyes without any blindspots as I could see with plenty of other 2 sided LED bulbs.

Your eyes are wrong, they look horrible! There are tonnes of glare in both puctires.

Yes, who cares about safety, right? There are nowhere near accidents on the roads right now, we should die more!

luminarium iaculator wrote:

Phantom in one of his post stated that “Magic Crystal” will be less bright than classic halogen.

I said they can provide shorter range as that’s usually the cse with LED retrofits.
luminarium iaculator wrote:

The last pic with Skoda is something what I can expect in my car since they are within same VW VAG group (VW,Skoda, Seat, Audi). By judging that picture it looks as it should look and can pass Car inspection without any problem.

I guess phantom23 could also find errors in that beam pattern? LOL


Being in the same manufacturer group says NOTHING about the optical characteristics of the reflector.

That beam patters is horrible as well, there’s monstrous glare that illuminates entire house and a tree in front of it.

You will not pass the inspection for one more reason – those bulbs have fans and they’re pretty loud. Guy performing the inspection will spot it right away.

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it does not matter how it is aimed, “fake” leds or hid are clearly distinguishable. (…) they do blind oncoming traffic as well as those in front of you.
If they did, they wouldn’t get type approval. So I think that properly done LED bulbs are close enough to halogen for that to be a non-issue.

lmao, whose approval?

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Yes of course. We already mentioned that variables at the beginning of this thread.

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If they did, they wouldn’t get type approval. So I think that properly done LED bulbs are close enough to halogen for that to be a non-issue.

As I said some reflectors are more forgiving than others but it has to be a specific bulb-reflector combination, every single combo has to be certified separately.
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Phantom23,

You are mentioning glare. “Glare” or “useful spill” coming out of the reflector light is there. You can’t bypass natural halo effect of reflector headlight!
Considering that this on pictures is 6500k cold white tint of Osram LED it is not “Glary” at all.

You can always choose neutral or even warm LED tint for less glare so again I don’t see any problem with either type of beams on upper photos, and one more proof of LED superiority to Halogen bulbs, and the people who like halogens can choose LED bulb with warm tint

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manithree wrote:

Can you provide a link to the federal statute that makes those illegal in the US?

I can’t point to the exact statute, but it is illegal to modify factory DOT-approved headlights Replacing the halogen bulb that were in the lights when they were approved with an led or any other type of lamp for that matter, is looked at as modifying. The bulb has to state that it is DOT approved and/or (?) state SAE Certified. There are a very few sellers of led replacement bulbs in the US that do state the led bulbs they sell are only sold for off road use.

Yes, the US has always been slow to adopt improved headlights. EU used halogen bulb headlights years, decades, before they were legal in the US.

Under US law it is not even legal to install one of the improved EU headlights in an US registered vehicle, even if it fits, unless it is US-approved. This is really too bad as some EU-rated cars have vastly superior headlights.

The recently passed infrastructure bill has a mention of within two years the headlight rules must be ammended. We’ll see. Meanwhile, there are already millions of illegal led headlights sold and presumed installed. And nearly every evening that I may be out in the dark I think I meet some of them on the highway.

I drive a lot at night, you can spot the mods right away… usually so far out of adjustment and angry blue. I do wish for better headlights, but I will not blind the other driver like they blind me.

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luminarium iaculator wrote:
Phantom23,

You are mentioning glare. “Glare” or “useful spill” coming out of the reflector light is there. You can’t bypass natural halo effect of reflector headlight!
Considering that this on pictures is 6500k cold white tint of Osram LED it is not “Glary” at all.


It’s not useful spill, it’s called glare. It’s blinding the oncoming traffic. Color temperature has nothing to do with it.

luminarium iaculator wrote:

Phantom in one of his post stated that “Magic Crystal” will be less bright than classic halogen. Well it surely does not look like that LOL

It does:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-46mYRcl2g
23:07 – H7 halogen – 1470lux
34:11 – noname crystal #1 – 1080lux
35:18 – noname crystal #2 – 760 lux

They are crap.

