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What's The Best & Cheapest Flashlight ?

Hello , I’m trying to help a friend find and buy a decent , cheap flashlight with the following stats.

1—Uses the 18650 or 21700 cell size

2—Probably with Cool White Led (s)

3—If possible it has flood & throw.

4—The places to buy the suggested lights.

5—His price range is $30 USD and under.

**ATTN: He would like a USA seller and something with changeable batteries***

Basically something pretty good for someone who is just starting out in flashlights.

Thanks for your help.

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convoy s2+

eww but ok personal choice

I think the s2+ is a good compromise with the smooth reflector but you can get an orange peel one and see which one they like better. The OP reflector is floody-er.

Convoy store on ali express

Comes in around $20 range

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convoy s2+

eww but ok personal choice

I think the s2+ is a good compromise with the smooth reflector but you can get an orange peel one and see which one they like better. The OP reflector is floody-er.

Convoy store on ali express

Comes in around $20 range

I agree s2+ is a great choice.
Also, friends don’t let friends buy cool white.

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I also think the S2+ is a good choice, but it doesn't have USB-C charging, which would be a bit more beginner friendly. I have the Sofirn S11C (zoomie), which is cheap ($10-$15 depending on what discount Sofirn is offering at the time you buy it, including an 18650 battery). It's zoomable, USB-C chargeable, and has a high-CRI spectrum (LH351D), although it's neutral white (5000K). It's light, and compact, but it feels cheaper than the S2+, maybe because it's so light. It doesn't zoom so tight that it makes a great thrower, but it's not too bad. At that price, including a battery and built-in charging, I'd say it's hard to beat. But since your friend's budget is higher, you might go up to a Sofirn SC31 Pro (or SC31T), which is available in cool white, is a pretty good hybrid throw/flood type beam similar to the S2+, and is USB-C chargeable. It's closer to the $30 end of the budget, but unlike the S11C, Sofirn offers it with shipping from the US, if that matters. If you want the best tradeoff between cheap and good under $30, it's likely to be Convoy or Sofirn.

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Convoy C8+ with SST40 for flood+throw. Or pick up an M1 with LH351D 5700K. You could go with a Sofirn SP35 for around $35.

These are on Aliexpress or sofirn.com.

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I’ve given the Convoy S9 in the past to friends and family.

The internal charging means they never have to remove the battery. It’s a good size, has temp regulation, LV protection, and you can get high lumens (XM-L2) or high CRI (219B) versions. The ramping firmware is also somewhat basic and easy to learn. I just print the instructions and put it in the box in case they need it later.

It seems like a safe flashlight to give away as a gift and has the usual Convoy high quality.

I’d rather use my flashlight around the house than turn on the lights.

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"**ATTN: He would like a USA seller and something with changeable batteries***"

Sofirn (https://sofirnlight.com) ships some items from the US, but I'm not sure if that qualifies as a USA seller? Sofirn sells on Amazon as well (https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/993CBC25-2A09-4C75-8EE4-072BBF4C221D), but you'll pay a bit more.

 

Convoy is also a third party seller on Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/s?me=A1Y1CNUWR8NKE2), but it's slow shipping from China instead of Prime shipping from your local Amazon warehouse. However, the S2+ (https://www.amazon.com/LITNIT-S2-Temperature-Protection-GraySST40/dp/B09...) and S21A (https://www.amazon.com/LITNIT-Temperature-Protection-Flashlight-S21A-GRA...) are under $30 there. I have both, and recommend them. But they don't come with a battery or charger.

 

Another recommendation is the Wurkkos FC11 (https://www.amazon.com/Wurkkos-Flashlight-1300Lumen-Waterproof-Activitie...), currently on sale for $26.39 on Amazon, but only comes in warm white colors. For $33, they have the neutral white 5000K version.

 

The SC31 Pro I recommended above is currently $31.44 (https://www.amazon.com/Flashlight-Rechargeable-Powerful-Camping-Fishing/...), which appears to be the lowest priced 18650 flashlight Sofirn sells on Amazon right now. I think the Wurkkos FC11 is solid, though, if you want to be strict about keeping it under $30, it just doesn't have cool white. Also, check out some beam shots, because it's not really much of a thrower.

 

Most budget 18650/21700 flashlights will have interchangeable batteries, so that's no problem for anything that's been recommended so far. But buying spare 18650 batteries gets into a whole 'nother discussion...

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I like a C8+ as well also gifting a boruit D10 headlamp at about 12$ has always been a easy breezy light to giveaway. Usb rechargeable too. 

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If you made the mistake of wandering onto this web you soon have a lot less money in your wallet.

It all starts with one cheap flashlight deal.

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Sometimes ‘best, cheap’ can easily be mixed with ‘best value’ based on your budget. Anyone tried an SC18? It’s like the S11C, also from sofirn and costs within your range.

