Is your EDC High CRI?

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Is your EDC High CRI?
Yes
71% (83 votes)
No
29% (34 votes)
Total votes: 117
Edited by: jon_slider on 01/12/2022 - 07:20
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High CRI is important to me, but the best emitters with a CRI of 70 to 80 typically output more light and produce less heat than emitters of higher CRI.

For that reason, I choose emitters with a CRI of 70 to 80.  :BEER:

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jon_slider wrote:

that seems to be a contradiction.. since High CRI means 90+, to me

so
I edited the poll to clarify that High CRI means 90+, not 70-80.

Re-read my entire post and you'll see that it's not a contradiction.

I'm saying that High CRI is important, but more light output and less heat production are more important.  :FACEPALM:

And frankly, just quoting part of my post like that is taking my words out of context.  :|

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Personally I notice green tints more than moderate CRI. So I find myself preferring say an XPL HI over a 219C; however, I just started experimenting with minus green filters. They have pros and cons, but a rosy SST20 4000k is a beautiful thing.

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jon_slider wrote:
raccoon city wrote:

I'm saying that High CRI is important, but more light output and less heat production are more important.

since lumens matter more to you than High CRI, you should vote choice #2.. or you are misunderstanding the question

I understand the question completely.

Maybe you should rewrite the question and the choices to choose from.

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jon_slider wrote:

I edited the poll choices to help you not be confused.

That's nice, but it doesn't change the choice I made in the poll.

Also, I'm not confused here.

EDIT:

I see that you changed the choices again.

I like the choices much better now.

Congrats on improving the wording of the poll.

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I don’t know exactly why some beams are just so much nicer than others but some just are. You know it when you see it. They just make everything warm and inviting. All my high CRI are the LH351Ds and none fit that category for me. Unless run on turbo they are generally green/grey looking to me. Not trying to be contradictory, just my opinion. I vote #2.

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I just ordered two high CRI LED flashlights, to experiment, but I don’t think it matters unless you’re in the woods. And a recent post by fogfwar (https://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1833348#comment-1833348) showed to me that CRI alone isn’t the “be all, end all” of the flashlight world.

And like raccoon city pointed, even though CRI might be important, efficiency is also something that cannot be ignored.

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I’ve always viewed them as tools to see things in the dark.

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I chose no and I stand by that. However, I like a high CRI light and certainly don’t think that more lumen is always the answer. Tint and beam are where its at Cool

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My eyesight is so bad that yes it matters to me. I find that having the best color definition really makes up for some discrepancies.

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KR4, SST-20 FA3 4000k (favorite!)
FW3A, Nichia 4000k sw40 r9080 (second favorite)
FW1A, LH351D 3500k (third favorite)
FW1A, XP-L Hi 3A
FW3A, LH351D 3500k
FW3A, SST20 FD2 4000k
FW3A, Cree XP-L Hi 5A3
Emisar D4V2, SST20 4000k
Emisar D4V2, brass E21A 3500k (night light of choice)

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only 100+ CRI for me

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I voted Yes
because I do not need bright light
I need nice light

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I voted yes, but I need high CRI only at close to mid range. I don’t care when it comes to throwers.

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It depends on the light. For general use, EDC, and headlamps, I want high CRI. For throwers & mega flooders, low CRI is fine.

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Depends on the use case. Not important for walking the dog, outdoor activity, running, working etc. Lumens and sustainability is often more desireable. But we agree, the sw45k is highly pleasureable. I also like the sw50 of the TIP CRI. Nice keychain light.

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Hi cri is extremely important to me but so is cct and form factor,clip ect and the UI and the beam pattern. Sometimes we must make sacrifices. 80 cri is about my current bottom limit. I edc two lights. My primary is 4000k and 92+ cri and the secondary light is 4000k and 82 cri. I have many others that are higher or lower that I use for brief periods but certainly not daily. Sometimes I pull some out to use for specific tasks just to remind myself of why I don’t like them. Or if I get a new light a bunch will come out for testing in the house and in the backyard.

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I prefer high CRI. Back when I got hooked on lights I did want the most lumens I could have. It was just a thrill after the previous low output, mass market, cheapy lights I had. It took a while but my preference for higher CRI grew and grew. But I willingly make do with lower CRI throwers.

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You only live once.  High CRI for me.  It actually helps with decisions since it eliminates so many choices.

How soon we forget all our lights used to be 100 CRI.  It's like people who get used to low bitrate MP3 files.  It still sucks, regardless of your perception.

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robertsig wrote:
It’s like people who get used to low bitrate MP3 files.  It still sucks, regardless of your perception.

A good way to find out how crappy your existing MP3 collection is, is to get a decent headphone amp and a nice set of monitors.

You’ll definitely have a hard time enjoying low bitrate MP3s then. I went through this. And again when I started collecting vinyl.

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Not to get too far off topic, but it's the same with audiophile equipment and TV's.  You'll have people spending thousands on quality audio gear and the latest OLED TV, only to use 80 CRI bulbs in their house.  I don't fault them though - that's all most stores carry.  But if you're a member of THIS forum....

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For as long as us consumers are willing to buy more and better flashlights, CRI will increasingly be a part of the mix. The average Dept. store manager looks at sales and finds that customers seem to like the newer high CRI lights, even if it’s a subconscious choice. Profit drives innovation. If the consumer can get a better flashlight than the one sitting in the kitchen drawer when it wears out, why not, especially if it doesn’t cost much more. Personally I’m looking to get one of those new x-ray flashlights. Turn it on and see your bones (smile).

