Do you roast your own coffee beans?

72 posts / 0 new
Last post
LumenMax
LumenMax's picture
Offline
Last seen: 7 hours 28 min ago
Joined: 08/21/2018 - 10:50
Posts: 459
Location: NY

Sk9 wrote:
They say oxidation is the enemy of freshness. Chemical reactions slow down with lower temp. The reasons not to freeze never made sense to me. I've tried freezing, it works.

 

Totally agree. Freezing works. Fruits & vegetables, on the other hand, would be a no, unless they're going to be made into smoothies/soups. Freezing them changes the texture Smile

brad
brad's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 12 min ago
Joined: 12/04/2012 - 02:07
Posts: 2476
Location: USA

I don’t know the answer to freezing, but I do know that a lot of the negative mentions of it in articles don’t make clear that they are talking about putting it back and forth in the freezer as you use it.

I freeze it in the unopened original package plus a freezer bag to prevent punctures, until it is time to start using it, then I keep it in a tight jar, and I don’t know why that would be worse than leaving it on the shelf for many months or a year.

Not what we have but what we enjoy, constitutes our abundance.

ChrisGarrett
ChrisGarrett's picture
Offline
Last seen: 19 min 6 sec ago
Joined: 02/12/2014 - 22:03
Posts: 1152
Location: Miami, Florida
brad
brad's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 12 min ago
Joined: 12/04/2012 - 02:07
Posts: 2476
Location: USA

ChrisGarrett wrote:
https://coffeeaffection.com/coffee-in-freezer/

Chris

That article describes what I do, it starts with the advice against storing the coffee in the freezer between uses and then way down in the article it points out that freezing the unopened bulk purchase is fine in the freezer until use (time before use counts though).

Not what we have but what we enjoy, constitutes our abundance.

turkeydance
turkeydance's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 hours 16 min ago
Joined: 02/20/2020 - 18:53
Posts: 1609

thanks for all the replies.

regarding freezing intact
and not-ground BEANS
this is what i have so far:

1. freezing is fine IF they are frozen ONCE and thawed ONCE.
2. freezing is fine IF the beans are protected in some way.
3. freezing is fine IF taste is not the overriding concern.

LowLumen
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 35 min ago
Joined: 09/01/2012 - 21:15
Posts: 427
Location: Sierra Foothills, CA

The bottom line is that lower temperatures do slow the staling process. Coffee also has incredible ability to absorb odors so I don’t mess around with any bag containers. I use only sealed mason jars for storage.

I generally roast every 7-10 days so I don’t worry about temperature and aging. But I do notice a difference between summer and winter during those 7-10 days! I have frozen beans (in sealed mason jars) if I will be out of town and need a stash to last a few days when I get home. It’s better than leaving for week(s) at room temperature.

turkeydance
turkeydance's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 hours 16 min ago
Joined: 02/20/2020 - 18:53
Posts: 1609

regarding unroasted and intact coffee beans,
how does the staling process effect longevity?

ChrisGarrett
ChrisGarrett's picture
Offline
Last seen: 19 min 6 sec ago
Joined: 02/12/2014 - 22:03
Posts: 1152
Location: Miami, Florida
turkeydance wrote:
regarding unroasted and intact coffee beans, how does the staling process effect longevity?

IMO 18+ year green bean roasting experience, I’ve noticed that at about 14 months, in sealed poly bags, beans started to turn a ‘straw color.’ But who knows how long that they were sitting at the merchant?

They still roasted fine, but one has to do a lot of experimentation to truly determine any degradation and I’m not that hardcore.

Chris

LowLumen
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 35 min ago
Joined: 09/01/2012 - 21:15
Posts: 427
Location: Sierra Foothills, CA

The staling chemistry process for green vs roasted is entirely different. To be conservative I would say the green beans will last at least a year… but there are exceptions; mostly dry process beans can fade in their more subtle flavor character.

Roasted beans have expanded by 50-70% in volume, opening the cell structure to oxidizing and the oils are more exposed as well.

Roasting coffee is nothing less than a complete transformation of the bean. To demonstrate this, try grinding and brewing coffee with green beans! Sick

turkeydance
turkeydance's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 hours 16 min ago
Joined: 02/20/2020 - 18:53
Posts: 1609

thanks.

learning from experts
is my preferred way.

ok.
three scenerios:

1. green coffee beans which have been frozen for at least 6 months. then thawed. roasted. ground. brewed. what would you expect to be the outcome?
2. roasted beans frozen for 6 months. thawed. ground……etc.
3. ground beans…..etc.

really, just curious.
although i do not drink coffee,
friends and relatives do and i would
like to have something they would like
to drink when they arrive unannounced.
easy as possible and flavorable as necessary.