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Best would be lemax LX70
Cheapest would be on your phone

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Ohoh oh the nips are getting bigger

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It started out just wanting something better than my old phone.
Then I realised there was something even brighter
Oohoh the lights are getting bigger

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Look here at this US seller: https://mohrlumens.com/collections/flashlights

In addition to the available Convoy lights, the Sofirn SP31 V2 kit provides battery, charger and even beam with good throw and spill. I wrote a review if you'd like to get some info on it.

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Wurkkos fc11 4000k walmart online $24. I would never recommend a cool white light to anybody.

You can't compare the big flashlight in the sky to the little flashlight in your hand.

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Oli wrote:
I would never recommend a cool white light to anybody.

Any particular reason?
Personal preference shouldn’t roll over to others. If someone simply wants “light” from a torch, and they aren’t all hung up on high CRI – or even know about tints / bins etc – why not recommend cool white? In fact you may not literally be “recommending” it at all, as the perfect device may only come in cool white. I believe if a person asks for recommendations and know all about tints, then they actually know a lot more than they are letting on. Most people don’t even notice or care about tint, they just want light.

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Codec wrote:
Oli wrote:
I would never recommend a cool white light to anybody.

Any particular reason?
Personal preference shouldn’t roll over to others. If someone simply wants “light” from a torch, and they aren’t all hung up on high CRI – or even know about tints / bins etc – why not recommend cool white? In fact you may not literally be “recommending” it at all, as the perfect device may only come in cool white. I believe if a person asks for recommendations and know all about tints, then they actually know a lot more than they are letting on. Most people don’t even notice or care about tint, they just want light.

Neutral white, simple UI, built in charging.
No one comes back with complaints

The Journal of Alternative Facts

"It is critical that there is a credible academic source for the growing and important discipline of Alternative Facts. This field of study will just keep winning, and we knew that all the best people would want to be on board. There is a real risk in the world today that people might be getting their information about science from actual scientists."

 

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Codec wrote:
Oli wrote:
I would never recommend a cool white light to anybody.

Any particular reason?
Personal preference shouldn’t roll over to others. If someone simply wants “light” from a torch, and they aren’t all hung up on high CRI – or even know about tints / bins etc – why not recommend cool white? In fact you may not literally be “recommending” it at all, as the perfect device may only come in cool white. I believe if a person asks for recommendations and know all about tints, then they actually know a lot more than they are letting on. Most people don’t even notice or care about tint, they just want light.

So right. I have something like 100 plus lights. Most were purchased based just on lumens. Which, of course, means 6000 plus K. They are all perfectly fine for doing what most people do with a light, meaning light things up in the dark. In addition, they are the most efficient at doing it.

There are situations where lower CCT and tint perfection, as well as high CRI and RA are very important. But for a person getting a first decent light needing to make the dark light, it simply should not be the determining factor. Most of us have gotten to be CCT/CRI/tint snobs have done it over time and with lots of experience. That doesn’t mean that a first light should be discarded from consideration just because it does not meet our “connoisseur” expectations. In fact, probably most new users will be more impressed and quite happy with a high CCT light, than something that makes some of us perfectionists happy.
In response to the OP, your friend would likely be quite happy with any of the recommendations above in neutral to cool white.
I picked up a Csteboke (Sofirn) SC31T SE for a good price from Amazon (shipped from USA) with an 18650 battery and cable. LH351d sort of neutral white. I gave one to my neighbors in their 80s. Added a cheap wall wart for charging (I have dozens of them). They love it. Not a huge thrower, but a great beam for walking or around the house. I think it was under ~$25.

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Sofirn if25a has been around $30 lately, including the 21700 cell. Can get 4000k high CRI or 6500k cool white.

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Bort wrote:
Codec wrote:
Oli wrote:
I would never recommend a cool white light to anybody.

Any particular reason?
Personal preference shouldn’t roll over to others. If someone simply wants “light” from a torch, and they aren’t all hung up on high CRI – or even know about tints / bins etc – why not recommend cool white? In fact you may not literally be “recommending” it at all, as the perfect device may only come in cool white. I believe if a person asks for recommendations and know all about tints, then they actually know a lot more than they are letting on. Most people don’t even notice or care about tint, they just want light.

Neutral white, simple UI, built in charging.
No one comes back with complaints

Because they don’t care to complain, based on what I said in my post. Those of us who are knowledgeable about these particular things may “complain”, but 99.9999% of the population just don’t care or know about tints to know then can complain. I’m my 41 years, I’ve never met another person in to torches, and no one I know has ever turned one on and gone “damn, this tint is horrid” – because they just want light. We are not the average layperson… They are when it comes to lights.

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Codec wrote:
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Codec wrote:
Oli wrote:
I would never recommend a cool white light to anybody.

Any particular reason?
Personal preference shouldn’t roll over to others. If someone simply wants “light” from a torch, and they aren’t all hung up on high CRI – or even know about tints / bins etc – why not recommend cool white? In fact you may not literally be “recommending” it at all, as the perfect device may only come in cool white. I believe if a person asks for recommendations and know all about tints, then they actually know a lot more than they are letting on. Most people don’t even notice or care about tint, they just want light.

