【Brass on Sale】Wurkkos TS10 "slender waist" 14500 triple LEDs Light with Anduril 2.0

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Thanks, TS10 MAO ordered!

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Brass version will in 3000K
Awesome, thank you!
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Thanks ordered a MAO Thumbs Up I intend to try to give it a Stormtrooper makeover…..

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Got a TS10 MAO ice blue. Kinda glad I hold out until now.
The one and only batch right?

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G0OSE wrote:
Thanks ordered a MAO Thumbs Up I intend to try to give it a Stormtrooper makeover…..

Go on…?
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TMaxxJJ wrote:
G0OSE wrote:
Thanks ordered a MAO Thumbs Up I intend to try to give it a Stormtrooper makeover…..

Go on…?

You’ll have to wait and see lol, bit of a Star wars fan, moreso Stormtroopers lol, this MAO basically white….. I’ll see when it arrives.
Maybe something in this kind of style, but with more Stormtrooper helmet colours/accents
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G0OSE wrote:
You’ll have to wait and see lol, bit of a Star wars fan, moreso Stormtroopers lol, this MAO basically white….. I’ll see when it arrives.

Haha ok! I look forward to it
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story wrote:
Got a TS10 MAO ice blue. Kinda glad I hold out until now.
The one and only batch right?

yes, do not want to try on TS10 anymore Facepalm
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When will MAO White be available on Aliexpress?

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Do these versions already have all the bugs fixed?

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Thanks for the update, bought one right away.
It is nice to hear about the challenges in the manufacturing process. Would love to see more about the micro-arc oxidation process, how it works and the challenges it presents.
Does anyone know about a good video on it?

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HuNT wrote:
When will MAO White be available on Aliexpress?

link update :
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256804526274408.html?spm=5261.ProductMa...

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Ordered TS10 MAO 4000K
I wonder if I made mistake ordering orange aux, instead of red /blue, that would come probably better with the white MAO.

What's the spec of the wurkkos 14500? MAX Amp on sustained discharge and charge?          

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Ordered a MAO with red aux, thanks.

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maba wrote:
Do these versions already have all the bugs fixed?

I have the same question. Do the ones shipping now have updated firmware? Do the aux lights stay on all the time and when primaries are on? Thanks

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MoreHiCRILumens wrote:
I have difficulties understand this:
“ignore the protection of the coating during the second machining process, some flashlights have some minor flaws, so selling MAO at a lower price”

Does that try to say that there is no extra coating of protective layer?

And because I have no experience about MAO, few questions too:
Does it feel like really smooth wet sandpaper?
What kind of “patina” are we expecting and how does little dings and scratches look on it?
I might get one as my main edc, but not sure about this. White body, 4000k and orange auxes could do it. Cool white and blue auxes would also look beautiful. Just too many good combinations.

I didn’t even see that part…. hope its ok lol. I just saw MAO available now in the title, didn’t know of flaws at that point. Maybe it refers to the ‘Wurkkos’ brand name which appears from the photo’s not to have gone on very well.

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Ordered of course. From AliExpress though. Somehow shipping from wurkkos store is much slower than from AliExpress, for me at least.

My 3rd: MAO white with ice blue and 6k. Like others, I feel this is a good combination. Cool

For sure will have the 4th, hopefully the brass one.

I will be interested in buying the 5th one, if Wurkkos comes up with a single emitter and more throwy one with a deeper carry clip, in Ti.

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Wurkkos wrote:
TMaxxJJ wrote:
Nice, just managed to get one. I don’t usually like cool white, but thought I’d try these high CRI ones. Seeing as the light is white, I went for blue aux to complete the icy look! Should go well with my red 4000k one with red aux. Now just to wait for the brass version in 3000k with orange aux, Wurkkos?

Brass version will in 3000K

Will you also make aluminum versions with 3000K?

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G0OSE wrote:
MoreHiCRILumens wrote:
I have difficulties understand this:
“ignore the protection of the coating during the second machining process, some flashlights have some minor flaws, so selling MAO at a lower price”

Does that try to say that there is no extra coating of protective layer?

And because I have no experience about MAO, few questions too:
Does it feel like really smooth wet sandpaper?
What kind of “patina” are we expecting and how does little dings and scratches look on it?
I might get one as my main edc, but not sure about this. White body, 4000k and orange auxes could do it. Cool white and blue auxes would also look beautiful. Just too many good combinations.

I didn’t even see that part…. hope its ok lol. I just saw MAO available now in the title, didn’t know of flaws at that point. Maybe it refers to the ‘Wurkkos’ brand name which appears from the photo’s not to have gone on very well.