ChrisGarrett
ChrisGarrett's picture
Offline
Last seen: 19 min 6 sec ago
Joined: 02/12/2014 - 22:03
Posts: 1152
Location: Miami, Florida

turkeydance wrote:
thanks.

learning from experts
is my preferred way.

ok.
three scenerios:

1. green coffee beans which have been frozen for at least 6 months. then thawed. roasted. ground. brewed. what would you expect to be the outcome?
2. roasted beans frozen for 6 months. thawed. ground……etc.
3. ground beans…..etc.

really, just curious.
although i do not drink coffee,
friends and relatives do and i would
like to have something they would like
to drink when they arrive unannounced.
easy as possible and flavorable as necessary.

We can talk about the voodoo behind home roasting, but if you do roast, do a batch, wait 24-36 hours in a sealed glass jar and then grind what you might prepare for over 1-2 days and just repeat the process until you’re out of roasted coffee, starting again.

It’s ‘science,’ but it’s not rocket science,’

Chris

turkeydance
turkeydance's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 hours 16 min ago
Joined: 02/20/2020 - 18:53
Posts: 1609

so….
roast and seal, and
then wait how long
before grinding?

i might roast/seal Day One
then Day 44, company comes.

yes, i realize this gets kind of picky,
but your posts have educated me more
than Wikipedia/Youtube/etc.

ChrisGarrett
ChrisGarrett's picture
Offline
Last seen: 19 min 6 sec ago
Joined: 02/12/2014 - 22:03
Posts: 1152
Location: Miami, Florida

turkeydance wrote:
so….
roast and seal, and
then wait how long
before grinding?

i might roast/seal Day One
then Day 44, company comes.

yes, i realize this gets kind of picky,
but your posts have educated me more
than Wikipedia/Youtube/etc.

If they don’t know any better, than 44 days is what it is

Too long, IMO.

Chris

lumenzilla
lumenzilla's picture
Offline
Last seen: 18 hours 12 min ago
Joined: 06/09/2015 - 04:18
Posts: 1045
Location: Java

I used to roast my own coffee every once a week using frying pan, until family take my weekend time.

It started at 2012 when I got 1 kg green bean from a quiz.

It was wonderful experience and I will definitely do that again if any chance (time!) is given. My dream is to buy a micro coffee roaster.

For now, I buy small packs of roasted beans from local roasteries every 2 or 4 weeks.

flashburn
Offline
Last seen: 3 days 12 hours ago
Joined: 09/21/2020 - 14:18
Posts: 116

COFFEE
Less a science than a religion for most.
But actually is is SCIENCE.
And the facts just say, the coffee you like is the good coffee.
I roast coffee beans now and then, when I’m in Laos. And definitely this is the best coffee in the world, for me, but that does not mean everybody else makes it wrong.
As said, the coffe you like is the good coffe.
No religion
No myth
No pricy shittery (cat shite coffee, forgot it’s name)
No pricy stuff sold by a hyperactive playing Jobs in a cringey manner

Have a good cup and enjoy*.*

flashburn
Offline
Last seen: 3 days 12 hours ago
Joined: 09/21/2020 - 14:18
Posts: 116

Has one of you tried the coffee cherries as they come from the bush?
The sweet juiciness?
The bean inside, that splits in two, an incredibly complex taste?
You can actually make a drink from this!
People use it’s effects for medicine since beginning of time.
If I read here

LowLumen wrote:
Roasting coffee is nothing less than a complete transformation of the bean. To demonstrate this, try grinding and brewing coffee with green beans! Sick

then I must think that there is something wrong with the green beans you can buy in those sealed plastic bags.
xevious
xevious's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 hours 10 min ago
Joined: 02/27/2013 - 21:55
Posts: 3145
Location: Hoboken, NJ USA

flashburn wrote:
COFFEE
Less a science than a religion for most.
But actually is is SCIENCE.
And the facts just say, the coffee you like is the good coffee.
I roast coffee beans now and then, when I’m in Laos. And definitely this is the best coffee in the world, for me, but that does not mean everybody else makes it wrong.
As said, the coffe you like is the good coffe.
No religion
No myth
No pricy shittery (cat shite coffee, forgot it’s name)
No pricy stuff sold by a hyperactive playing Jobs in a cringey manner

Have a good cup and enjoy*.*

Well that’s true. This whole track wasn’t to delegitimize existing coffee as its presented, but merely to expand awareness. I am still enjoying my “dead coffee,” but yeah… just a tinge bit less knowing it could be much better than it is. And I am going to get into roasting my own coffee beans. Started reading reviews for green coffee beans on Amazon and it looks like there’s some good candidates. Now I just have to watch more videos on roasting with low cost methods that achieve the same as the pricer ones (but just less pizzaz and convenience).
xevious
xevious's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 hours 10 min ago
Joined: 02/27/2013 - 21:55
Posts: 3145
Location: Hoboken, NJ USA

flashburn wrote:
Has one of you tried the coffee cherries as they come from the bush? The sweet juiciness? The bean inside, that splits in two, an incredibly complex taste? You can actually make a drink from this!
People use it’s effects for medicine since beginning of time.
If I read here
LowLumen wrote:
Roasting coffee is nothing less than a complete transformation of the bean. To demonstrate this, try grinding and brewing coffee with green beans! Sick

then I must think that there is something wrong with the green beans you can buy in those sealed plastic bags.
I imagine it doesn’t taste much at all like coffee beans that have been roasted. But perhaps it’s still a good taste in its own right, or something you can acclimate to liking, like Kombucha.
kennybobby
kennybobby's picture
Offline
Last seen: 6 hours 36 min ago
Joined: 05/10/2017 - 09:13
Posts: 1265
Location: huntspatch, alabama

