What's the un-leakiest battery? (non rechargeable ie CHEAP)

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What's the un-leakiest battery? (non rechargeable ie CHEAP)
carbon-zinc
11% (2 votes)
heavy-duty carbon zinc
26% (5 votes)
alkaline
63% (12 votes)
Total votes: 19

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What’s the device? What’s the storage conditions?

I don’t know why anyone would run disposable cells on most devices nowadays.

I’d vote for Primary Lithium if it’s cold and the cells will be used and thrown. Or Eneloop if you can get the cells to recharge them.

Carbon zinc and “heavy duty” carbon zinc have terrible capacity and are unable to supply any reasonable current.

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just looking for the ‘glove compartment’ use-case

rarely ever gets used, like i said – ‘shelf life’

do not want to recharge

do not want to get special lights for primary-lithium cells

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I heard the heavy duty is meaningless. Just marketing phrase.

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So i had to look it up:

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Zinc–carbon batteries are usually marketed as “general purpose” batteries.
Zinc-chloride batteries store around 1000 to 1500 mAh are often sold as “heavy duty” or “super heavy duty”.
Alkaline batteries from 1700 mAh to 2850 mAh cost more than zinc-chloride batteries, but hold additional charge.

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wle wrote:
What’s the un-leakiest battery? (non rechargeable ie CHEAP)
Bort wrote:
Eneloop

Wellp, I guess he can just toss ‘em without recharging ‘em…

Wouldn’t be cheap, though.

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do not want to get special lights for primary-lithium cells

You do not need a “special light” to use primary lithium cells (Energizer blue and silver)

You need a special light, charger and knowledge to get lithium-ion cells, which aren’t suitable for
tossing in a glove box and forgetting, anyhow. Don’t go there.

Energizer lithium primary or Eneloop NiMH are pretty reliable for not leaking, though your mileage may differ.

Any cell you forget about will eventually leak, given time.

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long-term?
CR123.

i have some 20-year-old ones
that are still close to a full charge.

obviously, they cost more initially.
just divide that cost by 20.

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wle wrote:
just looking for the 'glove compartment' use-case rarely ever gets used, like i said - 'shelf life' do not want to recharge do not want to get special lights for primary-lithium cells

 

A Primary Lithium cell is NOT rechargable. It is used in place of a Alkaline cell. Disposable. The 3.7 volt rechargeable lithium cells we use are known as secondary lithium cells

These are primaries

 

I have used these for years in things that sit un-used for long periods or operate outside in cold or hot weather. My experience has been excellent. No leaks and always ready. I have an old maglite AA that has been sitting since I joined BLF in 2015 as a "control". It still lights and the cells are clean and dry when I just removed them to look at.

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ok i know all that

does anyone have an answer for what i actually asked?

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You can’t get cheap for what you are asking, unless you are willing to chance having the cell leak and ruin the device by using a generic AA alkaline. (wasn’t sure if you understood primary / secondary)

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I keep my batteries outside flashlights kept in car.

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I keep a few energizer lithium AA around

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ok i know all that

does anyone have an answer for what i actually asked?

No good choice was included in your question.

I doubt you’ll meet anyone here who uses or would recommend carbon-zinc cells.
They’re cheap, weak, and short-lived bcause the chemistry dissolves the zinc can from the inside.

Wikipedia’s article on alkaline cells explains why they leak. I had to look it up.

Primary lithium AA and CR123 cells are well worth the cost, expecially if your cost comparison includes the likely cost of repairing or replacing a flashlight damaged by a leaky zarbon-zinc or alkaline cell every year or so.

None of us came here knowing all that. Remember people answering questions are thinking to inform not just the person who asked the question but anyone else out there who searches for the same question and answers, sometimes months or years later, so people may seem to be giving simple and obvious information in responses. It’s meant to help.

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I’ve had pretty good luck with Rayovac alkalines, personally. Better than the other two major brands.

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Lightbringer wrote:
wle wrote:
What’s the un-leakiest battery? (non rechargeable ie CHEAP)
Bort wrote:
Eneloop

Wellp, I guess he can just toss ‘em without recharging ‘em…

Wouldn’t be cheap, though.


I missed that but arguably NiMH is still the best answer as leaks from alkaline/carbon batteries often destroys the device they are installed in.
I have NiMH in my car for over 5 years that sees -30ºC to +60ºC (-22F to 140F). Still doing great, i recharge them once a year during which time they have not even drained much unless i used the light (which i tend not to).

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Sadly only two choices .. Neither of which are on the list .

 

- Lithium primary  AAA,AA or cr123  20 + years 

or 

- Low self discharge NIMH and charge it once a year 

 

 There are no good cheap alternatives and having junk batteries leak will cost you the price of the light 

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ok so this was a poll, not a teach and preach

no one knows, no one cares

0 response votes so far

lets keep the streak going

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What do you mean “0 response votes so far” I see votes; 5 in total.