After anodization some parts get a second run in the mill (for example threads). If you are not careful the anodization might get damaged (clamping, coolant, chips). The white and rough anodization makes this even harder.

I expect MAO to be much thicker and deeper than normal anodization. But maybe the manufacturer hasn’t correctly parametrized the process.

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G0OSE wrote:
Thanks ordered a MAO Thumbs Up I intend to try to give it a Stormtrooper makeover…..

Gonna make it so that it doesn’t shine on what you’re aiming at? 🤡

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I see you are giving a 20% discount to Amazon users. Is it possible to get a similar discount for Aliexpress?

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I know there have been reports of frying the emitters with high discharge cells, but the TS10 is smoking on turbo with stock emitters and the included Wurkkos cell.

This might not fry the emitters immediately but can shorten their lifespan. If you have this light, go easy on turbo if your battery is fully charged.

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I turn Turbo off in Anduril.. I see no point to fast draining the battery and having output drop to 100 lumens within seconds.

look at this runtime graph, Turbo is a Lead Ballon

pic is a link to review

And I set a ceiling of 120/150.. = 250 lumens, which is sustainable, and more than enough for my Urban EDC needs.

Focusing on Turbo, misses the point of a little flashlight like the TS10.. Turbo is only for marketing comparisons. It is not for real world use.

Some people pay over $400 for an HDS w a max output of 200 Lumens. A TS10 can do that for about $25, plus it has Aux lights Wink Party

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The video shows the bezel is off. The led board is probably off from the heat sink, causing this?

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Adair21 wrote:

I know there have been reports of frying the emitters with high discharge cells, but the TS10 is smoking on turbo with stock emitters and the included Wurkkos cell.

This might not fry the emitters immediately but can shorten their lifespan. If you have this light, go easy on turbo if your battery is fully charged.

There may also be contamination on the LEDs, always clean with isopropyl alcohol after mounting/soldering. In addition, the optics press the MCPCB down to the heatsink, so it should be run at low level at most without it.

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Adair21 wrote:

I know there have been reports of frying the emitters with high discharge cells, but the TS10 is smoking on turbo with stock emitters and the included Wurkkos cell.

This might not fry the emitters immediately but can shorten their lifespan. If you have this light, go easy on turbo if your battery is fully charged.

Made this same discovery yesterday and shared it on a flashlight Discord channel, but didn’t want to go public before doing further experimenting.

Without bezel and TIR there’s nothing applying pressure on the MCPCB, thus very little of the heat is transmitted to the flashlight body.

From my additional tests, applying pressure on only one point on the MCPCB, no major smoking happens. The TIR applies pressure evenly on three points, so I wouldn’t expect there to be issues when it’s properly installed.

Unfortunately couldn’t do more tests, as the toothpick I used for applying pressure slipped, and flying went one of the emitters. LOL
Time to make a tint mix now with the 6000K emitters I ordered alongside the TS10..

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lotari wrote:
Unfortunately couldn’t do more tests, as the toothpick I used for applying pressure slipped, and “flying went one of the emitters”
Thanks for taking a hit for the sake of furthering our collective understanding.

On the light side.

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lotari wrote:
Without bezel and TIR there’s nothing applying pressure on the MCPCB, thus very little of the heat is transmitted to the flashlight body.

From my additional tests, applying pressure on only one point on the MCPCB, no major smoking happens. The TIR applies pressure evenly on three points, so I wouldn’t expect there to be issues when it’s properly installed.

Agree!

Sorry to see the Magic Smoke Escaping from you light.

imo, Turbo is only for marketing. For actual use, I disable Turbo on my TS10, and lower the ceiling 40 Clicks

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(for science) I’ve been using my first batch TS10 with H10 cells a lot over the last couple months and putting it in turbo with temp set to 50°, forcing a turbo bump one or two times after it starts to step down. No issues at all. This is not my favorite light and for sure the TS10 is worthy of some criticism, but it seems pretty sound and reliable so far. Points already mentioned about clamping pressure in the smoking video above…I mean this is really to be expected isn’t it? Removing that clamp pressure from the optic/bezel allows for less heat transfer even if the mcpcb doesn’t lift up from the shelf visibly. What’s smoking? Is it actually the emitters or is it thermal paste or flux residue or the surface of the mcpcb? Any bits of broken glue get in there, or solvent residue, or something else? Button it back up and there’s no problem, eh, probably?