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when i installed so called cree bulbs (they had cree cxa led, but the whole thing was not made by cree) in my 2013 accord, i noticed right away that signs in my underground garage that i used to see with my stock halogens, i could no longer see with new leds, the headlights lost their aim, and light was everywhere, like a flood light, I took them off, returned, and never bought any kit again. now more and more cars come standard with leds, so in 10-15 years we’ll forget about these lights like we forgot about cd changers in cars. and aftermarket audio in general.

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phantom23 wrote:
luminarium iaculator wrote:
Phantom23,

You are mentioning glare. “Glare” or “useful spill” coming out of the reflector light is there. You can’t bypass natural halo effect of reflector headlight!
Considering that this on pictures is 6500k cold white tint of Osram LED it is not “Glary” at all.


It’s not useful spill, it’s called glare. It’s blinding the oncoming traffic. Color temperature has nothing to do with it.

luminarium iaculator wrote:

Phantom in one of his post stated that “Magic Crystal” will be less bright than classic halogen. Well it surely does not look like that LOL

It does:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-46mYRcl2g
23:07 – H7 halogen – 1470lux
34:11 – noname crystal #1 – 1080lux
35:18 – noname crystal #2 – 760 lux

They are crap.

Phantom23,

Nice find man! Thumbs Up Man nothing against you but I have to inform you that you are wrong again Grad

Why?
Ok at 23:07 you have H7 halogen in projector type of headlightwith 147 on light meter or 1470lux BUT:

at 39:15 you have real “Magic Crystal” light but this one is with Cree emitter and we all know that Osram is far better than Cree at emitter surface brightness…
But no matter for that Cyclon LED type 35 (“Magic Crystal” with Cree emitter) is better than halogen as you can see lux meter going more than 155! Or 1550lux! Beer

Nice find man. I appreciate that. Now I know I will receive “right stuff”. Thumbs Up

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So you didn’t get what’s in the video. There are three types of reflectors: H4, H7 and H11 based. Only H4 and H7 were tested with halogen bulbs. The last type of “crystal” (over 39 minute mark) was tested in a different reflector than previous ones so the result is not comparable. It produced ugly distorted beam that was much dimmer than “Cyclone type-38” LED retrofit.

luminarium iaculator wrote:
we all know that Osram is far better than Cree at emitter surface brightness…

It has nothing to do with the brand, both offer multiple types of LEDs that vary a lot when it somes to brightness, intensity etc.
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phantom23,

I got everything I needed to know from the video… Thanks for video again Thumbs Up Lets start:

- I ordered Osram type of “Magic Crystal” LED 60W version which differs from tested subject on youtube and it should be at least 20% brighter(if not more) than in Russian video. But ok even if it will be same intensity as Halogen that is still good…

- Osram LED really has higher surface brightness than Cree emitters(hint look at Djozz tests), and they have furthest throwing emitters and the best final finish of emitters on a market.

- From that test you can actually see how much better are LED bulbs comparing to halogen as you mentioned “Cyclone type-38” which is 2 sided led emitter bulb which produce 4500lux on that test!

But 2 sided LED Cyclone type-38 is giving distorted beam with blinds spots while Cyclone 35(Magic Crystal) gives even and much nicer beam as it is 360 degree light / less intense light but nicer imho.

What that means:
- It should not have any focusing issues/without blindspots in a beam
- It should stay within lux regulation laws since it is just bit better than halogen
- It should also produce less glare than 2 sided led brother

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You took this 20% number out of your bum. You have no reason to say it will be any brighter than Cree. Or halogen because the H7 variant was much dimmer than halogen.

One domeless Osram LED has higher surface brightness than Cree LEDs which were designed to be domed. That’s not the emitter used in LED retrofits. Multiple other Osram LEDs have much lower surface brightness.