Neutral white, simple UI, built in charging.
No one comes back with complaints

Because they don’t care to complain, based on what I said in my post. Those of us who are knowledgeable about these particular things may “complain”, but 99.9999% of the population just don’t care or know about tints to know then can complain. I’m my 41 years, I’ve never met another person in to torches, and no one I know has ever turned one on and gone “damn, this tint is horrid” – because they just want light. We are not the average layperson… They are when it comes to lights.


Yet when i have shown people lights of different tints they prefer neutral to warm.
So be kind and get a first timer a neutral white.

The Journal of Alternative Facts

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Yet when i have shown people lights of different tints they prefer neutral to warm. So be kind and get a first timer a neutral white.

I have absolutely no doubt. Yet my girlfriend and 2 kids (19 and 12) prefer cool. The people you have shown had the choice and knowledge of the tints you showed them – because you showed them. They are quite entitled to choose what they prefer, when shown both options. Nothing is to say if you give a person neutral, they won’t like or prefer cool. It’s an assumption that is based on our own knowledge and bias. I love my Q8 tint – it’s absolutely perfect and I deem it rather stunning. However, I do like a nice (not ugly extreme blue) cool, in some applications. I hear what you are saying in that in general we all prefer neutral or warmer. However, when someone just wants light, they honestly don’t care.

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Bort, That's been my experience, too. However, I'd pick a cool white for distance lighting use. I didn't realize that until recently, when I set up some powerful throwers. 

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Yet when i have shown people lights of different tints they prefer neutral to warm. So be kind and get a first timer a neutral white.

I have absolutely no doubt. Yet my girlfriend and 2 kids (19 and 12) prefer cool. The people you have shown had the choice and knowledge of the tints you showed them – because you showed them. They are quite entitled to choose what they prefer, when shown both options. Nothing is to say if you give a person neutral, they won’t like or prefer cool. It’s an assumption that is based on our own knowledge and bias. I love my Q8 tint – it’s absolutely perfect and I deem it rather stunning. However, I do like a nice (not ugly extreme blue) cool, in some applications. I hear what you are saying in that in general we all prefer neutral or warmer. However, when someone just wants light, they honestly don’t care.


When you are choosing for someone else who does not have extensive experience there is no perfect undisputed choice, you should choose what is statistically the popular choice.

One could argue that an analyzing charger is the better choice than built in charging, there are many nerds out there.
Again for a newb you should keep it simple because it is the more statistically smarter choice.

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Again for a newb you should keep it simple because it is the more statistically smarter choice.

I don’t deem tint an issue that needs to be kept simple because it is anyway. In fact one could argue giving someone who doesn’t care for tint more options is the less simple approach. As for statistically smarter? For whom? People who don’t actually care what they use? That makes no sense.

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Again for a newb you should keep it simple because it is the more statistically smarter choice.

I don’t deem tint an issue that needs to be kept simple because it is anyway. In fact one could argue giving someone who doesn’t care for tint more options is the less simple approach. As for statistically smarter? For whom? People who don’t actually care what they use? That makes no sense.


For a newb a neutral tint with built in charging and a simple UI often works well.

You don’t appear to agree and you don’t like the explanation so no point going in circles.

The Journal of Alternative Facts

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Bort wrote:
Again for a newb you should keep it simple because it is the more statistically smarter choice.

I don’t deem tint an issue that needs to be kept simple because it is anyway. In fact one could argue giving someone who doesn’t care for tint more options is the less simple approach. As for statistically smarter? For whom? People who don’t actually care what they use? That makes no sense.


For a newb a neutral tint with built in charging and a simple UI often works well.

You don’t appear to agree and you don’t like the explanation so no point going in circles.

Certainly never argued with UI or charging.
As for tint, no I definitely don’t agree, as it is an assumption to think people who receive cool lights won’t like them. If people you recommend lights to are happy with them, that’s exactly what we want, but to definitively assert they’d be less happy with cool is subjective. And it’s not really an explanation, it’s one assuption based on bias knowledge and personal tastes. Also of note is I’m talking about people who don’t actually care, so they would not care what tint it is.
Anyhow, as you said, no point going in circles any longer, as you really aren’t getting my point.

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I guess I’d agree with the FC11. It’s a couple of years old but can still run with the best of them.

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If you decide on the FC11 there is currently a coupon code good at Amazon US. Sorry old code
There is a thread here with other discounts on their lights.

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Mandrake50 wrote:
If you decide on the FC11 there is currently a coupon code good at Amazon US. Sorry old code
There is a thread here with other discounts on their lights.

Is there not an updated FC11 coming out soon?

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Bort][quote=Codec][quote=Bort][quote=Codec wrote:
Oli wrote:
I would never recommend a cool white light to anybody.

Yet when i have shown people lights of different tints they prefer neutral to warm.
So be kind and get a first timer a neutral white.

—i agree
i have one warm white, 2700k i think , and it always annoys me
neutral white is still my favorite

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