I don’t understand the trend lately with people calling out lights for faults that do not exist. Initially we had two claims here with the TS10, one of which proved to be invalid (so to speak) and the other was a minor/expected failure of an emitter which can happen with any of them, and has not-infrequently in the past with a variety of emitters and light manufacturers. Not many months ago a couple of experts were calling out Hank for shipping the wrong emitter temp in their lights. Much ado was made and money out of Hank’s pocket to send free replacements, and it turned out they just didn’t know important details about light/physics/emitters/flashlights and Hank had not made an error at all. Maybe it would be a little better if people asked rather than exclaiming there are problems? This is a pita for our manufacturers and stuff like this seems to have strained some of the relationships the community worked to develop.

I think Wurkkos has a good thing going and hopefully they are picking up on the ways to improve in a few areas, but it seems like they’re catching some flak they (the products) do not deserve, too.

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lotari wrote:
Adair21 wrote:

I know there have been reports of frying the emitters with high discharge cells, but the TS10 is smoking on turbo with stock emitters and the included Wurkkos cell.

This might not fry the emitters immediately but can shorten their lifespan. If you have this light, go easy on turbo if your battery is fully charged.

Made this same discovery yesterday and shared it on a flashlight Discord channel, but didn’t want to go public before doing further experimenting.

Without bezel and TIR there’s nothing applying pressure on the MCPCB, thus very little of the heat is transmitted to the flashlight body.

From my additional tests, applying pressure on only one point on the MCPCB, no major smoking happens. The TIR applies pressure evenly on three points, so I wouldn’t expect there to be issues when it’s properly installed.

Unfortunately couldn’t do more tests, as the toothpick I used for applying pressure slipped, and flying went one of the emitters. LOL
Time to make a tint mix now with the 6000K emitters I ordered alongside the TS10..

I must say i do not think this is a good approach. Your initial post was incomplete and may have caused some concern about possible faults with the TS10. Though visible, you did not state you unscrewed the bezel, what consequences this has (loose pcb) and what results this may have on (thermal) performance.
It should be unsurprising to anyone that a flashlight does not function as it is supposed to when (partially) disassembled.
My issue with this lies in the (obvious) implication of your post(s) here and in other forums, which was that this is a ts10 issue/fault, not something due to a (partial) disassembly. I think you should have investigated a bit more before your very first post on this topic or added a very clear disclaimer to prevent the conclusion “ts10 smokes at turbo and is bad/faulty” – which many have drawn, judging by comments made.

That said, feel free to experiment. I do like these kinds of experiments and i am happy you try these kinds of things. It is for sure interesting to see the impact of a slightly loose pcb on thermal performance and i would be interested in learning more. However please be a bit more cautious with further posts, especially with the (often implied) conclusions.

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Correllux wrote:
(for science) I’ve been using my first batch TS10 with H10 cells a lot over the last couple months and putting it in turbo with temp set to 50°, forcing a turbo bump one or two times after it starts to step down. No issues at all. This is not my favorite light and for sure the TS10 is worthy of some criticism, but it seems pretty sound and reliable so far. Points already mentioned about clamping pressure in the smoking video above…I mean this is really to be expected isn’t it? Removing that clamp pressure from the optic/bezel allows for less heat transfer even if the mcpcb doesn’t lift up from the shelf visibly. What’s smoking? Is it actually the emitters or is it thermal paste or flux residue or the surface of the mcpcb? Any bits of broken glue get in there, or solvent residue, or something else? Button it back up and there’s no problem, eh, probably?

I don’t understand the trend lately with people calling out lights for faults that do not exist. Initially we had two claims here with the TS10, one of which proved to be invalid (so to speak) and the other was a minor/expected failure of an emitter which can happen with any of them, and has not-infrequently in the past with a variety of emitters and light manufacturers. Not many months ago a couple of experts were calling out Hank for shipping the wrong emitter temp in their lights. Much ado was made and money out of Hank’s pocket to send free replacements, and it turned out they just didn’t know important details about light/physics/emitters/flashlights and Hank had not made an error at all. Maybe it would be a little better if people asked rather than exclaiming there are problems? This is a pita for our manufacturers and stuff like this seems to have strained some of the relationships the community worked to develop.

I think Wurkkos has a good thing going and hopefully they are picking up on the ways to improve in a few areas, but it seems like they’re catching some flak they (the products) do not deserve, too.

Especially when it is posted on Reddit where a lot of people will take it as face value, with Wurkkos losing potential sales due to an issue that may not exist.
Posting on BLF is a bit different, less trafic and more suitable for discussion, a couple of hours later and somebody already mentioned a possible cause and the potential issue can be further tested and the results/discussion have the same visibility as the comment mentioning the issue, which is not the case with reddit, Iotari is even down voted there for whatever obscure reason.

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