Convoy C8+ SFT40 & M21A SFT40 LED

I bought the Convoy M21A SFT40 (12 groups) and it preforms really well in both throw and output. I prefer the smaller version C8+ for the size and assumed it would preform the same in a slightly smaller form factor.

I bought the Convoy C8+ SFT40 (12 groups) and it doesn't perform as well. It's not bad, but the output is lower. Maybe the M21A has a P4 bin and the C8+ a N3 bin SFT40. I can't explain why the maximum output would be so different.

I don't know if I should risk buying an other C8+ SFT40 and hope for a better bin or if there is something off with my current C8+. I believe both lights use the same reflector and driver.

What batteries are you using in both?

Do you have a light meter to measure the difference?

I am using my Efest 18650 IMR, 20A max continuous discharge. C8+

0180, 2000 on ceiling bounce test

M21A SFT 40, 21700 Shockli 22A max continuous discharge

0250, 2000 on ceiling bounce test.

I used the Efest 18650 in the M21A and it has the same reading of 0250, 2000 on the ceiling bounce test. I don't think the battery is the problem based upon this test.

How old are each of those batteries? Do you have any other 18650’s you can try and see what numbers you get?

What are the units for those numbers you list?

I tried the 18650 battery in the M21A and get the same result as the 21700 bettery. It's unlikely to be the battery. The M21A shows a higher output from my lux meter. I don't need it to see the output difference.

I tried other 18650 cells, 20A cells and it's the same output for the C8+ and M21A. Based upon this it is not the 18650 batteries.

Are both bypassed spring and driver side? Are you able to post a picture of both drivers, spring side will do.

-Is the difference quite notable as well as measurable?

I think I read somewhere that the 6amp 17mm (c8+) and the 20mm (m21a) are not actually exactly the same output (the 20mm being a little above and the 17mm a little below). I am not 100% sure of this though.

I don’t have any sense of the scale of the difference, but the above could account for it if it’s not too dramatic.-

If your wanting a higher output c8+ the ramping driver is capable of closer to 8 amps I think. Although it has an unusual UI and no thermal protection. I have one and love it, but look into it first if you get one!

Edit: ignore this, see below, they are different drivers. Still true about looking at ramping driver for potential higher output.

About driver variation.

Actually, scratch that, the c8+ is listed with only a 5000mA 12 gro UI p driver vs 6000mA for the m21a. They are both 12 groups but have different max outputs.

I will buy the ramping driver option and thank you for your reply.

Yes the output between my C8+ and M21A is noticeable to the eye and the higher lux readings confirm this. The M21A is brighter. I though both the C8+ and M21A was using a 6amp driver? Maybe that is wrong?

I have tried creating an account on 2 image hosing sites; but they are being very slow sending the verification code.

Thank you for your reply.

No problem, I thought so to but looked up they are actually rated differently (5 vs 6 amps). Yeah I like the ramping driver but it’s not a normal ramping driver. It really just allows you to preset three custom levels accessed with 1, 2, or 3 half presses directly.

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I hope this helps

That explains it. I hope they offer a 6000mA for the C8+ in the future.

Thank you for your help. I completely missed that.

If i go for the ramping driver for the C8+ SFT40. Will that be 6000mA using a 20A continuous discharge 18650?

Yeah they’re different drivers, that’s the issue.

You could put an A6 driver in the C8+, that should see you a decent bump in output.

I have no idea where to buy the A6 driver, but I will look into it Thank you; this place is the best.

This review found it running at 6amps with a 30q cell.

My knowledge of the effect of different cell and emitter forward voltages on current is a bit limited to comment with too much certainty here, but I am under the impression it definitely runs at a higher current than the 5amp one with any decent cell. I’ve seen measurements between 6 and 8 amps with an sst40. Once Simon’s Convoy store opens again you can order the driver by itself to swap if your happy soldering.

I can order from Simon, that's excellent news and the Samsung 30Q 18650 cells are 15amp continuous discharge. I have the Samsung 30Q cells too.

I can solder, so it shouldn't be a problem. Thank you for all your help and the review of the Convoy C8+ using the Osram KW CULPM1.TG was very helpful.

Hi, have you swapped in the C8+ ramping driver? If so how is the output compared to M21A?

It didn't turn out well and doesn't compare to the M21A.

I have been trying to source either 7 or 8 amp driver, but it has been difficult to find a suitable driver. I will get one sooner or later and will have it tested at the lab with an intergrating sphere.