Cyclone 38 produced good cutoff line with quite even hotspot right underneath. Meanwhile Cyclone 35 produced wider and discolored cutoff followed by misshaped hotspot (split in 2 light rays) which was 5-10cm below the cutoff line. Cyclone 35 gave the worst beam profile in the entire test.

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phantom23 wrote:
You took this 20% number out of your bum. You have no reason to say it will be any brighter than Cree. Or halogen because the H7 variant was much dimmer than halogen.

You are right. I hope it will be brighter. That is currently one of the most expensive LED bulb set on aliexpress. Where did you seen in a video that H7 variant was much dimmer than halogen? I saw it is much better.

phantom23 wrote:
One domeless Osram LED has higher surface brightness than Cree LEDs which were designed to be domed. That’s not the emitter used in LED retrofits. Multiple other Osram LEDs have much lower surface brightness.

It is less likely that Cree would beat Osram.
phantom23 wrote:
Cyclone 38 produced good cutoff line with quite even hotspot right underneath. Meanwhile Cyclone 35 produced wider and discolored cutoff followed by misshaped hotspot (split in 2 light rays) which was 5-10cm below the cutoff line. Cyclone 35 gave the worst beam profile in the entire test.

That test is only relevant for lux results observation and beam pattern of projector headlight or headlight with lens. We yet have to see performance in reflector car headlight.

If you say that in your book Cyclone 38 looks better than ok… We are talking about car LED bulbs in this thread. You have right for your opinion. Beer

But single emitter of “Magic Crystal” has cooling advantage. It has only one emitter on lets say 20mm DTP MCPCB. From Aliexpress test it draws 5A out of 12V power supply and that is good…

I would rather want safer and cooler light than more powerful multi-emitter light driven on higher amperage which produce much more heat and should logically have higher failure rate…

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Say what ya want about cops not knowing but my dad is a former mechanic (40+years) and now a local constable. He will pull ya over, write a fine, and have your car towed for running illegal lights. He has Nyctalopia (as well as I) and don’t take well to illegal lights trying to run him off the road.

He also write up the a holes running off road lights on the road at night. Those guys throw too big of d bag he has also called in the game warden to nail them for spot lighting wildlife. Far more goes into that than just a fine.

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As much as I love leds and what can be accomplished with them, they are an absolute horrible idea for retrofitting into a reflector housing that was not designed for them. There’s a good reason they’re illegal in many places, whether or not it gets enforced (around here it does not, unless they’re blue/purple/etc), whether or not someone is actually caught or fined. The glare on almost all of them is really atrocious and they do NOT light up better or further than the halogens the fixtures were designed for. There are illusions to the eye, yes, and some of that comes from glare (that affects other drivers, but not you), and some of that comes from the change in color temp. I bought some of the newer gen a few years ago (no light pipe but a much better approach to orientation and die size than most of them) and it was a big mistake. My lenses were nice and clear, not all all yellowed or crazed (that’s very important), adjusted correctly and checked carefully to book specs, and I still got flashed by several drivers in the two nights I had them installed. Downroad visibility was the same or slightly worse, could see a little more to both sides and right in front of the bumper, but overall it was not an improvement and honestly the 6000K-ish got a little tiresome on my eyes when driving in rural areas. I did notice that reflective street and traffic signs were a lot brighter and would light up from farther away…which told me right away there was a ton of glare to others even if my eyes couldn’t make it out as well just looking at the beams. Took those out pretty fast. Got a new car after that with projectors and tried the same bulb design…no improvement although the housing of course did better in terms of glare. Went back to the halogens.

Factory LEDs seem to be either really good or just decent, depends on whose they are. The cold white temp is awful, though, and I seem to hear more and more that people do not like them as much, especially in rain and fog. I think LEDs will arrive sometime soon and hopefully they will adopt a warmer temp in the 4000K-4500K range.