So, to sum it up and in my opinion, higher CRI beams are on the way. Maybe one day there will be a small high output zoomie that has no artifacts/aberrations, with perfect intensity across the beam, with sunlight CRI, and a small nuclear battery that lasts for a hundred years. Hahaha, outlandish dreamers get the cherry pie and whipped cream right?

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CRI is an important factor for me when I choose my flashlights.

… but only up to a point.

  • For example: I recently tried out my old Zebralight SC62D. It’s high-CRI… but at only 200 lumens, the beam is vastly inferior to my 80-CRI SC62w which produces well over 1,000 lumens.
  • I’ll go for high CRI if I can get it in the correct tint, and if I don’t sacrifice too much output. I’m willing to sacrifice maybe 1/3 of the max output to get high-CRI. But if I have to sacrifice more than that I’ll probably just get the lower CRI option.
  • It should be noted that even among “low CRI” there is considerable variation. 65 CRI may look horrible, but 80 CRI can look pretty good.
  • For some specialist lights, low-CRI is the superior option. Oslon White 1 in a dedicated thrower for example.

When it comes to high-CRI, I prefer certain LEDs:

  • SST-20 4000K is my favorite, but unless you get a really good bin most are unpleasantly greenish. To date, the best I’ve found were the FD2 bin sold by Kaidomain from their previous reel. What they’re currently selling as FD2 must be from a new reel. They claim it is also FD2, but the leds from it look greenish and nothing like the ones from their previous reel. I don’t think they’re really FD2. Unfortunately, I don’t know of any source that sells proper FD2 bin LEDs that don’t look greenish at present.
  • LH351D is ok, but I’m not a huge fan since R9 is low and the beam pattern is a bit too floody. Slicing it solves the flood, but does nothing for the lousy R9.
  • Nichia 219C is ok. A bit less output than LH351D, but has a pleasant beam pattern and adequate output. R9 isn’t great though.
  • I do not like Nichia 219B… and that includes SW45K others on BLF like so much. The sacrifice in output is simply too great. Every time I try Nichia 219B in a light, I end up taking it right out again as I can’t stand the low output.
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Its a juggling act, in flashlights i want lumens. But low CRI (like 65) sucks.
In recent years getting 80 CRI or higher is achievable and you can still get lots of lumens.
My beater light is an FC11 with the high CRI and 1200 lumens, a good EDC.

But in a specialty light like max throw or most lumens i will sacrifice CRI for more brightness.
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I didn’t think CRI would matter much to me, but surprisingly it makes a big difference when working on something. The contrast, perspective, and ease on the eyes is markedly improved with high CRI emitters like the SST-20 4000K, LH351D 4000K and 5000K. Now, high CRI is a requirement for me on new lights.

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If it ain’t high CRI, I don’t want it. If compared to low cri leds the differences will be almost unnoticeable, bit more uglier lumens, but quality before quantity. Sure there is good low cri emitters too just because their tint is nice and most throwy leds are low cri, but still high CRI is the king.

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90+ CRI is important to me but it’s more than just CRI that matter. The DUV must be below the BBL otherwise even if it was 100 CRI with positive DUV (Green tint), I still would not buy.

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Sure, for 99% of situations I use a light for there isn’t a tradeoff. High CRI LEDs are available in color temperatures I like that are bright enough to meet my needs, so no need to waste time with something that isn’t. I EDC a D4V2, and it spends most of it’s time set from 50-100 lumens if I had to guess. On the rare occasions I need more output (I think I’ve only actually NEEDED a thrower twice in my life) I can grab a light that meets that need.

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Lotus_Darkrose wrote:
And again when I started collecting vinyl.

Yup. Vinyl is compressed, just physically not digitally.

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Lotus_Darkrose wrote:
robertsig wrote:
It’s like people who get used to low bitrate MP3 files.  It still sucks, regardless of your perception.

A good way to find out how crappy your existing MP3 collection is, is to get a decent headphone amp and a nice set of monitors.

You’ll definitely have a hard time enjoying low bitrate MP3s then. I went through this. And again when I started collecting vinyl.

Not sure if this is such a great example for flashlights. I have a bunch of old vinyl that I took care of back in the day and a reasonably good turntable and cartridge. Have nothing digital that comes close for sound quality. (I know it does exist, I just don’t own anything that high end.) I know that the mp3 and even AIFF files that I have on my computer and phone, which I can play through the same amp and speakers as the vinyl, just won’t have the full audio quality of decent vinyl. Would I give up listening to music on my phone with OK headphones? Absolutely NOT! Way too many additional benefits for one deficit.

While CRI is not my top factor in choosing a light, when it is combined with a pleasant tint and good optics, you just get a better light with no meaningful downside. Sure there are applications where this may not always be true but for most flashlights it is. I have about 100 vinyl albums worth of songs on my phone. I have about 100 vinyl albums in my office. Truly enjoy listening to music and using my flashlights while walking the dogs. Bringing along 100 albums for the quality of audio…

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Definitely high cri for me. Ever since I build my 219b S2+ I don’t want low cri anymore. Lumens is bragging rights, cri is usability imo.

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