Do you ever find that sometimes 1 cup is just not enough, but 2 is too much? i would like to cut back a little bit so i don’t have to roast so many beans,

Now i used to think that i was cool,
drivin' around on fossil fuel,
until i saw what i was doin',
was drivin' down the road to ruin. --JT

turkeydance
turkeydance's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 hours 16 min ago
Joined: 02/20/2020 - 18:53
Posts: 1609

thanks, folks.

here is what i will try:

1. buy roasted and ground beans and then seal them in a glass Mason jar at room temperature.
2. buy roasted/ground//Mason/and freeze.
3. buy Maxwell House in the can.

when visitors arrive, they will have their choice.
i do not expect any coffee drinkers this month.

Lightbringer
Lightbringer's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 29 min ago
Joined: 08/30/2016 - 14:12
Posts: 17332
Location: nyc

Blecch. Mum used to get MH, and I always hated making/having coffee there. It was like coffee-scented sawdust.

09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

flashburn
Offline
Last seen: 3 days 12 hours ago
Joined: 09/21/2020 - 14:18
Posts: 116

When it has to be a quick cup of good coffee, I make Bei & Nannini Miscela Colomba in a manually tuned Bialetti.

Some of the religious fanatics my now scream heresy, but I like it like that.

All the house smells like coffee, the cup has a wonderful profumo, and the not too hot black juice of life is pure salaciousness.

Take out religion, add sensuality and sensibility.

ChrisGarrett
ChrisGarrett's picture
Offline
Last seen: 19 min 6 sec ago
Joined: 02/12/2014 - 22:03
Posts: 1152
Location: Miami, Florida

flashburn wrote:
When it has to be a quick cup of good coffee, I make Bei & Nannini Miscela Colomba in a manually tuned Bialetti.

Some of the religious fanatics my now scream heresy, but I like it like that.

All the house smells like coffee, the cup has a wonderful profumo, and the not too hot black juice of life is pure salaciousness.

Take out religion, add sensuality and sensibility.

LOL!

It’s a cup of caffeinated liquid, it’s not a blow up doll!

I try not to fret too much, but I do have a minor routine that I follow.

Chris

flashburn
Offline
Last seen: 3 days 12 hours ago
Joined: 09/21/2020 - 14:18
Posts: 116

Blow up doll? What?

ROTFL

No. I’m just a coffee addict.

turkeydance
turkeydance's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 hours 16 min ago
Joined: 02/20/2020 - 18:53
Posts: 1609

i agree with flashburn:
“…the cup has a wonderful profumo…”

actually, i like the smell of brewed coffee
and pipe tobacco, but i do not smoke, either.

raccoon city
raccoon city's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 5 min ago
Joined: 10/06/2010 - 02:35
Posts: 19087
Location: Palm Desert CA ~ West Coast is the best coast

I love the smell of coffee!  :LOVE:

I don't like the taste of coffee, but I do love the taste of cappuccino.

I don't like all the caffeine of cappuccino, but the flavor is amazing.  :THUMBS-UP:

Lightbringer
Lightbringer's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 29 min ago
Joined: 08/30/2016 - 14:12
Posts: 17332
Location: nyc

Maybe ‘cause I haven’t had my coffee yet, but that made me very… confused.

09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

raccoon city
raccoon city's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 5 min ago
Joined: 10/06/2010 - 02:35
Posts: 19087
Location: Palm Desert CA ~ West Coast is the best coast

Lightbringer wrote:

Maybe 'cause I haven't had my coffee yet, but that made me very... confused.

My post?

It's simple.

I like the smell of coffee, but I don't like the taste of coffee.  :D

Hoop
Hoop's picture
Online
Last seen: 9 sec ago
Joined: 12/20/2012 - 05:33
Posts: 1179
Location: Spokane, WA

There isn’t one taste of coffee. There’s coffee that tastes like cherries, even blueberries, for instance. (anaerobic process)

raccoon city
raccoon city's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 5 min ago
Joined: 10/06/2010 - 02:35
Posts: 19087
Location: Palm Desert CA ~ West Coast is the best coast

To clarify, I have found that every type of coffee that I have tasted has been repulsive.

Meanwhile, most cappuccino I have tried has been absolutely delicious.

In other words, I have tasted enough types of coffee to know that it isn't for me, no matter how good is smells.

You can say that I haven't tasted every type of coffee on Earth, but I also haven't smelled every type of dog poop, yet I know that dog poop isn't for me either.

Pages