But if you have reflector housings, please just skip the LED bulbs for them. Looks cool, might look better in urban areas if you don’t care about other drivers’ vision, but just clean up the lenses (or replace the housings if they’re really bad) and put some new halogens in. That is a huge improvement for many cars and people don’t realize how “dirty” their old lenses and bulbs were until they see crystal clear again.

Lots of previous threads here on BLF (and on CPF, but older) and almost everyone seems to agree that they’re not a good choice, and why. If you have to find out for yourself, just do the best you can for a proper installation (like a real proper installation) and take your chances. I know upgrade kits, if available for your car, and super expensive and very involved to install, but that’s really the way to go if you just can’t live with your halogen.

My polite two cents and experience.

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Same like someone posting to all, “What flashlight should I get?”, and my first reply is usually, “Whaddya gonna DO wittit?”.

Do youse want to see farther downrange, like a spot? More light tossed to the periphery? Etc.?

 

Back in the day, even when I was running my 90W/130W H4s, I never got flashed. And aside from illuminating some asshats, never ever even had to flick on my brights, either. But I did want more “reach” out into the darkness.

As opposed to the 4464s or whatever they were, that tossed little sissy-weenie dots of yellow light a few dozen feet ahead of me, my H4s laid down a nice white blanket of light in front of me. The stock halogens were little better than ancient sealed-beams, and certainly had no “sharp cutoff” to speak of. You just aimed ‘em where you wanted those sissy-weenie dots of light.

The H4s had a nice cutoff, ‘though with a few “devil-horns” sticking up, and you aimed ‘em straight ahead. Noice.

But I still wanted that “reach”, especially on a deserted highway.

And that’s where those Harbor Freight driving lights came in. Silly little anæmic 55W capsule, but the reflector focused that into a nice tight pencil-beam that was a true pain in the ass to aim. I’d stick around after dark, aim at the big blank wall clear across the lot, and spend the better part of an hour aiming the f’n things. (Loosen, aim, tighten, mutter obscenities because tightening pulled it out of aim, rinse’n‘repeat.)

But it was oh so worth it!

The bottom of the beam would barely skim across the asphalt in front, and the beam would be a nice tight spot waaay far out. Even if a car would be coming way way out in the distance, the beam was dim enough to not be bothersome, and as it closed in, the hotspot would then be below the driver. Never ever got flashed, and I rode with them on pretty much all the time except for local/lit roads where they weren’t needed.

They also lit up cops’ retroreflective paint like the car was on fire, too. LOL

 

Oh, and the whole point was to ask what’s the intended use, and see if it can all be done in one light (LED or otherwise) or would it just be easier to stick aux lighting to do what you want.

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The factory lights on my sedan were dim and and I switched them out for LEDs a few years back. The beam pattern was very similar to my halogens because of the projector housing. They helped me see a lot better, though they don’t work as well when it’s raining. The 5700K is cooler than I like, but it seems very hard to find neutral 5000K or warm LEDs. If I could find a decent 3000K-4000K replacement, I’d definitely get those.

I don’t recommend putting LEDs in any reflector headlights or SUVs. I don’t think there is any way to focus them properly in reflectors.

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X Ray wrote:

I ordered some GTR Ultra series 2.0 led headlights. They should be here tomorrow. They’re supposed to be as good as it gets for led headlights. I’ll give my opinion on them once they’re installed. 


Every manufacturer says their product is as good as it gets.
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But I did want more “reach” out into the darkness.

You will not get more reach without re-aiming your headlights up. That’s the thing – different bulbs can give you more light, not more distance because that’s not how reflectors work.
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phantom23 wrote:
 Every manufacturer says their product is as good as it gets.

Really? Thanks for stating the obvious. From what I'm seeing in reviews from people that own them, and have owned others, these are top notch. Maybe they're as good as people are saying they are...maybe not. Like I said, I'll give my opinion when they're installed. 

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