One does have to vote to see the totals, or not be logged in at all I believe.

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MtnDon wrote:
What do you mean “0 response votes so far” I see votes; 5 in total.

One does have to vote to see the totals, or not be logged in at all I believe.

oh
i see now
i voted

alkaline seems to be the choice

but they are derided and assailed – “alkaleaks”

no one talks about “carbo-leaks”

i would have thought heavy dutys would be the unleakiest of the cheapiest

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wle wrote:
MtnDon wrote:
What do you mean “0 response votes so far” I see votes; 5 in total.

One does have to vote to see the totals, or not be logged in at all I believe.

oh
i see now
i voted

alkaline seems to be the choice

but they are derided and assailed – “alkaleaks”

no one talks about “carbo-leaks”

i would have thought heavy dutys would be the unleakiest of the cheapiest


In my experience alkalines have about a 25% chance of leakage over their lifetime.
I don’t use carbon-zinc batteries so cannot offer data on them.

If you have an Ikea nearby buy a package of cheap NiMH. More expensive than alkaline but much safer from leaking.

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i would have thought heavy dutys would be the unleakiest of the cheapiest

No. The HD part is marketing hype. Carbon zinc are junk.

Yes, some people use the term alkaleaks, because alkalines sometimes do.

Over many decades I have had many leaking alkalines. Most often in items that were not used often. Many times found a non-working light after it had sat in a drawer or some other storage for a time. Battery operated Xmas deco lights are bad for leaving alkies in one year to the next

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wle wrote:
ok so this was a poll, not a teach and preach

no one knows, no one cares

0 response votes so far

lets keep the streak going

Maybe because [we] can’t answer the poll, … why?
==> no choice in the poll fits as a correct answer to the question.

The “least worse” might be Alkaline though.

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PS, you will find a lot of inforation in previous threads, for example where you wrote this:

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wle I seem to have a ton of CR123A cells I would like to use up. I like a tiny light, and I’m tired of AAA alkalines leaking. This is for lights that sit by the bed, or in the car, they won’t get used much.

That seems to fit the use case you laid out in your early response above.

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hank wrote:
PS, you will find a lot of inforation in previous threads, for example where you wrote this:
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wle I seem to have a ton of CR123A cells I would like to use up. I like a tiny light, and I’m tired of AAA alkalines leaking. This is for lights that sit by the bed, or in the car, they won’t get used much.

That seems to fit the use case you laid out in your early response above.

right
i don’t want to buy more cr123a lights for this
i know what i am asking

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Well, I suggest the experiment —- buy three sub-$2 cheapie light, load with the three kinds of cheap cells you asked about, put them in your car’s glove compartment, and check back in a couple of years. I’d guess the answer to your poll will turn out to be “None of the above”

But in line with our host’s rule about avoiding divisive subjects, that’s enough from me. Bless your heart, I hope you find the answer you’re looking for.

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yeah i don;t want the BEST answer, i already know that

i want the NEXT BEST answer, lalso – if anyone knows

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Get alkalines as they are the best out of the three battery types you initially asked about. They can still leak, but will perform much better than the other two.

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To me, it is now a no-brainer that alkies are the best of the three choices given.

My first transistor radio, circa 1956, was ruined the year after I got it because the zinc cased cells that share the same chemistry as todays carbon-zinc cells leaked crap inside. I had left it at home with batteries inside over a summer 2 month absence. I was very upset.

That leak and damage was repeated with many assorted devices until I got smarter and switched to using alkalines. But even then I encountered a leak here, a leak there. Usually, the leaks and damage occurred with devices that were left sitting in a drawer or on a shelf and not used. Sometimes I could scrape and clean and salvage the item. Not always. Over the years I do believe alkalines have improved.

About 10 years ago I decided that I would use nothing but Energizer primary lithium AA and AAA cells unless I was using an Eneloop rechargable. That got an extra nudge because of the cold weather increase in performance. I have not had any of those cells leak.

We have two old wall clocks that don’t like eneloops for some reason. I use the primary energizer in them.

My anecdotal evidence would suggest strongly that primary lithium are best for disposable and that the next best would be alkalines. But they are still only next best.

I even switched the few workshop tools that run off a 9 volt battery to using the primary lithium versions after a timber moisture meter came close to being ruined by a alky 9 volt.

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I should correct myself. It appears that the cells sold as Heavy-duty are actually different than the other NON-HD types. They both use a zinc case but the chemicals in the HD last longer and provide a more stable voltage according to Wiki. But Wiki also states they leak because the chenical reaction uses up the zinc, thins the zinc case.

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